I have a "theory" involving Starbuck. I believe that her big "destiny" was to die, then to appear as a vision to Apollo, like Baltar-Six claims to be an "angel from God." She is like that and her vision is going to lead the Colonials, or whatever is left of them after the Five Cylon Baseships anihalate them, to Earth. Sith Penguin Lord 00:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)02:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I've seen third season finale and I don't think there's any evidence or suggestion that Kara is a Cylon. I think this sould not be present as a "true" fact on the article. This is pure speculation. 131.246.120.30 21:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree. While most evidence would indicate that she is one of the final five, in an interview the producer is very vague and says that the last Cylon will be revealed next season, implying that it is NOT Starbuck. 69.249.245.105 21:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
No way. If a #7 was unboxed it would be younger than #6 and older than #8 - way too young to be her father. Ellen was in the bar where he was playing piano - wouldn't she have seen him and recognized him? Not to mention the fact that he disappeared into thin air when Tigh and the others came up behind them. Much more plausible that he is a seraph and she is some kind of human/seraph hybrid that is now full seraph after her "death". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.132.64.141 ( talk) 17:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
can someone chuck a spoiler tag on this page? I don't know how to do it myself, but it needs one. 82.13.83.244 01:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
{{spoiler}} to start and {{endspoiler}} to end Sith Penguin Lord 00:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)02:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
This article should probably be refocused on more than the fictional biography - as the intro points out, making Starbuck a female character was tremendously controversial, with Dirk Benedict bitterly condemning it. She really went from being one of the most hated to one of the most loved BSG characters. All of which is more encyclopedic than her fictional biography. 24.136.38.121 17:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
The reason Leoben comes looking for Starbuck is pretty clearly stated in the trailer (and also blazingly obvious, but ignore that) but I'd still feel weird about putting in a spoiler that's yet to happen. Should I? Stilgar135 03:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I do not believe her to be one of the final five... I do think she survives the explosion... I think she did eject in time and there was a cylon ship there to rescue her with Leoben in it.
In the article, the child's name is spelled "Kacey" and "Casey". Is there an official spelling available? It should be found, and the article made consistent. 209.217.82.98 13:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
In the main article, it states that upon returning to Galactica Thrace learns that Kacey is not her child. This is an oversight, and the child's identity is still a mystery. The Loeben Cylon states in Part 1 that Thrace's ovum was obtained by the Cylons during her incarceration on "the Farm", but he goes on to state that THE CHILD WAS BROUGHT TO TERM BY ANOTHER WOMAN. Hence, Thrace's distress when the Kacey's mother sees her is not due to some realization that the Cylons tricked her, it is that EITHER the Cylons tricked her into loving a child she thought was her own -- a half-Cylon child she has grown to love -- or the child is really her's, in the sense that the child bears her DNA and developed out of her ovum; either way the situation sends her into purgatory, since when she reflects on it, there is no denying that she grew to love Kacey. If it is a lie, then the Cylons tricked her and humiliated her, nearly domesticating her; if it is not a lie, they used her as a lab rat. Further, Thrace can never be a mother to the child, because the other woman, not understanding the ovum which produced Kacey was not her own, nevertheless carried Kacey to term, gave birth to her, and is in all other ways her true mother beyond Thrace having supplied the ovum sample while the Cylons had her sedated at the Farm. Until they do a DNA test of the child, it will remain uncertain as to whether or not Kacey is the biological daughter of Thrace. 67.70.50.19 16:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Please keep in mind that when writing about characters and events in fiction, it is appropriate always to use present tense -- even for a character who in one episode dies. <-note present tense there -- EEMeltonIV 04:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I remind editors who add to this article to use an encyclopedic tone. Some of the last few entries have been, shall we say, excessively fannish in their style. CovenantD 05:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
We do not actually know that she is dead. Leoben said he was coming for her, we saw her hand on the ejector seat, all we saw was the viper detonate in the storm. I think we should update the last sentence to reflect this ambiguity. - Count23 08:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Leoben never said he was coming for her. They are. It could have meant the afterlife or it could have meant the cylons. Palewook 12:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Since many of the BSG characters appear to be drawn around mythology, there is a thread of thought that follows the re-imagined Starbuck character is based on the Valkyrie Kára who is/was the result of reincarnation. If so, Starbuck is dead and Kára the reincarnation. If the writers put this much energy into continuity then it would also explain the change in Starbuck/Kára's personality. —Preceding
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The section I wrote on "Maelstrom" may be too long, although it certainly is an important episode for her, to say the least.
