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there are many other better and cooler pictures of Kanye West... That is a bad picture, and it makes him look funny. You should really change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.113.5 ( talk) 19:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
He is funny! He actually thinks he will be remembered as an artist when in fact people will remember him for his bloated ego and the sore loser attitude! -- 142.161.216.128 ( talk) 18:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Exuse me. I thought the idea od wikipedia was to inform peoplr about facts, not personal opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.105.240 ( talk) 01:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC) dont hate,kanye is well on his way 2 being a legend and his music is ground breaking and last i checked its ok to have a big ego aslong as you can back it up and boy can he back it up (plus he'z hot) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.28.70 ( talk) 06:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
This picture is not gay enough or fishy enough.-- 142.161.216.128 ( talk) 18:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rileysan ( talk • contribs)
Can i know where's the source that his real name is Dave East???? This is big blows because in every page that i search on the web, his real name is Kanye Omari West. Strange. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.81.36.112 ( talk) 15:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I think it's rubbish, because the pronounciation box next to it is for 'Kanye'. So somone must have changed it recently. 5150emergency ( talk) 16:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Have checked history of the page and his name and year of birth were both recently changed. Can someone revert them back please as i can't because it's a semi-protected page. 5150emergency ( talk) 16:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Must have been some vandal. Probably put "East" since it's opposite of West. Not sure where Dave came from NakaXeta ( talk) 01:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
is it notable that kayne has been working with britney spears ? TomSkillingJr.
the article states a WAY more positive view of his verse, which is actually a small jab at the ambiguity of the song (his first line is "Now I dunno what the hell this song is talkin' bout. Do you?") and the general style of fall out boy. he does complement them though on the fact that they 'raced straight to the top,' but it's a rather biased point of view. it's pretty minor, but it was noticeable to me. tard nuggets.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fahimi ( talk • contribs) 23:13, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
Kayne West Live in Tomball Texas with three white kids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.129.20 ( talk) 17:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
This line: "In September 2007, West suggested that his race had to do with his being overlooked for opening the MTV Video Music Awards in favor of Britney Spears; he claimed, "Maybe my skin’s not right."
Needs to be changed to this:
"In September 2007, West suggested that his race had to do with him being overlooked for opening the MTV Video Music Awards in favor of Britney Spears; he claimed, "Maybe my skin’s not right."
A small spelling mistake
I'm getting annoyed at the fact that everything bad about Kanye West keeps being removed. Here's the quote
“If it wasn’t for race mixing there’d be no video girls. Me and most of our friends like mutts a lot. Yeah, in the hood they call ‘em mutts”.
Here's the sites it was listed on. It did cause a stir amongst some black and mixed folks, hence why I know about it in the UK. http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.4685/title.kanye-west-calls-mixed-girls-mutts http://www.mediatakeout.com/Exclusives/Kanye_Mutt.html http://www.intermix.org.uk/news/news_061206_01.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Invertedzero ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.
-- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 23:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Just been reading this article and it says:
'In May 2007, West split from long-time model girlfriend Alexis Rainey.'
and then later on in the article:
'Kanye West and designer Alex Phifer ended their 18-month engagement in 2008. The couple had been dating on and off since 2002, with Kanye eventually proposing in August 2006.'
How could he have proposed in August 2006 if he only split from Alexis Rainey in May 2007? Or is that correct? Just wanted to mention it in case it is an error... 5150emergency ( talk) 16:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Err...don't you mean Alexis Phifer, (not Alexis Rainey), bearing in mind his girlfriend prior & during his College Dropout era was Sumeke Rainey. Adaobi YELL!! done 20:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to point out that we need to re-organize the structure of the article. Contoversies should be in the same paragraph, mother's death should be integrated in one of the paragraphs to be intact with the chronology of the events, and Awards sections needs something else other than "Main article:". Daniil Maslyuk ( talk) 06:08, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
This section reads too much like journalistic tabloid coverage, not an encyclopedia article. Who cares about whether the doctor left the first TV interview, or who introduced who to whom? That is not of long-term interest.-- Parkwells ( talk) 12:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Can someone (who is better at wiki editing than me) add some info on the whole Bonnaroo thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.169.46 ( talk) 00:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
ummm dylan campbell is his greatest fan :P kanye rules!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.53.192 ( talk) 01:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Regular wikipedians should add aliases for rappers into their articles. Kanye is often referred to as Yeezy, Jay-Z often known as Hova, Hov, etc. But none of this information is ever placed in the articles. 92.9.180.80 ( talk) 23:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Great example of Wikipedia's inflexibility. It wouldn't be a collection of lists, but rappers are fairly exceptional in their usage of these aliases, since they're used so very often. Oh well. 92.12.22.16 ( talk) 19:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
He's not the only one to call himself "Yeezy" but even if he were I think it would be favorable to include those nicknames in the article. My reason being I know Kanye very well by those nicknames as well as other people and it would be acknowledgeable information to include. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavz4life ( talk • contribs) 01:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
There are a number of references to Kanye West by his aliases "Yeezy" and "The Louis Vitton Don" in print and online publications. Examples in Rolling Stone (
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10732900/people_of_the_year_2004_kanye_west/print) and MTV(
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1584891/20080404/west_kanye.jhtml &
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1596254/20081003/common.jhtml). These nicknames are used comparably to the monikers "the queen of pop" for Madonna which is listed on her page.
Also, the Jim Morrison page, for example, cites also known as names. Clearly, no one would walk up to him on the street and address him as Mr. Mojo Risin', and yet it warranted inclusion in that page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.89.42.34 ( talk) 15:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Someone should write two or three sentences about Kanye and the CRS. I think in this article you must be hinted at the fact that West is founder and part of this group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.249.189 ( talk) 19:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I really don't think that in the song Roses when he said that about Magic Johnson having a cure for HIV that he was saying that his grandmother had AIDS. The line was to point out that when regular people get sick, we don't get the same treatment as the folks with money.
I have heard rumors about a new album stirred up and I think if it should be anywhere it should be on Wikipedia first so if anyone knows..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavz4life ( talk • contribs) 01:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
i have a source its mtv i will pull up the article the first single is "Love Lockdown" drops on Itunes Monday
http://www.mtv.co.uk/channel/mtvuk/news/443833-jay-z-kanye-west-announce-singles
This morning, Kanye was arrested after getting into an altercation at the airport with paparazzi http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/11/kanye.west.arrested/index.html -- Crackthewhip775 ( talk) 19:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
There he is nearly getting into another scuffle with a paparazzo this time http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b32421_A_New_Kanye_Encounter_of_the_Paparazzi_Kind.html . Would it be alright to add it in the arrest section, especially it happened so soon after the infamous airport brawl? The police isn't pressing any charges on this one, by the way. -- Crackthewhip775 ( talk) 01:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyone else think the bottom of Kanye's "Life and Career" needs to be split into "(2008 – Present)"?
It's just that "(2007 – Present)" is starting to get pretty big, especially in comparison to other years.
