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As i leave the article after major revision, this section shows no references. I have relied entirely on inspection of our tables of winners (and finalists for the Caldecott). Although the tables are sortable, that work is errorprone, so may benefit from another editor or two. -- P64 ( talk) 19:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
As i leave the article after major revision in the last few days, there is a four-column sortable wikitable (my design and markup, but nearly the same as the Carnegie table) with incomplete fourth column "distinct Author".
em-dash (—) indicates i have confirmed a single author-illustrator.
blank indicates i have not checked. --
P64 (
talk) 19:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
As i leave the article after major revision in the last few days, there are some mentions of the "school year" in relation to the publication year that defines award eligibility, September to August.
I wonder how long the Sep to Aug publication year has been in effect. It's a great misfit for casual references to the "preceding year" or the "year following publication" (by me, previous editors, and CILIP).
The "50th Anniversary Top Ten" relies on such casual reference, in effect, if i recall correctly. Some parenthetical dates may not be publication dates, but off by one, if a publication year different from the calendar year was used before 2006. -- P64 ( talk) 19:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Are the winners consistently excluded from the shortlists here? My spot check shows winners excluded for Greenaway, included for Carnegie Medal in Literature#Shortlists, which is not best and needs explanation in the shortlist preface anyway.
At the top i have marked this section {{ incomplete list}} and {{ citation needed}}. We need a source for shortlists back to 2000. Perhaps there was (and is at Internet Archive) a single online source for 2000 to 200x, used without reference when the page was created. At CILIP i quickly find only the current 2012 and Recent 2011 shortlists.
If 1995 was the first public shortlist, we should explain that --both in the lead and at 1995 in the list, I think.
Winners may deserve some highlight in the shortlists, if/when they are included.
Perhaps the shortlists should be used to provide more information at least for winners, as a start? For 1995 to 1998 we show {Illustrator, Title (Publisher)}, not only Illustrator, Title. At least the Writer should be consistently identified where distinct from the illustrator. -- P64 ( talk) 19:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
In the code (visible only in edit mode) for all annual listings --shortlists or Medalist plus commendations-- the string <!---->
indicates that data entry {Illustrator, Title (Publisher), Author} is complete and wikilinks have been checked. At the moment, "Author" may be the displayed symbol '@', which means written by the illustrator.
When I finish this stint (late June), absence of the code will signify missing data or conflicting data about the publisher or author (because I have entered every Illustrator, Title, and checked every wikilink).
(to be corrected confirmed or clarified after this stint) -- P64 ( talk) 21:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
This week I have added listings (1955 to 1994) or annotations (1995 to 2002) for all commendations known to me. Except one 1988 special commendation the source is CCSU library [ref name=ccsu]. There were precisely 100 such commendations, iicc: the one special, 31 Highly Commended (1974 to 2002), and 68 Commended (1959 to 2002). The latter include "Honor" rather than "Commended" designations from 1968 to 1969 or 1970, where two sources differ.
Annually 1959-2002 there were as few as zero and as many as six commendations of all kinds, but either two or three in 32 of those 44 years. Because four illustrators won Medals for two works (from 1959 to 1982), it is not clear precisely how many genuine Medal candidates the 100 commendations represent. Yet it seems reasonable to consider them all "runners up" for the Medal. In a few biographies I have already called the commended illustrators runners up; eg, someone was four times a runner up, twice Commended and twice Highly Commended. I would say the same about a book it its own article.
As of 2012-06-28 we have 16 complete shortlists for 1995-1998, 2000-2005, and 2007-2012 (where 1999 is missing and 2006 marks a gap in the official award dates). There are six to eight books on every shortlist, so they identify 5 to 7 "losing finalists", so to speak.
There were 31 Highly Commended illustrators or books (no person with two books in one year, no work with two illustrators) in 29 years from 1974 to 2002. Helen Oxenbury was a four-time HC runner up, which I have covered in her biography. ( Michael Foreman (illustrator) was a five-time runner up, including one HC, which I have covered in his biography.) -- P64 ( talk) 20:42, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Brief report, without description of said Greenaway coverage.