I am certain Kara died, she didn't "presumably" or probably die; on the podcast Ronald D. Moore explicitly said that the episode was about 'the death of Kara Thrace'. -- Filippo Argenti 03:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
There really appears to be no question on the episode in question. Her ship explodes with her inside. -- HarmonicSphere 04:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
What you have rewritten is your opinion. you have changed the facts of what Moore says in his podcast and what Katee Sackhoff says in her post maelstrom interview. Palewook 12:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm really not good with grammar, I apologize for any mistakes in that area. However, I am fairly certain that Starbuck is dead. As I said, Moore explicitly said in the podcast that the episode was about Kara's death, and he mentioned that he and David Eick had a talk with Katee Sackoff about the fact that they were killing off her character.... and anyway, the idea of resurrecting a dead [or apparently dead] character flies in the face of the 'gritty realism' attitude of the re-imagined series [they didn't bring Kat back, did they?]
I'm hoping that didn't sound like an angry tirade, as it wasn't meant to be. Anyway, I've chosen not to edit what you [CovenantD] wrote, for the sake of not getting into an edit war, and because it is true for as far as it goes- apollo did see her viper explode. And, of coarse, any disagreement over whether or not Kara is dead will be resolved by whether Kara/Katee is on the show in the rest of season 3/season 4. -- Filippo Argenti 02:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Col. Tigh flips the table over, before Kara Thrace punches him in the face, not just before the decommissioning ceremony that opens the series, but much, much later, toward the end of Season 2. I'm not sure which episode it happened in, but it was toward the end of Season 2. I'll see if I can find out which one. -- HarmonicSphere 04:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
The scene you are talking about occurred in the Miniseries. 1Winston 18:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
any reason gag reel was placed in external links section? Palewook 12:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
For the record, this article needs to be wikified hardcore. Why is the entire article mainly one section with the other sections added as an afterthought. We need someone with more information on her character to edit this . // 3R1C 04:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I completely and utterly agree. Right now it reads like the exposition portion of a Starbuck fanfic. And I love Starbuck and I've been known to enjoy fic, so I'm not slamming it out of turn... but it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. I can't believe there's nothing here about the fan reaction to a "female Starbuck", no discussion of the impact on women in television this character might be making, and so on -- things that should comprise this article instead of a Kara Thrace recap. We need more than one person doing this though, so anyone got ideas where to start? -- Hiraeth ( talk) 04:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, the aparation/seraph of Eloshia that appeared to Roselyn. And the aparation/seraph of Starbuck's father/piano player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.132.64.141 ( talk) 17:47, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
She is in fact alive, apollo goes to check out a weird signature on the radar and sees her. she tells him she has seen earth, and is going to show them the way. that is where the episode ends.(what a good cliff-hanger) First time on here btw Ghalhud 03:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Is she a Cylon and if so, should we mark her as one? Sith Penguin Lord 21:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)(02:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The article needs to drop mention of the fact that both Katee and Moore have terminated the inside-the-head theory. It remains the only bit of speculation on her return that has been officially addressed, and therefore the only thing that should be mentioned. When we have officially identified she as a Cylon, then we mark as such. Until then (if), we keep the original research to ourselves. -- Bacteria 07:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so what exactly does it mean that's she's going to "lead the human race to its end" or whatever? Does that mean that Humanity is screwed if they follow her, or it means that it's going to be the end of the current era of humanity and the beginning of a new one? I can't see Starbuck suddenly turning out to be evil.