- Mysteryham (
talk)
08:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
kanye is featured in a single by rhymefest called "brand new" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.118.129 ( talk) 03:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
there are a lot of sentences that need to be changed from a future tense to past tense. An example is in his political views section that ". . . west [is] scheduled to perform at the 20008 DNC in Denver." Just stuff of that nature that i cannot fix since the article is protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.78.26 ( talk) 21:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Fifth Studio Album, release June 09? Is This even true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.88.22 ( talk) 18:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
stated in an article its "Winter Spring Summer Fall" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.115.51 ( talk) 19:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I was browsing for information pertaining to "the winner" cd that is available on amazon currently. There doesn't seem to be any info and was wondering if someone could add some info about this cd? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.209.74.243 ( talk) 19:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
This article makes no mention of his 2006 album Freshman Adjustment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.248.126 ( talk) 14:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
It was a mixtape from what i know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.160.17.23 ( talk) 18:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I was just wondering why there isn't anything about his car accident since it nearly cost him his life and kind of changed his outlook on life? There is all this stuff about controversies and arrest and political sides, but no where is it mentioned that the guy almost died. Not even a little piece, i know people want to know about the more interesting things such as when he rants, or gets into fights at airports but cmon not even a sentence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ELREY34 ( talk • contribs) 19:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Should definitely be mentioned. Scroll down to the page for reference. source. -- Hevosen ( talk) 20:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Honestly, this dude must have a problem. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i6jM6Ew2aZzgEa6d-4OeYtb5XEWQ -- Crackthewhip775 ( talk) 22:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Why on earth does the word Kanye redirect to this page? I don't care how great the guy is or how many people probably mean him when they search for Kanye; it's silly. If he only used his first name I'd understand (E.G. Madonna) but he doesn't so what's the point? Sixthcrusifix ( talk) 08:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I think: He was later relased "with no further action", according to a police spokesperson. was meant to be spelled: He was later rel eased "with no further action", according to a police spokesperson. - Gideondk ( talk) 01:42, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
it says its in 2009, but it is JUNE 2009. i think thats important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.184.64.152 ( talk) 16:46, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
The article is confusing about his relationships and engagements. Also, I believe that the names are confused. His girlfriends were Alexis Phifer and Sumeke Rainey I believe, not Alexis Rainey. Cartman005 ( talk) 04:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Text reading:
Arrests
On September 11, 2008, West and his road manager/bodyguard Don Crowley were arrested at Los Angeles International Airport and booked on charges of felony vandalism after an altercation with the paparazzi[79] in which West and Crowley broke the photographers camera's.
should read:
Arrests
On September 11, 2008, West and his road manager/bodyguard Don Crowley were arrested at Los Angeles International Airport and booked on charges of felony vandalism after an altercation with the paparazzi[79] in which West and Crowley broke the photographers cameras.
New user so unable to amend grammatical error.
Pipcell ( talk) 13:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
First off, i clicked on the link to view the info and it was true. "He promises to release another album in 2009" Second, it does NOT give an album title. The College Alumni is false. I suggest that someone removes the title on this page and change it to "Untitled" or "TBA" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.143.169.17 ( talk) 19:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
[1] I guess the question is, will it stick? Should this be added to the article? -- abfackeln ( talk) 04:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Why does it start with Christian American. Shouldn't it be american or even african american?
Sharmenator ( talk) 06:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)sharmenator
Why does it start with Christian American. Shouldn't it be american or even african american?
Sharmenator ( talk) 06:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)sharmenator
This is noteworthy from last.fm profile http://www.last.fm/music/Kanye+West/+wiki
West’s style of production often utilizes pitched-up vocal samples, usually from soul songs, with his own drums and instruments. The first major label song he produced was The Truth by Beanie Sigel, and his first major release featuring his trademark vocal sampling style was “This Can’t Be Life,” a track from Jay-Z’s The Dynasty: Roc La Familia. West said he sped up the drum beat of Dr. Dre’s “Xxplosive” to use as a replacement for his drums on “This Can’t Be Life.”
Maybe someone should add this in somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.29.125 ( talk) 15:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be mentioned that he has changed his name to Martin Louis The King Jr.?
Dennin (
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03:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
So the next time there is major news on Kanye that must be added to the article, please do not cite TMZ. Thank you. -- Whip it! Now whip it good! 20:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I think the recent parody of West on South Park ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishsticks_(South_Park) ) would be relevant to add. 207.237.33.36 ( talk) 23:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Come on, adding "It has recently been revealed that Kayne West, is in fact, a Gay Fish." would've been awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.142.193 ( talk) 18:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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I think someone should add that he featured on Kid CuDi's new single "Make Her Say" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.141.176.204 ( talk) 21:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
In 2005 West blurted out on live TV that "President Bush doesn't like black people!" on NBC's A Concert For Hurricane Relief . On ABC's Nightline, he followed up these comments by saying that these comments "changed my life for the better. I think people understood me a little bit more." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.236.215.78 ( talk) 17:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
From the article: In the song "Crack Music", Kanye West rapped, "How [did] we stop the Black Panthers?/Ronald Reagan cooked up an answer," a reference to the conspiracy theory that the Reagan administration intentionally placed crack cocaine in the ghettos of the United States.[68] It is not fair to assume Kanye actually believes this because he rapped it. Especially on a song like this. Later, he suggests George Bush gave Saddam Hussein anthrax. It's certainly possible he believes this, but that's not really for us to decide.-- 68.56.17.70 ( talk) 16:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
It would be helpful if someone could edit this article to clear up a point of confusion. Could there be some text added explaining that Alexis Phifer and Alexis Rainey are two different people (if, indeed, they are)? In the Graduation section, it states that Kanye broke up with Alexis Rainey in May 2007. In the following section, Glow in the Dark Tour, it states "Kanye West and designer Alexis Phifer ended their 18-month engagement in 2008. The couple had been dating on and off since 2002." Was he dating Alexis Rainey while he was engaged to Alexis Phifer? Are they the same person and the dates are incorrect?
Thank you for your consideration.
71.56.35.54 ( talk) 05:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
.. Well, my level of consciousness has since raised. And I actually think that standing up for gays was even more crazy than bad-mouthing the president. In the black community, someone could label you gay and bring your career down. But that was me showing what black people are really about today, or at least what we need to be about.[70]
Article is from February 2002, not October 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.49.152 ( talk) 02:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Why on earth does Kanye redirect here? That's absolutely ridiculous. This man doesn't just use his first name like Madonna or Jewel. There's no reason for it. I believe the town and the name have been around a lot longer than this guy. Sixthcrusifix ( talk) 00:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
well it's been changed again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.137.159 ( talk) 07:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Under Early career it says "West’s sound is featured heavily on Jay-Z's critically acclaimed album The Blueprint 2, released on September 11, 2001." But the 2 shouldn't be there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.31.28 ( talk) 08:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Recently I came across this CD in a discount bin. It sounds like it was genuine Kanye West rare stuff (freestyle, interludes, skits, etc; 18 tracks altogether) but the whole packing and design are a bit hokey. It was released by The Hip Hop Village but at this moment the "products" section on their web is under construction so I can't check. The product bar code is 5060160720519. Any idea what this is? Is it real or fake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.173.30.81 ( talk) 11:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
You guys should add it because i don't know how to but its out with the cover here http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6lV5hzNR1fU/SS-4TpCNyEI/AAAAAAAABlw/EHiUgNfUc88/s400/street+lignts.jpeg and with the video on youtube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WildWolf012 ( talk • contribs) 02:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC) WildWolf012 ( talk) 02:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I think someone should add his voice type to main section. Anyone have any idea what his voice type is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.253.76.110 ( talk) 20:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it really necessary for the Mother's Death section, I mean you don't see Father's death on Jay-Z' Wikipedia page... Although it's widely known that he was very close to his mother and her death may have had a big impact on his new style of music it's kind of weird to include it in his biography.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.176.203 ( talk • contribs) 07:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
It's worth a mention at least. -- 24.46.21.197 ( talk) 05:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
The article states that Kanye's first major label production was on Beanie Sigel's The Truth album, which was released in 2000. However, the Jermaine Dupri album Life in 1472 features a track credited to Kanye, and that was released in 1998 by Columbia Records, so that would be his first major label song in actuality. 98.210.151.12 ( talk) 05:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Kanye West Late Registration 2 - 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.49.111 ( talk) 21:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone proofread this page? I've noticed a few errors that were easily filled with a spellchecker, and while not necessarily incorrect, they weren't correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.255.64.7 ( talk) 20:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone rewrite this sentence? It's great that it contains so many facts, but is terribly difficult to follow: "He handed the mic back to an apparently distraught Swift who was unable to finish her acceptance speech during the live broadcast after West received a negative reaction from the audience." Nikki0x4d ( talk) 02:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I've heard that many of West's songs are ghostwritten. Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamie3039 ( talk • contribs) 14:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
^ Good one! . . . . Not. I have heard the same though. 98.196.78.26 ( talk) 03:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
You need a reliable source. Rumors aren't enough. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 06:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Enough is enough. The article was already semi protected for unconnected vandalism and that should have been enough to prevent this drive by vandalism, but multiple established editors have been engaged in extreme violations of our BLP policy, repeatedly posting content that is defamatory and attacks the subject directly. Please note that the WP:BLP policy applies also to talk pages and posting of such content here or anywhere else will not be tolerated. The full protection can be dropped back to semi once the next big story comes along and people forget about this/calm down. In the mean time use {{editprotected}} to request changes. Mfield ( Oi!) 05:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article note that West admitted he was drunk during his rant after losing at the 2006 VMAs? Here's the link from MTV: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1544794/20061103/west_kanye.jhtml -- Mikeman67 ( talk) 06:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This is just an idea. Maybe, we should just create a page with all of his controversies on it. NeoJustin ( Talk page) 06:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
"We can only hope that soon he will make his last album and then fade gracefully into the shadows only to emerge later with a horrible reality tv show on VH1" - LOL, loving a lot whoever wrote this!
