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It's incorrect to say Finnish politicians generally do not want to speak about Karelia. For all the main parties the issue of the ceded territories was closed with Paris peace treaty. It is only being kept alive by small single-issue groups (not non-governmental organisations) like Pro Karelia, and a handful of fairly marginal right-wing parties.
What about the opinions of the people living in the terrorities? Morwen - Talk 18:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
The article says:
which doesn't make sense to me. I gather that Finnland's official opinion is that they want it if it could be done peacefully, but from after the first comma there, I have no idea how Russia relates. As Russia has what? etc. Any clarification would be most welcome!
— Felix the Cassowary ( ɑe hɪː jɐ) 07:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
I removed the following claim from the article:
As can be easily checked at the list of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita, such disparities are not very rare, and indeed it is easy to find even greater disparities, such as:
South Korea 21,419 - North Korea 1,400 Israel 22,077 - Egypt 4,072 Hong Kong 30,558 - People's Republic of China 5,642 South Africa 10,798 - Mozambique 1,247 Indonesia 3,703 - East Timor 400 Greece 20,362 - Albania 4,937 Hungary 15,546 - Serbia and Montenegro 4858
I thought maybe the claim could be true if you qualified the statement in some way, but could think of no meaningful way to do so, so I'm removing it entirely. -- Iceager 10:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Below is a list of the differences ordered by the ratio of the GDP values.
As you can see, of those listed, Finland - Russia is the smallest difference. The difference between the two Koreas is by far the largest. — JIP | Talk 09:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
That's fun. When I first started this article, I named it just Karelian question in Finland. :-) Kahkonen 21:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
More than twelve years later, we should revisit the article title yet again. How commonly is the phrase "Karelian question" used to refer to this matter? Is it universally understood to mean this?
Even if the similar Finnnish-language phrase Karjala-kysymys is well-recognized to refer to this matter, that does not mean that its English-language equivalent has received similar treatment. If this is not a predominate phrase used to refer to this matter in the English-language, then it seems ill-suited to be the title of this article. I have already initiated
a similar discussion about the name of the article currently entitled "Kaliningrad question" (the outcomes of that discussion may differ from the outcomes of this discussion, it is possible that it might be decided to change that article's title whilst retaining the current title of this article).
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Here's my little rant about karelian question, following text is no way NPOV so feel free to disregard completely.
Following text also might contain racistic views, of which I apologise.
As a young finn, I find the discussions about returning karelia completely ridiculous. Simple glance at maths
explains the situation easily. Karelia currently has population of almost 1 million, compared to finlands 5.1 million.
Forget forcibly relocating people, it isn't an option, you cannot evict people from their homes, think israel, do
we want suicide bombers taking revenge on us in future?
If karelia would be joined to finland, total population would rise to over 6 million, and every 6th "finn" would speak
russian as their native tongue. Such large number would likely grant russian language status of official language in finland.
Meaning, every public servant would have to be able to speak russian in order to be qualified to work in public offices.
Infrastructure in roads, seweage, health care, electricity etc are far inferior in karelia, and below finnish standards.
It would cost billions of dollars to repair the infrastructure.
Age group of people living in karelian area consists mostly of older age groups. The amount of retired persons would rise
alot, increasing pension expenses.
Shortly put, it's not economically feasible to pursue the return of karelia.
85.77.62.77
00:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
The issue of the ceded territories in Karelia is undoubtedly of great importance to some Finns, but even in their own country they are a very marginal group. A quick check of the various irrendentist websites will show that only some half a dozen people actively take part in the debate.
It is therefore questionnable if the issue is worth an article of its own in Wikipedia. A better solution might to refer to the irrendentists in a sentence or two in the article proper about Karelia.
It may also be worth noting the there has been calls on irrendentist websites of using Wikipedia more actively to further their cause. 81.131.65.196 11:17, 3 February 2006
Added a lot. What sitations needed still? Kahkonen 20:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Is [2] important enough to be mentioned here? ( Stefan2 10:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC))
The municipality of Kuusamo lost some 1.700 km2 after the Winter War. The area included the villages of Paanajärvi, Tavajärvi, Vatajärvi, Enojärvi, Pukari and Kenttikylä, totalling 2.100 inhabitants. Therefore, it is prudent to mention that the ceded area includes parts of Salla and Kuusamo. -- MPorciusCato 13:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to give this article a once-over in English style and grammar, and would be grateful if someone could check the wordings listed here just to make sure I have not changed the meanings of the sentences.
- However, all evacuee families had a right to receive a small farm, and/or a plot for a detached house or a flat. (should this be "and" or "or"? the original sentence had neither but the stylistic needs in the English language called for a conjunction. Also it seems that either the family was given a farm, or they were given a house or flat, not both.)
- Compensation is ALWAYS singular in English.
- Karjalan Liitto is an interest group of Karelian evacuees which hopes that Karelia will be restored to Finland at some point (changed from "some day" - colloquial, not formal style)
- Removed word "extremists" because that could be considered POV. Does anyone have a source as to who has suggested this so that a more accurate description can be entered?
Lstanley1979 ( talk) 16:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
From the article:
Is this a prize (money that you get) or a price (money that you pay)? Many Finns confuse the English words, because the sound z does not occur natively in Finnish. I suspect it's a price, but I have not read the article thoroughly enough to know for sure. JIP | Talk 18:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Some years ago I insisted that the article clearly states that the Karelian question is on the fringes of Finnish politics. I am no longer convinced of this. Have irredentist demands for the "return" of Karelia entered the mainstream? -- Petri Krohn ( talk) 01:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
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It's incorrect to say Finnish politicians generally do not want to speak about Karelia. For all the main parties the issue of the ceded territories was closed with Paris peace treaty. It is only being kept alive by small single-issue groups (not non-governmental organisations) like Pro Karelia, and a handful of fairly marginal right-wing parties.