I have a "theory" involving Starbuck. I believe that her big "destiny" was to die, then to appear as a vision to Apollo, like Baltar-Six claims to be an "angel from God." She is like that and her vision is going to lead the Colonials, or whatever is left of them after the Five Cylon Baseships anihalate them, to Earth. Sith Penguin Lord 00:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)02:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I've seen third season finale and I don't think there's any evidence or suggestion that Kara is a Cylon. I think this sould not be present as a "true" fact on the article. This is pure speculation. 131.246.120.30 21:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree. While most evidence would indicate that she is one of the final five, in an interview the producer is very vague and says that the last Cylon will be revealed next season, implying that it is NOT Starbuck. 69.249.245.105 21:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
No way. If a #7 was unboxed it would be younger than #6 and older than #8 - way too young to be her father. Ellen was in the bar where he was playing piano - wouldn't she have seen him and recognized him? Not to mention the fact that he disappeared into thin air when Tigh and the others came up behind them. Much more plausible that he is a seraph and she is some kind of human/seraph hybrid that is now full seraph after her "death". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.132.64.141 ( talk) 17:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
can someone chuck a spoiler tag on this page? I don't know how to do it myself, but it needs one. 82.13.83.244 01:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
{{spoiler}} to start and {{endspoiler}} to end Sith Penguin Lord 00:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)02:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
This article should probably be refocused on more than the fictional biography - as the intro points out, making Starbuck a female character was tremendously controversial, with Dirk Benedict bitterly condemning it. She really went from being one of the most hated to one of the most loved BSG characters. All of which is more encyclopedic than her fictional biography. 24.136.38.121 17:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
The reason Leoben comes looking for Starbuck is pretty clearly stated in the trailer (and also blazingly obvious, but ignore that) but I'd still feel weird about putting in a spoiler that's yet to happen. Should I? Stilgar135 03:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I do not believe her to be one of the final five... I do think she survives the explosion... I think she did eject in time and there was a cylon ship there to rescue her with Leoben in it.
In the article, the child's name is spelled "Kacey" and "Casey". Is there an official spelling available? It should be found, and the article made consistent. 209.217.82.98 13:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
In the main article, it states that upon returning to Galactica Thrace learns that Kacey is not her child. This is an oversight, and the child's identity is still a mystery. The Loeben Cylon states in Part 1 that Thrace's ovum was obtained by the Cylons during her incarceration on "the Farm", but he goes on to state that THE CHILD WAS BROUGHT TO TERM BY ANOTHER WOMAN. Hence, Thrace's distress when the Kacey's mother sees her is not due to some realization that the Cylons tricked her, it is that EITHER the Cylons tricked her into loving a child she thought was her own -- a half-Cylon child she has grown to love -- or the child is really her's, in the sense that the child bears her DNA and developed out of her ovum; either way the situation sends her into purgatory, since when she reflects on it, there is no denying that she grew to love Kacey. If it is a lie, then the Cylons tricked her and humiliated her, nearly domesticating her; if it is not a lie, they used her as a lab rat. Further, Thrace can never be a mother to the child, because the other woman, not understanding the ovum which produced Kacey was not her own, nevertheless carried Kacey to term, gave birth to her, and is in all other ways her true mother beyond Thrace having supplied the ovum sample while the Cylons had her sedated at the Farm. Until they do a DNA test of the child, it will remain uncertain as to whether or not Kacey is the biological daughter of Thrace. 67.70.50.19 16:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Please keep in mind that when writing about characters and events in fiction, it is appropriate always to use present tense -- even for a character who in one episode dies. <-note present tense there -- EEMeltonIV 04:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I remind editors who add to this article to use an encyclopedic tone. Some of the last few entries have been, shall we say, excessively fannish in their style. CovenantD 05:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
We do not actually know that she is dead. Leoben said he was coming for her, we saw her hand on the ejector seat, all we saw was the viper detonate in the storm. I think we should update the last sentence to reflect this ambiguity. - Count23 08:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Leoben never said he was coming for her. They are. It could have meant the afterlife or it could have meant the cylons. Palewook 12:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Since many of the BSG characters appear to be drawn around mythology, there is a thread of thought that follows the re-imagined Starbuck character is based on the Valkyrie Kára who is/was the result of reincarnation. If so, Starbuck is dead and Kára the reincarnation. If the writers put this much energy into continuity then it would also explain the change in Starbuck/Kára's personality. —Preceding
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17:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
The section I wrote on "Maelstrom" may be too long, although it certainly is an important episode for her, to say the least.