The apology Kanye West made has since been removed from his blog. However, it was preserved here. MatthewKeys ( talk) 07:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
It's remarkably unusual that an artist as controversial as Kanye has no controversy page. Reading this Wikipedia entry looks like the Internet equivalent of a Celebrity headshot. Lots of good stuff, Philanthropy and history that touches on Kanye's hardships and timeline, but not one lick on assorted outbursts, controversy, arrogance or disrespect which precedes the artist. Lack of a controversy page is an afront to Wikipedia. It seems as if the wiki-mods/administrators charged with keeping this page have perverted Wikipedia's high minded goals by failing to make mention of anything which could be construed as negative. That's unfortunate because it cheapens Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.168.231.245 ( talk) 17:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I know that this article is about Kanye West, but there is some information on the Taylor Swift page that I think would improve this article. I'm quoting it below so that it can be added once protection is removed, if you think this is good to add:
Maybe in a shorter version. Loves Macs (talk) 07:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC) I'm thinking this is a one time thing? Nooot. Belonging to the NAACP I believe I can say this; You can take a punk from the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto from the punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobofnaples ( talk • contribs) 14:53, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
When Taylor Swift won for best female video at the 2009 VMA's he got up on stage and took the spotlight away from Taylor by saying Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time, and pretty much that Beyonce deserved that award more than Taylor Swift. For the rest of the show he was booed when his name was brought up, and twitter, myspace, and facebook were flooded with updates about his obnoxious display. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.2.126 ( talk) 02:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I have added a little blurb about what recently happened at the VMAs. I am having a bit of trouble with the formatting. If anyone can help me fix it I would appreciate it. I have a citation going to TMZ's article, but I royally screwed up the citation for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Areusche ( talk • contribs) 03:10, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
== Kanye West bkgo
He recently apologized to Taylor Swift and her mom according to Kanye's blog MatthewKeys ( talk) 12:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
98.88.73.158 ( talk) 04:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)If you would call any statement he made an "apology" then you might as well write in Donald Duck as a candidate for President of the United States. According to the same news source, he removed the blog posting where he apologized. That should be added since it shows how serious he was with his "apology". "West's blog entry has since been removed from his website."-- Matt57 ( talk• contribs) 15:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Apparently a source cloe to Taylor Swift's mother has said that Kenya West made no such apology to the mother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.128.193 ( talk) 02:52, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
It's been said that this was nothing more then a publicity stunt since both Kayne and Taylor share the same agent. Also shortly after this it does appear as if Taylor has alot going on and well putting 2 and 2 together this does have publicity stunt written all over it. These commercial events would never ever permit anything to happen that was unscripted, too much is on the line. Everything that has happened at these award shows are always planned ahead of time.
I wasn't prepared to edit the article since im not sure how credible things are but this link somewhat confirms things. Others may have more information on this. Woods01 ( talk) 00:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
The record of Kanye West's past incidents needs to put in a separate section on his page. The section could be called "Interruptions during Media performances" or something like that to make it prominent. -- Matt57 ( talk• contribs) 16:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Why isn't Kanye's comments about Gretchen at the 2004 Grammy's listed here? this isn't a first for Kanye... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.10.215.230 ( talk) 15:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
(Disclaimer, I didn't know who Kanye West was and came here to find out. So I'm not a hater nor a lover of Kanye, actually pretty indifferent).
That said, this article reads like a fan magazine (Kanye is making his "very first animated television appearance" this fall? Gosh!)
Also, what about all the dated references? "West and Crowley are expected to be arraigned on April 14, 2009". "In September 2005, West announced that he would release his Pastelle Clothing line in spring 2006.... The current status of this project is unknown."
Seriously, fawning crap like this article does not belong in an encyclopedia. Maybe the editorial staff can condense this down to what makes this person important (without the fluff it should make for a very short article). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stewartjk1 ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
It's not his first animated appearance as he was already on South Park! Faethon Ghost ( talk) 17:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The Fame Kills Starring: Lady Gaga dn Kanye West Tour —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdhnvegas ( talk • contribs) 22:01, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Source: Politico Grundle2600 ( talk) 02:09, 15 September 2009 (UTC) RS. Nevard ( talk) 09:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Cant we club all his controversies under one heading? Just like it is for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick#Incidents.2C_criminal_troubles?
-- Jayanthv86 ( talk) 04:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
-- 69.143.235.193 ( talk) 04:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I AGREE with previous comment. i was surprised there wasn't such a section. Please add 64.113.101.29 ( talk) 06:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
{{ Editprotected}} FWIW, he's officially apologized to Taylor Swift personally now, after her appearance on The View. Ref: Taylor Swift: Kanye West Called, 'Was Very Sincere in His Apology'. For those allowed to edit this article. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 18:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of Obama's response to this? [2] Richard ( talk) 06:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if Obama's comment is particularly relevant. Obama is a famous politician. But as far as music and other people go, he's as good a judge as anyone else. He's not a music critic or a psychologist. JBFrenchhorn ( talk) 08:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
It's as relevant as any other celebrity's comments which are fair game. I'll add it if nobody else does when this is unprotected. Brianrusso ( talk) 15:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
He's not a "famous politician," he is the president of the United States. There are few people who are more notable than that. Maybe if the Pope commented on this. Xizer ( talk) 15:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I think it should probably be included in both articles. It shows the extent of incident and has become part of it. There is no hurry here, and I don't want to include too much recency bias, but I think it will become and remain clear that this is an essential element of the incident. Savidan 16:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be an "In Pop Culture" section that discusses references to Kanye West in other pop culture areas?
This would at least include the South Park episode and his response. MattThePuppetGuy ( talk) 19:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The full protection is due to expire in a few hours but I will drop the protection back to semi now so that established editors can work on it per the above indicated consensus. Please note that this will only last IF there is not a resumption of the torrent of slanderous, racist abuse being added to the article by long time/autoconfirmed editors. Also no one wants to see an edit war develop over what is likely to be a controversial section. Care must be taken to adhere to WP:UNDUE and disputes should be worked out here.
