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This page needs to be edited to comply with WikiProject Aircraft page content guidelines. This also means the page needs to be cross-linked from "Kaman Seasprite" to be consistant with the Manufacturer-Aircraft_Name format preferred by the project, although the page name is consistant with the entries for other U.S. armed forces aircraft. -- Ray Trygstad 19:47, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC) Cross link done (not quite 2 years later :-) - Winstonwolfe 01:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the category U.S. ASW aircraft 1950-1959 from this page as the H-2 was not used in an ASW role until 1971; consequently this is an incorrect categorization. -- Ray Trygstad 21:22, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I did some minor reorganization for readability. BillCJ 01:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC))
I have been attempting a major restructuring of the article to comply with WikiProject Aircraft page content guidelines. These changes include:
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Any assistance is welcome, but please don't undo a major change without discussing it here first. If you know how to hide the old specs while leaving them in the article, that would be fine. Thanks. -- BillCJ 17:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I added a new comment that has emerged on the 15th May 2006, that the Australian government is now considering scrapping the entire fleet, rather than trying to fix the main problems that exist. lturner80, 15th May 2006.
5 March 2008 - the scrapping of the fleet has been announced. : http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/Fitzgibbontpl.cfm?CurrentId=7480 203.36.107.146 ( talk) 06:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Signal Buster, are you kidding? Do you honestly think that the Aussie Government would even consider using the Boneyard after this debacle? I certainly hope not! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aussie Observer ( talk • contribs) 04:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
A rate of climb of 631 m/s, whilst impressive, is certainly incorrect. 203.36.107.146 ( talk) 06:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
631 FEET per second sounds better is someone could verify
631 M/S is faster than most fighter jets (My calculations say about 1,000 M.P.H (I know of planes can beat that, but not too many... and not one heli that goes about 200 Knts) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.168.241.112 ( talk) 21:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the following section:
In a media release, the new Minister for Defence, Mr Joel Fitzgibbon said that the Government was left with little option. "The decision taken by the Rudd Labor Government is one that should have been taken by the Leader of the Opposition, Brendan Nelson, when he had the opportunity last year, but his Government decided to put its own political interests ahead of the national interest. Consequently, the responsibility of cleaning up the mess they created falls to us." "Seasprite Helicopters top be Cancelled" (Press release). Department of Defence. 5 March 2008. Retrieved 2008-03-05.
It's far too long, and really adds nothing about the article that's not already covered. Instead, it's mostly political spin and lashing out at a previous government. Political leanings aside, it has no place here. Perhaps it belongs in the RAAF or ADF page, but certainly not here. - BillCJ ( talk) 08:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I was actually planning to keep the announcement, and then I read it! There's really nothing of substance there at all, and that honestly surprised me. Official or not, I don't think that's something we should link to. Two alternatives: One is to find a good, balnced news story covering the issue from a neutral point of view, and then remove the official link.. The other is to post a link to the opposition's statement on the issue. I haven't looked for one yet, but after reading what the minister said about them, I'm sure there is one. - BillCJ ( talk) 08:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
SH-2 Seasprite → H-2 Seasprite — How about moving this site and renaming it H-2 instead of SH-2, as there were originally only UH-2s, then also HH-2s and finally SH-2s! — Cobatfor 22:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC) refactored by Born2flie ( talk) 13:53, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.If this aircraft has been retired in US service, shouldn't that be mentioned in the intro table? Unless there are other variants the USN is still operating. 69.208.228.193 ( talk) 17:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
In the Development section, the paragraph that introduces the LAMPS program says that it was started up in 1972, but the first operation of LAMPS aircraft is listed at the end of the paragraph as being December 1971. Is the article intending to say that LAMPS was started in fiscal year (FY) 72, is there a discrepancy in the dates, or just in how it is presented in this paragraph? -- Born2flie ( talk) 14:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
While the SH-2G is no doubt important, its coverage dominates the article at present. The UH/HH/SH-2 existed for 25 years before the arrival of the SH-2G, and I do think there is plenty material available to cover those variants adequately. However, I don't want to do so at the expense of the current G coverage, especialy that of the RAN. So, I'd like to make an informal proposal to split off the SH-2G to SH-2G Super Seasprite. This will also enable us to add specs for the earlier variants, including the single-engine A/B models, and the twin F also. While perhaps we could cheat the guidelines and have 2 specs sections, 3 would be hard to get away with. Thoughts? - BillCJ ( talk) 06:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
So far, I've only been able to confirm that the NZ operated SH-2Fs before receiving the G. Did the RAN use any Fs at any time? I've also found a source, Donald, David (2000). The Encyclopedia of World Military Aircraft. NY, NY: Barnes & Noble.