What about the opinions of the people living in the terrorities? Morwen - Talk 18:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
The article says:
which doesn't make sense to me. I gather that Finnland's official opinion is that they want it if it could be done peacefully, but from after the first comma there, I have no idea how Russia relates. As Russia has what? etc. Any clarification would be most welcome!
— Felix the Cassowary ( ɑe hɪː jɐ) 07:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
I removed the following claim from the article:
As can be easily checked at the list of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita, such disparities are not very rare, and indeed it is easy to find even greater disparities, such as:
South Korea 21,419 - North Korea 1,400 Israel 22,077 - Egypt 4,072 Hong Kong 30,558 - People's Republic of China 5,642 South Africa 10,798 - Mozambique 1,247 Indonesia 3,703 - East Timor 400 Greece 20,362 - Albania 4,937 Hungary 15,546 - Serbia and Montenegro 4858
I thought maybe the claim could be true if you qualified the statement in some way, but could think of no meaningful way to do so, so I'm removing it entirely. -- Iceager 10:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Below is a list of the differences ordered by the ratio of the GDP values.
As you can see, of those listed, Finland - Russia is the smallest difference. The difference between the two Koreas is by far the largest. — JIP | Talk 09:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
That's fun. When I first started this article, I named it just Karelian question in Finland. :-) Kahkonen 21:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
More than twelve years later, we should revisit the article title yet again. How commonly is the phrase "Karelian question" used to refer to this matter? Is it universally understood to mean this?
Even if the similar Finnnish-language phrase Karjala-kysymys is well-recognized to refer to this matter, that does not mean that its English-language equivalent has received similar treatment. If this is not a predominate phrase used to refer to this matter in the English-language, then it seems ill-suited to be the title of this article. I have already initiated
a similar discussion about the name of the article currently entitled "Kaliningrad question" (the outcomes of that discussion may differ from the outcomes of this discussion, it is possible that it might be decided to change that article's title whilst retaining the current title of this article).
SecretName101 (
talk)
21:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Here's my little rant about karelian question, following text is no way NPOV so feel free to disregard completely.
Following text also might contain racistic views, of which I apologise.
As a young finn, I find the discussions about returning karelia completely ridiculous. Simple glance at maths
explains the situation easily. Karelia currently has population of almost 1 million, compared to finlands 5.1 million.
Forget forcibly relocating people, it isn't an option, you cannot evict people from their homes, think israel, do
we want suicide bombers taking revenge on us in future?
If karelia would be joined to finland, total population would rise to over 6 million, and every 6th "finn" would speak
russian as their native tongue. Such large number would likely grant russian language status of official language in finland.
Meaning, every public servant would have to be able to speak russian in order to be qualified to work in public offices.
Infrastructure in roads, seweage, health care, electricity etc are far inferior in karelia, and below finnish standards.
It would cost billions of dollars to repair the infrastructure.
Age group of people living in karelian area consists mostly of older age groups. The amount of retired persons would rise
alot, increasing pension expenses.
Shortly put, it's not economically feasible to pursue the return of karelia.
85.77.62.77
00:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
The issue of the ceded territories in Karelia is undoubtedly of great importance to some Finns, but even in their own country they are a very marginal group. A quick check of the various irrendentist websites will show that only some half a dozen people actively take part in the debate.
It is therefore questionnable if the issue is worth an article of its own in Wikipedia. A better solution might to refer to the irrendentists in a sentence or two in the article proper about Karelia.
It may also be worth noting the there has been calls on irrendentist websites of using Wikipedia more actively to further their cause. 81.131.65.196 11:17, 3 February 2006
Added a lot. What sitations needed still? Kahkonen 20:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Is [2] important enough to be mentioned here? ( Stefan2 10:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC))
The municipality of Kuusamo lost some 1.700 km2 after the Winter War. The area included the villages of Paanajärvi, Tavajärvi, Vatajärvi, Enojärvi, Pukari and Kenttikylä, totalling 2.100 inhabitants. Therefore, it is prudent to mention that the ceded area includes parts of Salla and Kuusamo. -- MPorciusCato 13:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to give this article a once-over in English style and grammar, and would be grateful if someone could check the wordings listed here just to make sure I have not changed the meanings of the sentences.
- However, all evacuee families had a right to receive a small farm, and/or a plot for a detached house or a flat. (should this be "and" or "or"? the original sentence had neither but the stylistic needs in the English language called for a conjunction. Also it seems that either the family was given a farm, or they were given a house or flat, not both.)
- Compensation is ALWAYS singular in English.
- Karjalan Liitto is an interest group of Karelian evacuees which hopes that Karelia will be restored to Finland at some point (changed from "some day" - colloquial, not formal style)
- Removed word "extremists" because that could be considered POV. Does anyone have a source as to who has suggested this so that a more accurate description can be entered?
Lstanley1979 ( talk) 16:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
From the article:
Is this a prize (money that you get) or a price (money that you pay)? Many Finns confuse the English words, because the sound z does not occur natively in Finnish. I suspect it's a price, but I have not read the article thoroughly enough to know for sure. JIP | Talk 18:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Some years ago I insisted that the article clearly states that the Karelian question is on the fringes of Finnish politics. I am no longer convinced of this. Have irredentist demands for the "return" of Karelia entered the mainstream? -- Petri Krohn ( talk) 01:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
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