Once again, as ever BLP violations and attacks can and will not be tolerated, the rights of the article subject not to be defamed will and must always trump the rights of editors to edit this page, and re-protection will be the likely outcome. Mfield ( Oi!) 22:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Alright, first things first, since this is going to be quite a project... I'm going to list all the controversies that are scattered through the article here, and we can take it from there. There are a lot, so I need some help with what exactly should go in the section, what should stay where it is, etc. Also, as pointed out above, the article is somewhat structured around the controversy at points, and some of the sections are going to be renamed, combined, or something. I want opinions on this before I make any drastic changes. --- Debollweevil ( talk) 13:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
===Public Controversies===
Kanye West has had a number of controversies in his career. On September 2, 2005, during a benefit concert for Hurricane Katrina relief on NBC, A Concert for Hurricane Relief, West was a featured speaker. Controversy arose when West was presenting, as he deviated from the prepared script. [2] The actor Mike Myers, with whom West was paired to present, spoke next and continued to read the script. Once it was West's turn to speak again, he said "George Bush doesn't care about black people." At this point, telethon producer Rick Kaplan cut off the microphone and then cut away to Chris Tucker, who was unaware of the cut for a few seconds. Still, West's comment reached much of the United States.. [3]
In January 2006, West again sparked controversy when he appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone in the image of Jesus wearing a crown of thorns. [4]
Later in 2006, Kanye had his first of a number of incidents involving music award events. After the 2006 Grammy nominations were released, West said he would "really have a problem" if he didn't win the Album of the Year, saying "I don't care what I do, I don't care how much I stunt — you can never take away from the amount of work I put into it. I don't want to hear all of that politically correct stuff." [5] On November 2, 2006, when his "Touch the Sky" failed to win Best Video at the MTV Europe Music Awards, West went onto the stage as the award was being presented to Justice and Simian for "We Are Your Friends" and argued that he should have won the award instead. [6] [7] Hundreds of news outlets worldwide criticized the outburst. On November 7, 2006, West apologized for this outburst publicly during his performance as support act for U2 for their Vertigo concert in Brisbane, Australia. [8] He later spoofed the incident in the season premiere of Saturday Night Live's 33rd season. In September 2007, West suggested that his race had to do with his being overlooked for opening the MTV Video Music Awards in favor of Britney Spears; he claimed, "Maybe my skin’s not right." [9] The date was September 9, 2007, and West Was performing at the event. On that night, he lost all 5 awards that he was nominated for, including Best Male Artist and Video of the Year. After the show, he was visibly upset that he had lost at the VMAs 2 years in a row, stating that he would not come back to MTV ever again. He also appeared on several radio stations saying that when he made the song "Stronger" that it was his dream to open the VMAs with it. He has also stated that Britney Spears hasn't had a hit in a long period of time and that MTV exploited her for ratings. [10]
In December 2006, Robert "Evel" Knievel sued West for trademark infringement in West's video for "Touch the Sky." Knievel took issue with a "sexually-charged video" in which West takes on the persona of "Evel Kanyevel" and attempts flying a rocket over a canyon. The suit filed in federal court claims infringement on his trademarked name and likeness. Knievel also claims the "vulgar and offensive" images depicted in the video damage his reputation. The suit seeks damages and to stop distribution of the video. [11] Knievel eventually settled the suit in November 2007, just days before his death.
On September 13, 2009, during the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards (VMA's), while Taylor Swift was accepting her award for Best Female Video, West went on stage and grabbed the microphone to proclaim that Beyoncé's video for "Single Ladies", nominated for the same award, was "one of the best videos of all time". This caused a negative reaction from the crowd; West handed the microphone back to a stunned and reportedly upset Swift, who did not finish her acceptance speech. He was subsequently removed from the remainder of the show for his actions. [12] [13] [14] When Beyoncé later won the award for Best Video of the Year for "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)", she called Swift up on stage so that she could finish her acceptance speech. [12] West was criticized by various celebrities for the outburst, [13] [15] [16] [17] [18] and by President Obama, who pronounced West a "jackass" in an " off the record" comment. [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] West posted two apologies on his blog, one the night of the incident and the other the same day he appeared on The Jay Leno Show, on September 14, 2009, where he apologized again. [16] [24] After Swift appeared on The View two days after the outburst, partly to discuss the matter, West called her to apologize personally. Swift said she accepted his apology. [25] [26] [27]
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I just added a reference to Jimmy Carter's criticism of West's actions at the 2009 VMA ceremony, after the reference to Obama's criticism. Hard to know if this is sufficiently important to keep. Let's see what others think. But being criticized by one current president and one former president seems noteworthy to me. How many pop stars have received such attention?? Omccreary ( talk) 14:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
While work is happening, why dont some editors take the article to FA? Aaroncrick ( talk) 04:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh great. We're rolling back to the bad old days of endless "controversy" sections that pander to those too lazy to read through the article and that violate WP:NPOV! If West should be known as much for his controversial personal life as much as his music career, then that's more of an argument that information about his controversies should be included within main sections rather than forked out in a section to incite dislike for him. (And I wonder why there's no section about his personal life that discusses his brief relationships with Amber Rose and that other woman whose name I don't know. The personal life section can host some information about West's bad behavior like the September 2008 airport paparazzi incident.) Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 06:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
See these pages for why controversy sections are not really neutral:
Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 06:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
There is one controversy that has been missed by the above suggestion, but relates to one already listed. My personal suggestion is to add an edit to this part of the section, so that it reads thusly...
In January 2006, West again sparked controversy when he appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone in the image of Jesus wearing a crown of thorns. [28] Later, in February of that same year, West is reported to have claimed that he should be a character in the Bible. [29]
Lord Barrius ( talk) 18:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
This is kind of interesting. It says Taylor and Knowles have the same agent and insinuates that the VMA interruption was a publicity stunt. It compares the incident to the earlier supposed quarrel between West and 50 Cent. Believe me that I know absolutely nothing about this stuff and had no idea who these people were before the ruckus broke out, but a little bit of web searching corroborates the 50 Cent story, probably enough to mention in the article. 67.122.211.205 ( talk) 03:03, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Again, see WP:TALK. Unless it's directly related to the article itself, this is inappropriate. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 04:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the fact that he is a motherfucking genius, a lyrical wordsmith, the voice of a generation? Einstein's article mentions that he is a genius. Shouldn't articles pertaining to geniuses like Kanye include that in the opening paragraph. Plottoday87 ( talk) 05:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I mentioned Travisharlem's biased edits above; these edits are meant to keep as much negative information about West out of this article as possible. Removing sourced material that is the consensus version is most definitely vandalism; he cannot remove this stuff simply because he does not like it. He is removing very relevant information. The crowd reacted negatively is all well-sourced and very relevant. The fact that West gave the microphone back to a stunned and reportedly upset Swift is well-sourced and very relevant (we know she was upset!). All of West's apologies are well-sourced and very relevant (they are not even negative, no matter showing just how "desperate" he was for forgiveness). As for the "jackass" mention by Barack Obama, most editors are for that mention; they will keep adding it back. I did not include it when I constructed the paragraph about West's 2009 MTV Video Music Awards outburst (though I did include that West was criticized by Obama), but it was added in. And it was added back by someone else after Travisharlem first removed it. Additionally, we do not point to a main article in the way that he did in the middle of a section; that is not proper Wikipedia formatting. He basically called me a vandal simply for reinstating the consensus (and, in this case, better) version of an article. If he was talking about my removal of the YouTube source. Well, I was correct in that removal. YouTube is typically considered unreliable by Wikipedia. Here is a discussion about this: Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 36#Youtube as a source. There have been plenty of debates/discussions about its use here at Wikipedia. Either way, Travisharlem basically calling me a vandal was completely uncalled for, and I suggest he see WP:CIVIL.
To document in text what WP:Consensus is on this matter, I brought it here for discussion. Do we go with my version...or Travisharlem's version? Flyer22 ( talk) 05:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I ask that some of the people watching/editing this article comment on this. I am asking for opinions, so that consensus can be documented in text. That is all. Flyer22 ( talk) 06:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I think the VMA controversy should definitely be included; the little link to the main article can direct people if they want to read more, but like just about every other case I see of the main article function being used, and like it makes sense to do, the part regarding the topic should be explained as well as giving the main article link.