ISBN
0-7607-2208-0. {{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help), which states that Pakistan had ordered 6 SH-2Fs during the 1990s(?), but these were embargoed, and apparently never delivered.-
BillCJ (
talk) 16:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Nick. I just wanted to be certain. Jeff, I went ahead and added specs on the UH-2A and SH-2F, though some need conversions to nmi/kts, and some fields are blank. Also, we'll need to double-check the specs for the G, in Frawley and elsewhere, because some of them seem way off. In some places, the US customary units seem like they're for the G, but the metrics match the F specs, or vice versa! I doubt Frawley is that far off, but I'm not in the room with it right now, so I can't double-check them myself tonight. Thanks. - BillCJ ( talk) 06:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Corrected number of NZ SH2Fs with reference. To date the NZDF has actually had 15 Seasprite airframes. The RNZN had 4 and aimed to keep 2 operational - when these were replaced by S2Gs 3 were returned to Kaman but the fourth was gifted to the RNZAF Museum after being badly bent in a crash landing, in the mean time 6 non flying examples were obtained for ground training. 5 SH2Gs replaced the SH2Fs... though teh 2 Frigates that originally were to operate them have been joined by 3 other Seasprite capable vessels. If the 11 Australian airframes are purchased for spares, that will end up being 26 NZ Seasprites, (replacing 19 Westland Wasp airframes... strangely the RNZN is also frequently listed as having only had 2 Wasps too :-). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.96.151 ( talk) 06:34, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I've decided after some thought to propose merging together the SH-2 Seasprit and SH-2G Super Seasprit articles together. I've noticed that we're the only language Wikipedia in which these articles have been divided into two such sections; a number of external sites also appears to deal with them as one and the same topic. It is my thinking that a merge isn't necessary but that, due to numerous places dealing with them as the same topic, they may actually be better served by being dealt with together as well. Size alone doesn't provoke me to believe the topics ought to be merged; but neither will the size issue suffer if they are dealt with together. Thoughts, both in support and opposing the motion, are welcomed. Kyteto ( talk) 00:39, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I do have some thoughts based on this feedback - firstly that the proposal is unpopular, and secondly, why - it appears to be widely held that a merged article would put too much emphasis on the later G model. I have previously understaken some corrective editing to take out some of the excesses and ramblings of the G's article as it is. If I were to undertake a program to increase the amount of content here on the non-G models, to make it more balanced, would that lessen the issue? I certainly feel that there could be more detail given here, it was my original intention to make those improvements in the merged article, but as that seems to be publically regarded as putting the cart before the horse, that requires some rethinking. Useful. Kyteto ( talk) 15:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Today I've carried out some expansion work on the article, which I think has improved the standing of the inadequite history on the United Station's operational history, and done some good for the throughness of the citations as well. I've decided to create a mockup of what the merged article would look like, combining sigificant elements from both of the current articles - it can be viewed via this link. I've tried to address the stated concerns, in my view, the Australian controversy doesn't look as if it'll dominate the History now, although the US Navy's use still needs growth and development in the long term. Kyteto ( talk) 20:15, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Here are some links for the winged experiments. TGCP ( talk) 19:54, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
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I have a set of characteristics and performance on the aircraft that differ quite a bit from the ones on the page. Mine came from the Navy Public Affairs Library Navy Fact File 1996 but I will try to find my SH-2F NATOPS Manual to get the "book" values and enter them here. (I have 2000+ hours in model so I know I have my NATOPS somewhere.) Ray Trygstad ( talk) 03:08, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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This page needs to be edited to comply with WikiProject Aircraft page content guidelines. This also means the page needs to be cross-linked from "Kaman Seasprite" to be consistant with the Manufacturer-Aircraft_Name format preferred by the project, although the page name is consistant with the entries for other U.S. armed forces aircraft. -- Ray Trygstad 19:47, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC) Cross link done (not quite 2 years later :-) - Winstonwolfe 01:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the category U.S. ASW aircraft 1950-1959 from this page as the H-2 was not used in an ASW role until 1971; consequently this is an incorrect categorization. -- Ray Trygstad 21:22, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I did some minor reorganization for readability. BillCJ 01:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC))
I have been attempting a major restructuring of the article to comply with WikiProject Aircraft page content guidelines. These changes include:
This is just a plan, so I welcome any other suggestions for improvement.
Any assistance is welcome, but please don't undo a major change without discussing it here first. If you know how to hide the old specs while leaving them in the article, that would be fine. Thanks. -- BillCJ 17:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I added a new comment that has emerged on the 15th May 2006, that the Australian government is now considering scrapping the entire fleet, rather than trying to fix the main problems that exist. lturner80, 15th May 2006.
5 March 2008 - the scrapping of the fleet has been announced. : http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/Fitzgibbontpl.cfm?CurrentId=7480 203.36.107.146 ( talk) 06:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Signal Buster, are you kidding? Do you honestly think that the Aussie Government would even consider using the Boneyard after this debacle? I certainly hope not! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aussie Observer ( talk • contribs) 04:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
A rate of climb of 631 m/s, whilst impressive, is certainly incorrect. 203.36.107.146 ( talk) 06:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
631 FEET per second sounds better is someone could verify
631 M/S is faster than most fighter jets (My calculations say about 1,000 M.P.H (I know of planes can beat that, but not too many... and not one heli that goes about 200 Knts) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.168.241.112 ( talk) 21:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the following section:
In a media release, the new Minister for Defence, Mr Joel Fitzgibbon said that the Government was left with little option. "The decision taken by the Rudd Labor Government is one that should have been taken by the Leader of the Opposition, Brendan Nelson, when he had the opportunity last year, but his Government decided to put its own political interests ahead of the national interest. Consequently, the responsibility of cleaning up the mess they created falls to us." "Seasprite Helicopters top be Cancelled" (Press release). Department of Defence. 5 March 2008. Retrieved 2008-03-05.
