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I have cleaned up this article which contained repetitive material, badly referenced, full of appalling puffery, and in places copied verbatim from past and current versions of the subject's website. The multiple reversions by editors with a clear conflict of interest, had not helped the resultant mess. If the article's subject wants to downplay his association with Gibraltar on his own web site, that is his choice. However, this is an encyclopedia article, not his web site or publicity page (although parts of it had been written as such). This reached a bizarre height, when these editors tried to remove the fact that his OBE was for services to music and culture in Gibraltar, and ultimately tried to removed the supporting reference from the The London Gazette, an official journal of record of the British government.
To editors here who have any affiliation whatsoever to Karel Mark Chichon (either personal or professional), please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Autobiography for guidance when editing under these circumstances and follow it scrupulously. In future bear the following in mind:
On a personal note to the editors who have been inappropriately adding (and removing) material, I have long experience of dealing with Wikipedia articles on classical artists which have been written or extensively edited by either the subject of their agents. Trust me, the kind of PR hype that had been placed in this article actually detracts from the subject's image rather than enhancing it. Voceditenore ( talk) 17:27, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Some lingering detail concerns after my edit now on KMC's page:
I also second Voceditenore's missive to people who want to turn Chichon's page into more of a publicity page. The purpose of Wikipedia is to present 'just the facts' and not be a publicity page for any individual or organisation. DJRafe ( talk) 23:32, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
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I have reverted the following edits by an employee of the article's subject:
1. Her removal of a valid reference without explanation. This is simply the latest in her repeated attempts to remove information about the person who co-founded the Gibraltar Philharmonic Society in 1998 with Chichon.
2. The addition of what the subject will conduct "soon". The relative time construct is meaningless. Furthermore, this is not the place to post the subject's future appearances unless they have received significant coverage in independent sources. His management agency's blurb is not an independent source.
3. The blatant puffery, unsupported by an independent source that A further testament to his outstanding partnership with the DRP has been the unanimous critical success of the first album release of the complete orchestral works of Dvorák – a cycle which he will record over the next 4 years for the label Hänssler Classic referenced solely to the orchestra's page listing recordings. Unsurprisingly, it was actually copied verbatim from Chichon's official biography.
Voceditenore ( talk) 12:09, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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I have cleaned up this article which contained repetitive material, badly referenced, full of appalling puffery, and in places copied verbatim from past and current versions of the subject's website. The multiple reversions by editors with a clear conflict of interest, had not helped the resultant mess. If the article's subject wants to downplay his association with Gibraltar on his own web site, that is his choice. However, this is an encyclopedia article, not his web site or publicity page (although parts of it had been written as such). This reached a bizarre height, when these editors tried to remove the fact that his OBE was for services to music and culture in Gibraltar, and ultimately tried to removed the supporting reference from the The London Gazette, an official journal of record of the British government.
To editors here who have any affiliation whatsoever to Karel Mark Chichon (either personal or professional), please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Autobiography for guidance when editing under these circumstances and follow it scrupulously. In future bear the following in mind:
On a personal note to the editors who have been inappropriately adding (and removing) material, I have long experience of dealing with Wikipedia articles on classical artists which have been written or extensively edited by either the subject of their agents. Trust me, the kind of PR hype that had been placed in this article actually detracts from the subject's image rather than enhancing it. Voceditenore ( talk) 17:27, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Some lingering detail concerns after my edit now on KMC's page:
I also second Voceditenore's missive to people who want to turn Chichon's page into more of a publicity page. The purpose of Wikipedia is to present 'just the facts' and not be a publicity page for any individual or organisation. DJRafe ( talk) 23:32, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Karel Mark Chichon. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
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An editor has reviewed this edit and fixed any errors that were found.
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 04:31, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
I have reverted the following edits by an employee of the article's subject:
1. Her removal of a valid reference without explanation. This is simply the latest in her repeated attempts to remove information about the person who co-founded the Gibraltar Philharmonic Society in 1998 with Chichon.
2. The addition of what the subject will conduct "soon". The relative time construct is meaningless. Furthermore, this is not the place to post the subject's future appearances unless they have received significant coverage in independent sources. His management agency's blurb is not an independent source.
3. The blatant puffery, unsupported by an independent source that A further testament to his outstanding partnership with the DRP has been the unanimous critical success of the first album release of the complete orchestral works of Dvorák – a cycle which he will record over the next 4 years for the label Hänssler Classic referenced solely to the orchestra's page listing recordings. Unsurprisingly, it was actually copied verbatim from Chichon's official biography.
Voceditenore ( talk) 12:09, 17 October 2016 (UTC)