I am certain Kara died, she didn't "presumably" or probably die; on the podcast Ronald D. Moore explicitly said that the episode was about 'the death of Kara Thrace'. -- Filippo Argenti 03:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
There really appears to be no question on the episode in question. Her ship explodes with her inside. -- HarmonicSphere 04:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
What you have rewritten is your opinion. you have changed the facts of what Moore says in his podcast and what Katee Sackhoff says in her post maelstrom interview. Palewook 12:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm really not good with grammar, I apologize for any mistakes in that area. However, I am fairly certain that Starbuck is dead. As I said, Moore explicitly said in the podcast that the episode was about Kara's death, and he mentioned that he and David Eick had a talk with Katee Sackoff about the fact that they were killing off her character.... and anyway, the idea of resurrecting a dead [or apparently dead] character flies in the face of the 'gritty realism' attitude of the re-imagined series [they didn't bring Kat back, did they?]
I'm hoping that didn't sound like an angry tirade, as it wasn't meant to be. Anyway, I've chosen not to edit what you [CovenantD] wrote, for the sake of not getting into an edit war, and because it is true for as far as it goes- apollo did see her viper explode. And, of coarse, any disagreement over whether or not Kara is dead will be resolved by whether Kara/Katee is on the show in the rest of season 3/season 4. -- Filippo Argenti 02:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Col. Tigh flips the table over, before Kara Thrace punches him in the face, not just before the decommissioning ceremony that opens the series, but much, much later, toward the end of Season 2. I'm not sure which episode it happened in, but it was toward the end of Season 2. I'll see if I can find out which one. -- HarmonicSphere 04:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
The scene you are talking about occurred in the Miniseries. 1Winston 18:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
any reason gag reel was placed in external links section? Palewook 12:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
For the record, this article needs to be wikified hardcore. Why is the entire article mainly one section with the other sections added as an afterthought. We need someone with more information on her character to edit this . // 3R1C 04:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I completely and utterly agree. Right now it reads like the exposition portion of a Starbuck fanfic. And I love Starbuck and I've been known to enjoy fic, so I'm not slamming it out of turn... but it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. I can't believe there's nothing here about the fan reaction to a "female Starbuck", no discussion of the impact on women in television this character might be making, and so on -- things that should comprise this article instead of a Kara Thrace recap. We need more than one person doing this though, so anyone got ideas where to start? -- Hiraeth ( talk) 04:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, the aparation/seraph of Eloshia that appeared to Roselyn. And the aparation/seraph of Starbuck's father/piano player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.132.64.141 ( talk) 17:47, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
She is in fact alive, apollo goes to check out a weird signature on the radar and sees her. she tells him she has seen earth, and is going to show them the way. that is where the episode ends.(what a good cliff-hanger) First time on here btw Ghalhud 03:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Is she a Cylon and if so, should we mark her as one? Sith Penguin Lord 21:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)(02:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The article needs to drop mention of the fact that both Katee and Moore have terminated the inside-the-head theory. It remains the only bit of speculation on her return that has been officially addressed, and therefore the only thing that should be mentioned. When we have officially identified she as a Cylon, then we mark as such. Until then (if), we keep the original research to ourselves. -- Bacteria 07:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so what exactly does it mean that's she's going to "lead the human race to its end" or whatever? Does that mean that Humanity is screwed if they follow her, or it means that it's going to be the end of the current era of humanity and the beginning of a new one? I can't see Starbuck suddenly turning out to be evil.