The putting of "arrests" in the title of that section I thought was a good idea too, but it certainly can be debated either way. That section was, even before I touched it, mainly about two arrest incidents. --- Debollweevil ( talk) 14:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I am not seeing it as necessary to have this article completely locked down again at this time...unless enough people are not watching this article to revert the vandalism quick enough. There was a little recent vandalism, but we took care of it (not super quickly, but not super late either). The vandalism has not stopped? Well, of course we are not going to be able to stop vandalism completely in regards to this article and a lot of other Wikipedia articles...not so long as others beside administrators can edit. But the vandalism while on semi-protection was not so out of hand that we needed this article fully protected again, this time until October 16, 2009. Flyer22 ( talk) 04:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
On a good note, this provides me with a good break from editing this article (LOL). Flyer22 ( talk) 04:35, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
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there are many other better and cooler pictures of Kanye West... That is a bad picture, and it makes him look funny. You should really change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.113.5 ( talk) 19:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
He is funny! He actually thinks he will be remembered as an artist when in fact people will remember him for his bloated ego and the sore loser attitude! -- 142.161.216.128 ( talk) 18:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Exuse me. I thought the idea od wikipedia was to inform peoplr about facts, not personal opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.105.240 ( talk) 01:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC) dont hate,kanye is well on his way 2 being a legend and his music is ground breaking and last i checked its ok to have a big ego aslong as you can back it up and boy can he back it up (plus he'z hot) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.28.70 ( talk) 06:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
This picture is not gay enough or fishy enough.-- 142.161.216.128 ( talk) 18:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rileysan ( talk • contribs)
Can i know where's the source that his real name is Dave East???? This is big blows because in every page that i search on the web, his real name is Kanye Omari West. Strange. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.81.36.112 ( talk) 15:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I think it's rubbish, because the pronounciation box next to it is for 'Kanye'. So somone must have changed it recently. 5150emergency ( talk) 16:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Have checked history of the page and his name and year of birth were both recently changed. Can someone revert them back please as i can't because it's a semi-protected page. 5150emergency ( talk) 16:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Must have been some vandal. Probably put "East" since it's opposite of West. Not sure where Dave came from NakaXeta ( talk) 01:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
is it notable that kayne has been working with britney spears ? TomSkillingJr.
the article states a WAY more positive view of his verse, which is actually a small jab at the ambiguity of the song (his first line is "Now I dunno what the hell this song is talkin' bout. Do you?") and the general style of fall out boy. he does complement them though on the fact that they 'raced straight to the top,' but it's a rather biased point of view. it's pretty minor, but it was noticeable to me. tard nuggets.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fahimi ( talk • contribs) 23:13, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
Kayne West Live in Tomball Texas with three white kids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.129.20 ( talk) 17:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
This line: "In September 2007, West suggested that his race had to do with his being overlooked for opening the MTV Video Music Awards in favor of Britney Spears; he claimed, "Maybe my skin’s not right."
Needs to be changed to this:
"In September 2007, West suggested that his race had to do with him being overlooked for opening the MTV Video Music Awards in favor of Britney Spears; he claimed, "Maybe my skin’s not right."
A small spelling mistake
I'm getting annoyed at the fact that everything bad about Kanye West keeps being removed. Here's the quote
“If it wasn’t for race mixing there’d be no video girls. Me and most of our friends like mutts a lot. Yeah, in the hood they call ‘em mutts”.
Here's the sites it was listed on. It did cause a stir amongst some black and mixed folks, hence why I know about it in the UK. http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.4685/title.kanye-west-calls-mixed-girls-mutts http://www.mediatakeout.com/Exclusives/Kanye_Mutt.html http://www.intermix.org.uk/news/news_061206_01.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Invertedzero ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.
-- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 23:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Just been reading this article and it says:
'In May 2007, West split from long-time model girlfriend Alexis Rainey.'
and then later on in the article:
'Kanye West and designer Alex Phifer ended their 18-month engagement in 2008. The couple had been dating on and off since 2002, with Kanye eventually proposing in August 2006.'
How could he have proposed in August 2006 if he only split from Alexis Rainey in May 2007? Or is that correct? Just wanted to mention it in case it is an error... 5150emergency ( talk) 16:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Err...don't you mean Alexis Phifer, (not Alexis Rainey), bearing in mind his girlfriend prior & during his College Dropout era was Sumeke Rainey. Adaobi YELL!! done 20:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to point out that we need to re-organize the structure of the article. Contoversies should be in the same paragraph, mother's death should be integrated in one of the paragraphs to be intact with the chronology of the events, and Awards sections needs something else other than "Main article:". Daniil Maslyuk ( talk) 06:08, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
This section reads too much like journalistic tabloid coverage, not an encyclopedia article. Who cares about whether the doctor left the first TV interview, or who introduced who to whom? That is not of long-term interest.-- Parkwells ( talk) 12:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Can someone (who is better at wiki editing than me) add some info on the whole Bonnaroo thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.169.46 ( talk) 00:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
ummm dylan campbell is his greatest fan :P kanye rules!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.53.192 ( talk) 01:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Regular wikipedians should add aliases for rappers into their articles. Kanye is often referred to as Yeezy, Jay-Z often known as Hova, Hov, etc. But none of this information is ever placed in the articles. 92.9.180.80 ( talk) 23:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Great example of Wikipedia's inflexibility. It wouldn't be a collection of lists, but rappers are fairly exceptional in their usage of these aliases, since they're used so very often. Oh well. 92.12.22.16 ( talk) 19:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
He's not the only one to call himself "Yeezy" but even if he were I think it would be favorable to include those nicknames in the article. My reason being I know Kanye very well by those nicknames as well as other people and it would be acknowledgeable information to include. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavz4life ( talk • contribs) 01:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
There are a number of references to Kanye West by his aliases "Yeezy" and "The Louis Vitton Don" in print and online publications. Examples in Rolling Stone (
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10732900/people_of_the_year_2004_kanye_west/print) and MTV(
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1584891/20080404/west_kanye.jhtml &
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1596254/20081003/common.jhtml). These nicknames are used comparably to the monikers "the queen of pop" for Madonna which is listed on her page.
Also, the Jim Morrison page, for example, cites also known as names. Clearly, no one would walk up to him on the street and address him as Mr. Mojo Risin', and yet it warranted inclusion in that page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.89.42.34 ( talk) 15:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Someone should write two or three sentences about Kanye and the CRS. I think in this article you must be hinted at the fact that West is founder and part of this group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.249.189 ( talk) 19:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I really don't think that in the song Roses when he said that about Magic Johnson having a cure for HIV that he was saying that his grandmother had AIDS. The line was to point out that when regular people get sick, we don't get the same treatment as the folks with money.
I have heard rumors about a new album stirred up and I think if it should be anywhere it should be on Wikipedia first so if anyone knows..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavz4life ( talk • contribs) 01:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
i have a source its mtv i will pull up the article the first single is "Love Lockdown" drops on Itunes Monday
http://www.mtv.co.uk/channel/mtvuk/news/443833-jay-z-kanye-west-announce-singles
This morning, Kanye was arrested after getting into an altercation at the airport with paparazzi http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/11/kanye.west.arrested/index.html -- Crackthewhip775 ( talk) 19:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
There he is nearly getting into another scuffle with a paparazzo this time http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b32421_A_New_Kanye_Encounter_of_the_Paparazzi_Kind.html . Would it be alright to add it in the arrest section, especially it happened so soon after the infamous airport brawl? The police isn't pressing any charges on this one, by the way. -- Crackthewhip775 ( talk) 01:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyone else think the bottom of Kanye's "Life and Career" needs to be split into "(2008 – Present)"?
It's just that "(2007 – Present)" is starting to get pretty big, especially in comparison to other years.
