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Support a (very) common name. Also Mobile readers would benefit from a portrait.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 21:56, 4 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Support (saw note at roots music page) It's awkward, sounding like putting information into a title. But logically it makes sense and is IMO is the best course of action. North8000 (
talk) 23:52, 4 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Yes I would say that's a good idea.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 14:57, 6 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Yes, good idea. Leave redirects at the "deleted" ones. North8000 (
talk) 15:45, 6 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Disagree on some, agree on others. 1 of the Kates is a Kathleen, 1 Katie is just a Katie, one of them is a horse so it's not short for anything. It would also add up to quite a long dab. Perhaps merge Catherine Lee and Katherine Lee, and Kate and Katie together, and I wouldn't support merging the Katherine Leigh page - it would be quite lengthy but also many more articles on these common names will be developed. All have enough entries to justify their own page.
Boleyn (
talk) 16:00, 6 September 2017 (UTC)reply
I created a draft at
User:No such user/Catherine Lee, putting two Leighs at "See also"; I don't think it's too lengthy, having a dozen entries. I don't think we need
Katherine Leigh (disambiguation) – it's a TWODABS where the other person is actually Kathrin, so
Katherine Leigh can be redirected to
Katie Leigh. If a searcher is uncertain about the exact spelling of a person's name, it's much more convenient to have all similar entries at hand than to navigate among several dab pages.
No such user (
talk) 08:43, 7 September 2017 (UTC)reply
I tend to lean in favor of combining all variations on a given name under the same surname. Since Wikipedia's main article on the name in all its forms is at
Katherine and the article
Kate (given name) that article's Kate infobox lists numerous variants states, "Kate is a feminine given name and nickname. It is a short form of multiple feminine names, most notably Katherine but also Caitlin and others", I would support merging Katherine, Catherine, Kate and Katie Lee under the
Katherine Lee (no primary topic) disambiguation page. Hatnotes would be added where needed.
I also agree with the proposal to eliminate the
Katherine Leigh dab and redirect
Katherine Leigh to
Katie Leigh, who is the only one also named "Katherine Leigh". A "See also" at the bottom of the
Katherine Lee dab page would note those named "Leigh" who, because of the different surname spelling, should not be commingled with the dab page's "Lee" entries. Usually there are separate dab pages for Brown / Browne, Green / Greene, Reed / Reid / Read, etc. However, adherence to such a guideline, if it even exists, is only sporadic, as witness the
Phil Reid dab page which combines all three variants.
—Roman Spinner(talk)(contribs) 11:42, 7 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment I'm not well informed enough about Wikipedia policy nowadays to have a clear opinion, but wanted to note that insofar as the Kate Lee on this page has any importance it's more for her activities as a folksong collector. That was why I created the stub; and I would expect that if the page is ever expanded it would have more on this subject. Perhaps, then, Kate Lee (folk song collector) might be a possibility.
N p holmes (
talk) 13:59, 9 September 2017 (UTC)reply
If consensus develops for yet another alternative form,
Kate Lee (folk song collector), as proposed above, I would be equally willing to accept that form. However, since, in addition to being a collector, the English Kate Lee was a singer, it would still seem appropriate to create the
Kate Lee (English singer) redirect, analogous to the American Kate Lee whose parenthetical qualifier has not been suggested as anything other than
Kate Lee (American singer).
—Roman Spinner(talk)(contribs) 03:02, 12 September 2017 (UTC)reply
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Support a (very) common name. Also Mobile readers would benefit from a portrait.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 21:56, 4 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Support (saw note at roots music page) It's awkward, sounding like putting information into a title. But logically it makes sense and is IMO is the best course of action. North8000 (
talk) 23:52, 4 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Yes I would say that's a good idea.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 14:57, 6 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Yes, good idea. Leave redirects at the "deleted" ones. North8000 (
talk) 15:45, 6 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Disagree on some, agree on others. 1 of the Kates is a Kathleen, 1 Katie is just a Katie, one of them is a horse so it's not short for anything. It would also add up to quite a long dab. Perhaps merge Catherine Lee and Katherine Lee, and Kate and Katie together, and I wouldn't support merging the Katherine Leigh page - it would be quite lengthy but also many more articles on these common names will be developed. All have enough entries to justify their own page.
Boleyn (
talk) 16:00, 6 September 2017 (UTC)reply
I created a draft at
User:No such user/Catherine Lee, putting two Leighs at "See also"; I don't think it's too lengthy, having a dozen entries. I don't think we need
Katherine Leigh (disambiguation) – it's a TWODABS where the other person is actually Kathrin, so
Katherine Leigh can be redirected to
Katie Leigh. If a searcher is uncertain about the exact spelling of a person's name, it's much more convenient to have all similar entries at hand than to navigate among several dab pages.
No such user (
talk) 08:43, 7 September 2017 (UTC)reply
I tend to lean in favor of combining all variations on a given name under the same surname. Since Wikipedia's main article on the name in all its forms is at
Katherine and the article
Kate (given name) that article's Kate infobox lists numerous variants states, "Kate is a feminine given name and nickname. It is a short form of multiple feminine names, most notably Katherine but also Caitlin and others", I would support merging Katherine, Catherine, Kate and Katie Lee under the
Katherine Lee (no primary topic) disambiguation page. Hatnotes would be added where needed.
I also agree with the proposal to eliminate the
Katherine Leigh dab and redirect
Katherine Leigh to
Katie Leigh, who is the only one also named "Katherine Leigh". A "See also" at the bottom of the
Katherine Lee dab page would note those named "Leigh" who, because of the different surname spelling, should not be commingled with the dab page's "Lee" entries. Usually there are separate dab pages for Brown / Browne, Green / Greene, Reed / Reid / Read, etc. However, adherence to such a guideline, if it even exists, is only sporadic, as witness the
Phil Reid dab page which combines all three variants.
—Roman Spinner(talk)(contribs) 11:42, 7 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment I'm not well informed enough about Wikipedia policy nowadays to have a clear opinion, but wanted to note that insofar as the Kate Lee on this page has any importance it's more for her activities as a folksong collector. That was why I created the stub; and I would expect that if the page is ever expanded it would have more on this subject. Perhaps, then, Kate Lee (folk song collector) might be a possibility.
N p holmes (
talk) 13:59, 9 September 2017 (UTC)reply
If consensus develops for yet another alternative form,
Kate Lee (folk song collector), as proposed above, I would be equally willing to accept that form. However, since, in addition to being a collector, the English Kate Lee was a singer, it would still seem appropriate to create the
Kate Lee (English singer) redirect, analogous to the American Kate Lee whose parenthetical qualifier has not been suggested as anything other than
Kate Lee (American singer).
—Roman Spinner(talk)(contribs) 03:02, 12 September 2017 (UTC)reply
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