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We refer to Michelle Fowler as Fowler, though we know she re-married. I know this isn't a good example as Fowler is her maiden name anyway, but Mitchell is Kathy's las known name. She wasn't known as Hills at the time of her exit. Also, as Ben's surname remains Mitchell it is possible that she kept the name Mitchell when she re-married so she had the same name as Ben... - Trampikey( talk)( contribs) 15:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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This page says it was Kathleen in 1985, but this page (from the same website) says it was Katherine in 1994... which one!? - Trampikey( talk)( contribs) 23:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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I don't think we should say her name is Kathy Sullivan, because she was never known but that name in the show, and we only found out from the BBC's website several years later. Anybody agree? Anemone Projectors 20:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I totally agree and am offended that someone has done this to such a soap icon. It's vandalism.
I still don't think we should be using the name Sullivan AP. She was known as Mitchell and Beale. People still call her Kathy Beale now but her last known name in the show was Mitchell and I think we should go by that and perhaps mention somewhere in the article she married a man with the surname Sullivan. There's no proof she even changed her name to Sullivan when she got married but we do know she became a Mitchell in 1995. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.187.106 ( talk) 13:24, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
On the subject of her name did we ever establish if she was Katherine or Kathleen. Gungadin reckons it was Kathleen but the article says Katherine and is backed up by a source. It's all very odd. I still don't think she should be called Sullivan either as she was never known by that name in the programme, people won't search for Kathy Sullivan but they will search for Kathy Beale or Kathy Mitchell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.0.182 ( talk) 04:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
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Shouldnt this article be known as Kathy Beale per WP:COMMON NAME? Bleaney ( talk) 18:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes it is, even now she is referred to as Beale rather than Mitchell 81.20.188.79 ( talk) 07:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Kathy Beale seems more popular 81.20.179.232 ( talk) 09:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Does that mean the page will be moved to Kathy Beale? 81.20.179.232 ( talk) 18:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
No, I think Kathy Beale is fine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.20.187.61 ( talk) 19:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Should be Beale, not Mitchell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercyme22 ( talk • contribs) 19:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Certainly Beale — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.20.181.107 ( talk) 14:57, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Maybe now is the time to move it to Beale, no objections? — Preceding
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Kathy should be classed as a present character as she has already reappeared in the show. Her lack of appearances at the moment are very much dictated by the slow-burning nature of her storyline. She is still a part of the cast. Ian and Jane have been out of it for weeks now but we still class them as current characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.222.223 ( talk) 18:10, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Surely the 'played by Gillian Taylforth between 1985-2000' part of the lead needs editing to reflect the character's 2015 return, she has already made a 2015 appearance so 'and then from 2015 onwards' would suffice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.190.78 ( talk) 17:52, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I won't revert again to avoid an edit war, but it's utterly ridiculous not to include him as her grandson. The decision to only include relatives characters have had meaningful relationships with was intended to avoid long lists of obscure connections (step-aunt by marriage etc.). It shouldn't be blindly applied when clearly not necessary from a practical point of view. Yes, as of today Kathy has yet to meet Bobby, but she's a confirmed permanent returnee - there is no reason to believe that she won't have a relationship with her grandson. If Kathy was still 'dead' and this was a former character page, there might be a case for not including him (though still a tenuous one in my view). But she isn't, and Bobby is the son of the character she shares her most significant relationship with. What are you achieving by delaying this until they share a scene? Smurfmeister ( talk) 16:17, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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'It was reported on 12 October 2016 that a storyline will occur where Kathy will attempt to murder Phil.' is it normal to include tabloid speculation/hyperbole in these articles? This wasn't a confirmed storyline by the BBC and it seems to me it was hyperbole stemming from Kathy opposing Ben being a donor. Anyone who thinks Kathy would actually kill Phil clearly doesn't know the character. Of course characters aren't always written in character - indeed many aspects of Kathy haven't been on the money this stint - but this one's a real stretch. I highly doubt they would go there and there's no confirmation they're going to.
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Regarding the debate over how and where to state characters full names, middle names etc. surely the prior format is the best way in which to do it?
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If middle names are now to be included in articles, they should also be stated at the beginning of the article where it will always be up to date with a characters present surname. Otherwise using Kathy as an example we would have to state Katherine Elizabeth Beale, Katherine Elizabeth Mitchell, Katherine Elizabeth Sullivan and Katherine Elizabeth Richards as they would all have been her name at one point. Whereas stating “Katherine” at the beginning of the article means her middle name is included whilst not having to list it separately for her and other characters?