- Mysteryham (
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kanye is featured in a single by rhymefest called "brand new" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.118.129 ( talk) 03:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
there are a lot of sentences that need to be changed from a future tense to past tense. An example is in his political views section that ". . . west [is] scheduled to perform at the 20008 DNC in Denver." Just stuff of that nature that i cannot fix since the article is protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.78.26 ( talk) 21:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Fifth Studio Album, release June 09? Is This even true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.88.22 ( talk) 18:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
stated in an article its "Winter Spring Summer Fall" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.115.51 ( talk) 19:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I was browsing for information pertaining to "the winner" cd that is available on amazon currently. There doesn't seem to be any info and was wondering if someone could add some info about this cd? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.209.74.243 ( talk) 19:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
This article makes no mention of his 2006 album Freshman Adjustment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.248.126 ( talk) 14:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
It was a mixtape from what i know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.160.17.23 ( talk) 18:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I was just wondering why there isn't anything about his car accident since it nearly cost him his life and kind of changed his outlook on life? There is all this stuff about controversies and arrest and political sides, but no where is it mentioned that the guy almost died. Not even a little piece, i know people want to know about the more interesting things such as when he rants, or gets into fights at airports but cmon not even a sentence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ELREY34 ( talk • contribs) 19:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Should definitely be mentioned. Scroll down to the page for reference. source. -- Hevosen ( talk) 20:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Honestly, this dude must have a problem. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i6jM6Ew2aZzgEa6d-4OeYtb5XEWQ -- Crackthewhip775 ( talk) 22:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Why on earth does the word Kanye redirect to this page? I don't care how great the guy is or how many people probably mean him when they search for Kanye; it's silly. If he only used his first name I'd understand (E.G. Madonna) but he doesn't so what's the point? Sixthcrusifix ( talk) 08:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I think: He was later relased "with no further action", according to a police spokesperson. was meant to be spelled: He was later rel eased "with no further action", according to a police spokesperson. - Gideondk ( talk) 01:42, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
it says its in 2009, but it is JUNE 2009. i think thats important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.184.64.152 ( talk) 16:46, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
The article is confusing about his relationships and engagements. Also, I believe that the names are confused. His girlfriends were Alexis Phifer and Sumeke Rainey I believe, not Alexis Rainey. Cartman005 ( talk) 04:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Text reading:
Arrests
On September 11, 2008, West and his road manager/bodyguard Don Crowley were arrested at Los Angeles International Airport and booked on charges of felony vandalism after an altercation with the paparazzi[79] in which West and Crowley broke the photographers camera's.
should read:
Arrests
On September 11, 2008, West and his road manager/bodyguard Don Crowley were arrested at Los Angeles International Airport and booked on charges of felony vandalism after an altercation with the paparazzi[79] in which West and Crowley broke the photographers cameras.
New user so unable to amend grammatical error.
Pipcell ( talk) 13:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
First off, i clicked on the link to view the info and it was true. "He promises to release another album in 2009" Second, it does NOT give an album title. The College Alumni is false. I suggest that someone removes the title on this page and change it to "Untitled" or "TBA" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.143.169.17 ( talk) 19:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
[1] I guess the question is, will it stick? Should this be added to the article? -- abfackeln ( talk) 04:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Why does it start with Christian American. Shouldn't it be american or even african american?
Sharmenator ( talk) 06:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)sharmenator
Why does it start with Christian American. Shouldn't it be american or even african american?
Sharmenator ( talk) 06:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)sharmenator
This is noteworthy from last.fm profile http://www.last.fm/music/Kanye+West/+wiki
West’s style of production often utilizes pitched-up vocal samples, usually from soul songs, with his own drums and instruments. The first major label song he produced was The Truth by Beanie Sigel, and his first major release featuring his trademark vocal sampling style was “This Can’t Be Life,” a track from Jay-Z’s The Dynasty: Roc La Familia. West said he sped up the drum beat of Dr. Dre’s “Xxplosive” to use as a replacement for his drums on “This Can’t Be Life.”
Maybe someone should add this in somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.29.125 ( talk) 15:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be mentioned that he has changed his name to Martin Louis The King Jr.?
Dennin (
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So the next time there is major news on Kanye that must be added to the article, please do not cite TMZ. Thank you. -- Whip it! Now whip it good! 20:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I think the recent parody of West on South Park ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishsticks_(South_Park) ) would be relevant to add. 207.237.33.36 ( talk) 23:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Come on, adding "It has recently been revealed that Kayne West, is in fact, a Gay Fish." would've been awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.142.193 ( talk) 18:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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I think someone should add that he featured on Kid CuDi's new single "Make Her Say" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.141.176.204 ( talk) 21:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
In 2005 West blurted out on live TV that "President Bush doesn't like black people!" on NBC's A Concert For Hurricane Relief . On ABC's Nightline, he followed up these comments by saying that these comments "changed my life for the better. I think people understood me a little bit more." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.236.215.78 ( talk) 17:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
From the article: In the song "Crack Music", Kanye West rapped, "How [did] we stop the Black Panthers?/Ronald Reagan cooked up an answer," a reference to the conspiracy theory that the Reagan administration intentionally placed crack cocaine in the ghettos of the United States.[68] It is not fair to assume Kanye actually believes this because he rapped it. Especially on a song like this. Later, he suggests George Bush gave Saddam Hussein anthrax. It's certainly possible he believes this, but that's not really for us to decide.-- 68.56.17.70 ( talk) 16:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
It would be helpful if someone could edit this article to clear up a point of confusion. Could there be some text added explaining that Alexis Phifer and Alexis Rainey are two different people (if, indeed, they are)? In the Graduation section, it states that Kanye broke up with Alexis Rainey in May 2007. In the following section, Glow in the Dark Tour, it states "Kanye West and designer Alexis Phifer ended their 18-month engagement in 2008. The couple had been dating on and off since 2002." Was he dating Alexis Rainey while he was engaged to Alexis Phifer? Are they the same person and the dates are incorrect?
Thank you for your consideration.
71.56.35.54 ( talk) 05:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
.. Well, my level of consciousness has since raised. And I actually think that standing up for gays was even more crazy than bad-mouthing the president. In the black community, someone could label you gay and bring your career down. But that was me showing what black people are really about today, or at least what we need to be about.[70]
Article is from February 2002, not October 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.49.152 ( talk) 02:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Why on earth does Kanye redirect here? That's absolutely ridiculous. This man doesn't just use his first name like Madonna or Jewel. There's no reason for it. I believe the town and the name have been around a lot longer than this guy. Sixthcrusifix ( talk) 00:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
well it's been changed again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.137.159 ( talk) 07:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Under Early career it says "West’s sound is featured heavily on Jay-Z's critically acclaimed album The Blueprint 2, released on September 11, 2001." But the 2 shouldn't be there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.31.28 ( talk) 08:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Recently I came across this CD in a discount bin. It sounds like it was genuine Kanye West rare stuff (freestyle, interludes, skits, etc; 18 tracks altogether) but the whole packing and design are a bit hokey. It was released by The Hip Hop Village but at this moment the "products" section on their web is under construction so I can't check. The product bar code is 5060160720519. Any idea what this is? Is it real or fake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.173.30.81 ( talk) 11:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
You guys should add it because i don't know how to but its out with the cover here http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6lV5hzNR1fU/SS-4TpCNyEI/AAAAAAAABlw/EHiUgNfUc88/s400/street+lignts.jpeg and with the video on youtube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WildWolf012 ( talk • contribs) 02:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC) WildWolf012 ( talk) 02:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I think someone should add his voice type to main section. Anyone have any idea what his voice type is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.253.76.110 ( talk) 20:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it really necessary for the Mother's Death section, I mean you don't see Father's death on Jay-Z' Wikipedia page... Although it's widely known that he was very close to his mother and her death may have had a big impact on his new style of music it's kind of weird to include it in his biography.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.176.203 ( talk • contribs) 07:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
It's worth a mention at least. -- 24.46.21.197 ( talk) 05:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
The article states that Kanye's first major label production was on Beanie Sigel's The Truth album, which was released in 2000. However, the Jermaine Dupri album Life in 1472 features a track credited to Kanye, and that was released in 1998 by Columbia Records, so that would be his first major label song in actuality. 98.210.151.12 ( talk) 05:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Kanye West Late Registration 2 - 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.49.111 ( talk) 21:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone proofread this page? I've noticed a few errors that were easily filled with a spellchecker, and while not necessarily incorrect, they weren't correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.255.64.7 ( talk) 20:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone rewrite this sentence? It's great that it contains so many facts, but is terribly difficult to follow: "He handed the mic back to an apparently distraught Swift who was unable to finish her acceptance speech during the live broadcast after West received a negative reaction from the audience." Nikki0x4d ( talk) 02:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I've heard that many of West's songs are ghostwritten. Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamie3039 ( talk • contribs) 14:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
^ Good one! . . . . Not. I have heard the same though. 98.196.78.26 ( talk) 03:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
You need a reliable source. Rumors aren't enough. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 06:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Enough is enough. The article was already semi protected for unconnected vandalism and that should have been enough to prevent this drive by vandalism, but multiple established editors have been engaged in extreme violations of our BLP policy, repeatedly posting content that is defamatory and attacks the subject directly. Please note that the WP:BLP policy applies also to talk pages and posting of such content here or anywhere else will not be tolerated. The full protection can be dropped back to semi once the next big story comes along and people forget about this/calm down. In the mean time use {{editprotected}} to request changes. Mfield ( Oi!) 05:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article note that West admitted he was drunk during his rant after losing at the 2006 VMAs? Here's the link from MTV: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1544794/20061103/west_kanye.jhtml -- Mikeman67 ( talk) 06:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This is just an idea. Maybe, we should just create a page with all of his controversies on it. NeoJustin ( Talk page) 06:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
"We can only hope that soon he will make his last album and then fade gracefully into the shadows only to emerge later with a horrible reality tv show on VH1" - LOL, loving a lot whoever wrote this!
