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These are not the same. For example there is the mess in households of impoverished Brahmans.
In the West a clean house is connected to Good and Moral, but this does not apply to all movements within Hinduism/Buddism. An impoverished priest or land-owner may not clean even if this causes him to endure disease and vermin, as doing the deed of cleaning presumably causes bad karma to members of his caste. Notoriously a toilet infested with maggots may be preferred over bad karma.
Karma tends to a strict role model, confined to serve the self in presumed next life. It may lead to decisions detrimental to the current and detrimental to the lives of many. From western point of view such decisions appear inconvenient, inappropriate and are hard to explain. — Preceding
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You said "actions that are performed,arise,or oroginate without any bad intent are considered non existent in karmic impact or neutral " but actions with good intent can have the effect of good Karma so it is "actions without intent" good and bad that are neutral in karmic influence. — Preceding
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From a Buddhist perspective, the generalization that "intent" is required does not seem to be correct. Many Buddhist writers emphasize the the role of "Store Conciousness" (a part of mind) where healthy and unhealthy seeds that produce particular actions/thoughts are nurtured (or not). Then, when the conditioned stimulus or "hook" occurs, the person responds automatically/habitually without (at least) immediate awareness.
See for example:
1) Zen Lineage: Understanding our Mind: 51 Verses on Buddhist Psychology by Thich Nhat Hahn. "Part 1" pp. 23 ff, and particularly "Habit Energies" pp. 49-52.
2) Tibetan Lineage: Wake up to Your Life by Ken Mcleod, "Working with Reactive Emotions", pp. 83-88.
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These are not the same. For example there is the mess in households of impoverished Brahmans.
In the West a clean house is connected to Good and Moral, but this does not apply to all movements within Hinduism/Buddism. An impoverished priest or land-owner may not clean even if this causes him to endure disease and vermin, as doing the deed of cleaning presumably causes bad karma to members of his caste. Notoriously a toilet infested with maggots may be preferred over bad karma.
Karma tends to a strict role model, confined to serve the self in presumed next life. It may lead to decisions detrimental to the current and detrimental to the lives of many. From western point of view such decisions appear inconvenient, inappropriate and are hard to explain. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.83.108.100 (
talk) 10:25, 29 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Discussion
You said "actions that are performed,arise,or oroginate without any bad intent are considered non existent in karmic impact or neutral " but actions with good intent can have the effect of good Karma so it is "actions without intent" good and bad that are neutral in karmic influence. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Boutarfa Nafia (
talk •
contribs) 21:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)reply
From a Buddhist perspective, the generalization that "intent" is required does not seem to be correct. Many Buddhist writers emphasize the the role of "Store Conciousness" (a part of mind) where healthy and unhealthy seeds that produce particular actions/thoughts are nurtured (or not). Then, when the conditioned stimulus or "hook" occurs, the person responds automatically/habitually without (at least) immediate awareness.
See for example:
1) Zen Lineage: Understanding our Mind: 51 Verses on Buddhist Psychology by Thich Nhat Hahn. "Part 1" pp. 23 ff, and particularly "Habit Energies" pp. 49-52.
2) Tibetan Lineage: Wake up to Your Life by Ken Mcleod, "Working with Reactive Emotions", pp. 83-88.
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