This seems like the most logical solution. Tomski12 ( talk) 01:32, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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We refer to Michelle Fowler as Fowler, though we know she re-married. I know this isn't a good example as Fowler is her maiden name anyway, but Mitchell is Kathy's las known name. She wasn't known as Hills at the time of her exit. Also, as Ben's surname remains Mitchell it is possible that she kept the name Mitchell when she re-married so she had the same name as Ben... - Trampikey( talk)( contribs) 15:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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This page says it was Kathleen in 1985, but this page (from the same website) says it was Katherine in 1994... which one!? - Trampikey( talk)( contribs) 23:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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I don't think we should say her name is Kathy Sullivan, because she was never known but that name in the show, and we only found out from the BBC's website several years later. Anybody agree? Anemone Projectors 20:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I totally agree and am offended that someone has done this to such a soap icon. It's vandalism.
I still don't think we should be using the name Sullivan AP. She was known as Mitchell and Beale. People still call her Kathy Beale now but her last known name in the show was Mitchell and I think we should go by that and perhaps mention somewhere in the article she married a man with the surname Sullivan. There's no proof she even changed her name to Sullivan when she got married but we do know she became a Mitchell in 1995. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.187.106 ( talk) 13:24, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
On the subject of her name did we ever establish if she was Katherine or Kathleen. Gungadin reckons it was Kathleen but the article says Katherine and is backed up by a source. It's all very odd. I still don't think she should be called Sullivan either as she was never known by that name in the programme, people won't search for Kathy Sullivan but they will search for Kathy Beale or Kathy Mitchell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.0.182 ( talk) 04:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
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Shouldnt this article be known as Kathy Beale per WP:COMMON NAME? Bleaney ( talk) 18:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes it is, even now she is referred to as Beale rather than Mitchell 81.20.188.79 ( talk) 07:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Kathy Beale seems more popular 81.20.179.232 ( talk) 09:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Does that mean the page will be moved to Kathy Beale? 81.20.179.232 ( talk) 18:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
No, I think Kathy Beale is fine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.20.187.61 ( talk) 19:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Should be Beale, not Mitchell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercyme22 ( talk • contribs) 19:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Certainly Beale — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.20.181.107 ( talk) 14:57, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Maybe now is the time to move it to Beale, no objections? — Preceding
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Kathy should be classed as a present character as she has already reappeared in the show. Her lack of appearances at the moment are very much dictated by the slow-burning nature of her storyline. She is still a part of the cast. Ian and Jane have been out of it for weeks now but we still class them as current characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.222.223 ( talk) 18:10, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Surely the 'played by Gillian Taylforth between 1985-2000' part of the lead needs editing to reflect the character's 2015 return, she has already made a 2015 appearance so 'and then from 2015 onwards' would suffice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.190.78 ( talk) 17:52, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I won't revert again to avoid an edit war, but it's utterly ridiculous not to include him as her grandson. The decision to only include relatives characters have had meaningful relationships with was intended to avoid long lists of obscure connections (step-aunt by marriage etc.). It shouldn't be blindly applied when clearly not necessary from a practical point of view. Yes, as of today Kathy has yet to meet Bobby, but she's a confirmed permanent returnee - there is no reason to believe that she won't have a relationship with her grandson. If Kathy was still 'dead' and this was a former character page, there might be a case for not including him (though still a tenuous one in my view). But she isn't, and Bobby is the son of the character she shares her most significant relationship with. What are you achieving by delaying this until they share a scene? Smurfmeister ( talk) 16:17, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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Regarding the debate over how and where to state characters full names, middle names etc. surely the prior format is the best way in which to do it?
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If middle names are now to be included in articles, they should also be stated at the beginning of the article where it will always be up to date with a characters present surname. Otherwise using Kathy as an example we would have to state Katherine Elizabeth Beale, Katherine Elizabeth Mitchell, Katherine Elizabeth Sullivan and Katherine Elizabeth Richards as they would all have been her name at one point. Whereas stating “Katherine” at the beginning of the article means her middle name is included whilst not having to list it separately for her and other characters?
This seems like the most logical solution. Tomski12 ( talk) 01:32, 2 November 2021 (UTC)