The apology Kanye West made has since been removed from his blog. However, it was preserved here. MatthewKeys ( talk) 07:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
It's remarkably unusual that an artist as controversial as Kanye has no controversy page. Reading this Wikipedia entry looks like the Internet equivalent of a Celebrity headshot. Lots of good stuff, Philanthropy and history that touches on Kanye's hardships and timeline, but not one lick on assorted outbursts, controversy, arrogance or disrespect which precedes the artist. Lack of a controversy page is an afront to Wikipedia. It seems as if the wiki-mods/administrators charged with keeping this page have perverted Wikipedia's high minded goals by failing to make mention of anything which could be construed as negative. That's unfortunate because it cheapens Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.168.231.245 ( talk) 17:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I know that this article is about Kanye West, but there is some information on the Taylor Swift page that I think would improve this article. I'm quoting it below so that it can be added once protection is removed, if you think this is good to add:
Maybe in a shorter version. Loves Macs (talk) 07:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC) I'm thinking this is a one time thing? Nooot. Belonging to the NAACP I believe I can say this; You can take a punk from the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto from the punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobofnaples ( talk • contribs) 14:53, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
When Taylor Swift won for best female video at the 2009 VMA's he got up on stage and took the spotlight away from Taylor by saying Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time, and pretty much that Beyonce deserved that award more than Taylor Swift. For the rest of the show he was booed when his name was brought up, and twitter, myspace, and facebook were flooded with updates about his obnoxious display. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.2.126 ( talk) 02:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I have added a little blurb about what recently happened at the VMAs. I am having a bit of trouble with the formatting. If anyone can help me fix it I would appreciate it. I have a citation going to TMZ's article, but I royally screwed up the citation for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Areusche ( talk • contribs) 03:10, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
== Kanye West bkgo
He recently apologized to Taylor Swift and her mom according to Kanye's blog MatthewKeys ( talk) 12:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
98.88.73.158 ( talk) 04:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)If you would call any statement he made an "apology" then you might as well write in Donald Duck as a candidate for President of the United States. According to the same news source, he removed the blog posting where he apologized. That should be added since it shows how serious he was with his "apology". "West's blog entry has since been removed from his website."-- Matt57 ( talk• contribs) 15:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Apparently a source cloe to Taylor Swift's mother has said that Kenya West made no such apology to the mother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.128.193 ( talk) 02:52, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
It's been said that this was nothing more then a publicity stunt since both Kayne and Taylor share the same agent. Also shortly after this it does appear as if Taylor has alot going on and well putting 2 and 2 together this does have publicity stunt written all over it. These commercial events would never ever permit anything to happen that was unscripted, too much is on the line. Everything that has happened at these award shows are always planned ahead of time.
I wasn't prepared to edit the article since im not sure how credible things are but this link somewhat confirms things. Others may have more information on this. Woods01 ( talk) 00:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
The record of Kanye West's past incidents needs to put in a separate section on his page. The section could be called "Interruptions during Media performances" or something like that to make it prominent. -- Matt57 ( talk• contribs) 16:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Why isn't Kanye's comments about Gretchen at the 2004 Grammy's listed here? this isn't a first for Kanye... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.10.215.230 ( talk) 15:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
(Disclaimer, I didn't know who Kanye West was and came here to find out. So I'm not a hater nor a lover of Kanye, actually pretty indifferent).
That said, this article reads like a fan magazine (Kanye is making his "very first animated television appearance" this fall? Gosh!)
Also, what about all the dated references? "West and Crowley are expected to be arraigned on April 14, 2009". "In September 2005, West announced that he would release his Pastelle Clothing line in spring 2006.... The current status of this project is unknown."
Seriously, fawning crap like this article does not belong in an encyclopedia. Maybe the editorial staff can condense this down to what makes this person important (without the fluff it should make for a very short article). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stewartjk1 ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
It's not his first animated appearance as he was already on South Park! Faethon Ghost ( talk) 17:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The Fame Kills Starring: Lady Gaga dn Kanye West Tour —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdhnvegas ( talk • contribs) 22:01, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Source: Politico Grundle2600 ( talk) 02:09, 15 September 2009 (UTC) RS. Nevard ( talk) 09:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Cant we club all his controversies under one heading? Just like it is for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick#Incidents.2C_criminal_troubles?
-- Jayanthv86 ( talk) 04:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
-- 69.143.235.193 ( talk) 04:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I AGREE with previous comment. i was surprised there wasn't such a section. Please add 64.113.101.29 ( talk) 06:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
{{ Editprotected}} FWIW, he's officially apologized to Taylor Swift personally now, after her appearance on The View. Ref: Taylor Swift: Kanye West Called, 'Was Very Sincere in His Apology'. For those allowed to edit this article. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 18:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of Obama's response to this? [2] Richard ( talk) 06:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if Obama's comment is particularly relevant. Obama is a famous politician. But as far as music and other people go, he's as good a judge as anyone else. He's not a music critic or a psychologist. JBFrenchhorn ( talk) 08:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
It's as relevant as any other celebrity's comments which are fair game. I'll add it if nobody else does when this is unprotected. Brianrusso ( talk) 15:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
He's not a "famous politician," he is the president of the United States. There are few people who are more notable than that. Maybe if the Pope commented on this. Xizer ( talk) 15:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I think it should probably be included in both articles. It shows the extent of incident and has become part of it. There is no hurry here, and I don't want to include too much recency bias, but I think it will become and remain clear that this is an essential element of the incident. Savidan 16:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be an "In Pop Culture" section that discusses references to Kanye West in other pop culture areas?
This would at least include the South Park episode and his response. MattThePuppetGuy ( talk) 19:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The full protection is due to expire in a few hours but I will drop the protection back to semi now so that established editors can work on it per the above indicated consensus. Please note that this will only last IF there is not a resumption of the torrent of slanderous, racist abuse being added to the article by long time/autoconfirmed editors. Also no one wants to see an edit war develop over what is likely to be a controversial section. Care must be taken to adhere to WP:UNDUE and disputes should be worked out here.