Illustrators
Books
--2012-07-01; P64 ( talk) 20:55, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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The Kate Greenaway Medal was renamed the Yoto Carnegie Medal for Illustration in 2022, I think the article title should be updated to reflect this : https://yotocarnegies.co.uk/about-the-awards/history-of-the-medals/. Mattlibrarian ( talk) 19:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
There's nothing in the article about renaming the award, a commercial move which was controversial and which is currently subject to a petition drive seeking to have the deal reversed. -- Orange Mike | Talk 01:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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As i leave the article after major revision, this section shows no references. I have relied entirely on inspection of our tables of winners (and finalists for the Caldecott). Although the tables are sortable, that work is errorprone, so may benefit from another editor or two. -- P64 ( talk) 19:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
As i leave the article after major revision in the last few days, there is a four-column sortable wikitable (my design and markup, but nearly the same as the Carnegie table) with incomplete fourth column "distinct Author".
em-dash (—) indicates i have confirmed a single author-illustrator.
blank indicates i have not checked. --
P64 (
talk) 19:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
As i leave the article after major revision in the last few days, there are some mentions of the "school year" in relation to the publication year that defines award eligibility, September to August.
I wonder how long the Sep to Aug publication year has been in effect. It's a great misfit for casual references to the "preceding year" or the "year following publication" (by me, previous editors, and CILIP).
The "50th Anniversary Top Ten" relies on such casual reference, in effect, if i recall correctly. Some parenthetical dates may not be publication dates, but off by one, if a publication year different from the calendar year was used before 2006. -- P64 ( talk) 19:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Are the winners consistently excluded from the shortlists here? My spot check shows winners excluded for Greenaway, included for Carnegie Medal in Literature#Shortlists, which is not best and needs explanation in the shortlist preface anyway.
At the top i have marked this section {{ incomplete list}} and {{ citation needed}}. We need a source for shortlists back to 2000. Perhaps there was (and is at Internet Archive) a single online source for 2000 to 200x, used without reference when the page was created. At CILIP i quickly find only the current 2012 and Recent 2011 shortlists.
If 1995 was the first public shortlist, we should explain that --both in the lead and at 1995 in the list, I think.
Winners may deserve some highlight in the shortlists, if/when they are included.
Perhaps the shortlists should be used to provide more information at least for winners, as a start? For 1995 to 1998 we show {Illustrator, Title (Publisher)}, not only Illustrator, Title. At least the Writer should be consistently identified where distinct from the illustrator. -- P64 ( talk) 19:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
In the code (visible only in edit mode) for all annual listings --shortlists or Medalist plus commendations-- the string <!---->
indicates that data entry {Illustrator, Title (Publisher), Author} is complete and wikilinks have been checked. At the moment, "Author" may be the displayed symbol '@', which means written by the illustrator.
When I finish this stint (late June), absence of the code will signify missing data or conflicting data about the publisher or author (because I have entered every Illustrator, Title, and checked every wikilink).
(to be corrected confirmed or clarified after this stint) -- P64 ( talk) 21:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
This week I have added listings (1955 to 1994) or annotations (1995 to 2002) for all commendations known to me. Except one 1988 special commendation the source is CCSU library [ref name=ccsu]. There were precisely 100 such commendations, iicc: the one special, 31 Highly Commended (1974 to 2002), and 68 Commended (1959 to 2002). The latter include "Honor" rather than "Commended" designations from 1968 to 1969 or 1970, where two sources differ.
Annually 1959-2002 there were as few as zero and as many as six commendations of all kinds, but either two or three in 32 of those 44 years. Because four illustrators won Medals for two works (from 1959 to 1982), it is not clear precisely how many genuine Medal candidates the 100 commendations represent. Yet it seems reasonable to consider them all "runners up" for the Medal. In a few biographies I have already called the commended illustrators runners up; eg, someone was four times a runner up, twice Commended and twice Highly Commended. I would say the same about a book it its own article.
As of 2012-06-28 we have 16 complete shortlists for 1995-1998, 2000-2005, and 2007-2012 (where 1999 is missing and 2006 marks a gap in the official award dates). There are six to eight books on every shortlist, so they identify 5 to 7 "losing finalists", so to speak.
There were 31 Highly Commended illustrators or books (no person with two books in one year, no work with two illustrators) in 29 years from 1974 to 2002. Helen Oxenbury was a four-time HC runner up, which I have covered in her biography. ( Michael Foreman (illustrator) was a five-time runner up, including one HC, which I have covered in his biography.) -- P64 ( talk) 20:42, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Brief report, without description of said Greenaway coverage.
Illustrators
Books
--2012-07-01; P64 ( talk) 20:55, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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The Kate Greenaway Medal was renamed the Yoto Carnegie Medal for Illustration in 2022, I think the article title should be updated to reflect this : https://yotocarnegies.co.uk/about-the-awards/history-of-the-medals/. Mattlibrarian ( talk) 19:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
There's nothing in the article about renaming the award, a commercial move which was controversial and which is currently subject to a petition drive seeking to have the deal reversed. -- Orange Mike | Talk 01:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)