Once again, as ever BLP violations and attacks can and will not be tolerated, the rights of the article subject not to be defamed will and must always trump the rights of editors to edit this page, and re-protection will be the likely outcome. Mfield ( Oi!) 22:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Alright, first things first, since this is going to be quite a project... I'm going to list all the controversies that are scattered through the article here, and we can take it from there. There are a lot, so I need some help with what exactly should go in the section, what should stay where it is, etc. Also, as pointed out above, the article is somewhat structured around the controversy at points, and some of the sections are going to be renamed, combined, or something. I want opinions on this before I make any drastic changes. --- Debollweevil ( talk) 13:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
===Public Controversies===
Kanye West has had a number of controversies in his career. On September 2, 2005, during a benefit concert for Hurricane Katrina relief on NBC, A Concert for Hurricane Relief, West was a featured speaker. Controversy arose when West was presenting, as he deviated from the prepared script. [2] The actor Mike Myers, with whom West was paired to present, spoke next and continued to read the script. Once it was West's turn to speak again, he said "George Bush doesn't care about black people." At this point, telethon producer Rick Kaplan cut off the microphone and then cut away to Chris Tucker, who was unaware of the cut for a few seconds. Still, West's comment reached much of the United States.. [3]
In January 2006, West again sparked controversy when he appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone in the image of Jesus wearing a crown of thorns. [4]
Later in 2006, Kanye had his first of a number of incidents involving music award events. After the 2006 Grammy nominations were released, West said he would "really have a problem" if he didn't win the Album of the Year, saying "I don't care what I do, I don't care how much I stunt — you can never take away from the amount of work I put into it. I don't want to hear all of that politically correct stuff." [5] On November 2, 2006, when his "Touch the Sky" failed to win Best Video at the MTV Europe Music Awards, West went onto the stage as the award was being presented to Justice and Simian for "We Are Your Friends" and argued that he should have won the award instead. [6] [7] Hundreds of news outlets worldwide criticized the outburst. On November 7, 2006, West apologized for this outburst publicly during his performance as support act for U2 for their Vertigo concert in Brisbane, Australia. [8] He later spoofed the incident in the season premiere of Saturday Night Live's 33rd season. In September 2007, West suggested that his race had to do with his being overlooked for opening the MTV Video Music Awards in favor of Britney Spears; he claimed, "Maybe my skin’s not right." [9] The date was September 9, 2007, and West Was performing at the event. On that night, he lost all 5 awards that he was nominated for, including Best Male Artist and Video of the Year. After the show, he was visibly upset that he had lost at the VMAs 2 years in a row, stating that he would not come back to MTV ever again. He also appeared on several radio stations saying that when he made the song "Stronger" that it was his dream to open the VMAs with it. He has also stated that Britney Spears hasn't had a hit in a long period of time and that MTV exploited her for ratings. [10]
In December 2006, Robert "Evel" Knievel sued West for trademark infringement in West's video for "Touch the Sky." Knievel took issue with a "sexually-charged video" in which West takes on the persona of "Evel Kanyevel" and attempts flying a rocket over a canyon. The suit filed in federal court claims infringement on his trademarked name and likeness. Knievel also claims the "vulgar and offensive" images depicted in the video damage his reputation. The suit seeks damages and to stop distribution of the video. [11] Knievel eventually settled the suit in November 2007, just days before his death.
On September 13, 2009, during the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards (VMA's), while Taylor Swift was accepting her award for Best Female Video, West went on stage and grabbed the microphone to proclaim that Beyoncé's video for "Single Ladies", nominated for the same award, was "one of the best videos of all time". This caused a negative reaction from the crowd; West handed the microphone back to a stunned and reportedly upset Swift, who did not finish her acceptance speech. He was subsequently removed from the remainder of the show for his actions. [12] [13] [14] When Beyoncé later won the award for Best Video of the Year for "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)", she called Swift up on stage so that she could finish her acceptance speech. [12] West was criticized by various celebrities for the outburst, [13] [15] [16] [17] [18] and by President Obama, who pronounced West a "jackass" in an " off the record" comment. [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] West posted two apologies on his blog, one the night of the incident and the other the same day he appeared on The Jay Leno Show, on September 14, 2009, where he apologized again. [16] [24] After Swift appeared on The View two days after the outburst, partly to discuss the matter, West called her to apologize personally. Swift said she accepted his apology. [25] [26] [27]
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I just added a reference to Jimmy Carter's criticism of West's actions at the 2009 VMA ceremony, after the reference to Obama's criticism. Hard to know if this is sufficiently important to keep. Let's see what others think. But being criticized by one current president and one former president seems noteworthy to me. How many pop stars have received such attention?? Omccreary ( talk) 14:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
While work is happening, why dont some editors take the article to FA? Aaroncrick ( talk) 04:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh great. We're rolling back to the bad old days of endless "controversy" sections that pander to those too lazy to read through the article and that violate WP:NPOV! If West should be known as much for his controversial personal life as much as his music career, then that's more of an argument that information about his controversies should be included within main sections rather than forked out in a section to incite dislike for him. (And I wonder why there's no section about his personal life that discusses his brief relationships with Amber Rose and that other woman whose name I don't know. The personal life section can host some information about West's bad behavior like the September 2008 airport paparazzi incident.) Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 06:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
See these pages for why controversy sections are not really neutral:
Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 06:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
There is one controversy that has been missed by the above suggestion, but relates to one already listed. My personal suggestion is to add an edit to this part of the section, so that it reads thusly...
In January 2006, West again sparked controversy when he appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone in the image of Jesus wearing a crown of thorns. [28] Later, in February of that same year, West is reported to have claimed that he should be a character in the Bible. [29]
Lord Barrius ( talk) 18:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
This is kind of interesting. It says Taylor and Knowles have the same agent and insinuates that the VMA interruption was a publicity stunt. It compares the incident to the earlier supposed quarrel between West and 50 Cent. Believe me that I know absolutely nothing about this stuff and had no idea who these people were before the ruckus broke out, but a little bit of web searching corroborates the 50 Cent story, probably enough to mention in the article. 67.122.211.205 ( talk) 03:03, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Again, see WP:TALK. Unless it's directly related to the article itself, this is inappropriate. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 04:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the fact that he is a motherfucking genius, a lyrical wordsmith, the voice of a generation? Einstein's article mentions that he is a genius. Shouldn't articles pertaining to geniuses like Kanye include that in the opening paragraph. Plottoday87 ( talk) 05:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I mentioned Travisharlem's biased edits above; these edits are meant to keep as much negative information about West out of this article as possible. Removing sourced material that is the consensus version is most definitely vandalism; he cannot remove this stuff simply because he does not like it. He is removing very relevant information. The crowd reacted negatively is all well-sourced and very relevant. The fact that West gave the microphone back to a stunned and reportedly upset Swift is well-sourced and very relevant (we know she was upset!). All of West's apologies are well-sourced and very relevant (they are not even negative, no matter showing just how "desperate" he was for forgiveness). As for the "jackass" mention by Barack Obama, most editors are for that mention; they will keep adding it back. I did not include it when I constructed the paragraph about West's 2009 MTV Video Music Awards outburst (though I did include that West was criticized by Obama), but it was added in. And it was added back by someone else after Travisharlem first removed it. Additionally, we do not point to a main article in the way that he did in the middle of a section; that is not proper Wikipedia formatting. He basically called me a vandal simply for reinstating the consensus (and, in this case, better) version of an article. If he was talking about my removal of the YouTube source. Well, I was correct in that removal. YouTube is typically considered unreliable by Wikipedia. Here is a discussion about this: Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 36#Youtube as a source. There have been plenty of debates/discussions about its use here at Wikipedia. Either way, Travisharlem basically calling me a vandal was completely uncalled for, and I suggest he see WP:CIVIL.
To document in text what WP:Consensus is on this matter, I brought it here for discussion. Do we go with my version...or Travisharlem's version? Flyer22 ( talk) 05:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I ask that some of the people watching/editing this article comment on this. I am asking for opinions, so that consensus can be documented in text. That is all. Flyer22 ( talk) 06:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I think the VMA controversy should definitely be included; the little link to the main article can direct people if they want to read more, but like just about every other case I see of the main article function being used, and like it makes sense to do, the part regarding the topic should be explained as well as giving the main article link.
The putting of "arrests" in the title of that section I thought was a good idea too, but it certainly can be debated either way. That section was, even before I touched it, mainly about two arrest incidents. --- Debollweevil ( talk) 14:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I am not seeing it as necessary to have this article completely locked down again at this time...unless enough people are not watching this article to revert the vandalism quick enough. There was a little recent vandalism, but we took care of it (not super quickly, but not super late either). The vandalism has not stopped? Well, of course we are not going to be able to stop vandalism completely in regards to this article and a lot of other Wikipedia articles...not so long as others beside administrators can edit. But the vandalism while on semi-protection was not so out of hand that we needed this article fully protected again, this time until October 16, 2009. Flyer22 ( talk) 04:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
On a good note, this provides me with a good break from editing this article (LOL). Flyer22 ( talk) 04:35, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
{{ Editprotected}} The link for Amber Rose should be directed to Amber Rose (model). Thanks. Marchije• speak/ peek 11:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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