It's far too long, and really adds nothing about the article that's not already covered. Instead, it's mostly political spin and lashing out at a previous government. Political leanings aside, it has no place here. Perhaps it belongs in the RAAF or ADF page, but certainly not here. - BillCJ ( talk) 08:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I was actually planning to keep the announcement, and then I read it! There's really nothing of substance there at all, and that honestly surprised me. Official or not, I don't think that's something we should link to. Two alternatives: One is to find a good, balnced news story covering the issue from a neutral point of view, and then remove the official link.. The other is to post a link to the opposition's statement on the issue. I haven't looked for one yet, but after reading what the minister said about them, I'm sure there is one. - BillCJ ( talk) 08:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
SH-2 Seasprite → H-2 Seasprite — How about moving this site and renaming it H-2 instead of SH-2, as there were originally only UH-2s, then also HH-2s and finally SH-2s! — Cobatfor 22:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC) refactored by Born2flie ( talk) 13:53, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
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polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.If this aircraft has been retired in US service, shouldn't that be mentioned in the intro table? Unless there are other variants the USN is still operating. 69.208.228.193 ( talk) 17:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
In the Development section, the paragraph that introduces the LAMPS program says that it was started up in 1972, but the first operation of LAMPS aircraft is listed at the end of the paragraph as being December 1971. Is the article intending to say that LAMPS was started in fiscal year (FY) 72, is there a discrepancy in the dates, or just in how it is presented in this paragraph? -- Born2flie ( talk) 14:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
While the SH-2G is no doubt important, its coverage dominates the article at present. The UH/HH/SH-2 existed for 25 years before the arrival of the SH-2G, and I do think there is plenty material available to cover those variants adequately. However, I don't want to do so at the expense of the current G coverage, especialy that of the RAN. So, I'd like to make an informal proposal to split off the SH-2G to SH-2G Super Seasprite. This will also enable us to add specs for the earlier variants, including the single-engine A/B models, and the twin F also. While perhaps we could cheat the guidelines and have 2 specs sections, 3 would be hard to get away with. Thoughts? - BillCJ ( talk) 06:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
So far, I've only been able to confirm that the NZ operated SH-2Fs before receiving the G. Did the RAN use any Fs at any time? I've also found a source, Donald, David (2000). The Encyclopedia of World Military Aircraft. NY, NY: Barnes & Noble.
ISBN
0-7607-2208-0. {{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help), which states that Pakistan had ordered 6 SH-2Fs during the 1990s(?), but these were embargoed, and apparently never delivered.-
BillCJ (
talk) 16:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Nick. I just wanted to be certain. Jeff, I went ahead and added specs on the UH-2A and SH-2F, though some need conversions to nmi/kts, and some fields are blank. Also, we'll need to double-check the specs for the G, in Frawley and elsewhere, because some of them seem way off. In some places, the US customary units seem like they're for the G, but the metrics match the F specs, or vice versa! I doubt Frawley is that far off, but I'm not in the room with it right now, so I can't double-check them myself tonight. Thanks. - BillCJ ( talk) 06:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Corrected number of NZ SH2Fs with reference. To date the NZDF has actually had 15 Seasprite airframes. The RNZN had 4 and aimed to keep 2 operational - when these were replaced by S2Gs 3 were returned to Kaman but the fourth was gifted to the RNZAF Museum after being badly bent in a crash landing, in the mean time 6 non flying examples were obtained for ground training. 5 SH2Gs replaced the SH2Fs... though teh 2 Frigates that originally were to operate them have been joined by 3 other Seasprite capable vessels. If the 11 Australian airframes are purchased for spares, that will end up being 26 NZ Seasprites, (replacing 19 Westland Wasp airframes... strangely the RNZN is also frequently listed as having only had 2 Wasps too :-). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.96.151 ( talk) 06:34, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I've decided after some thought to propose merging together the SH-2 Seasprit and SH-2G Super Seasprit articles together. I've noticed that we're the only language Wikipedia in which these articles have been divided into two such sections; a number of external sites also appears to deal with them as one and the same topic. It is my thinking that a merge isn't necessary but that, due to numerous places dealing with them as the same topic, they may actually be better served by being dealt with together as well. Size alone doesn't provoke me to believe the topics ought to be merged; but neither will the size issue suffer if they are dealt with together. Thoughts, both in support and opposing the motion, are welcomed. Kyteto ( talk) 00:39, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I do have some thoughts based on this feedback - firstly that the proposal is unpopular, and secondly, why - it appears to be widely held that a merged article would put too much emphasis on the later G model. I have previously understaken some corrective editing to take out some of the excesses and ramblings of the G's article as it is. If I were to undertake a program to increase the amount of content here on the non-G models, to make it more balanced, would that lessen the issue? I certainly feel that there could be more detail given here, it was my original intention to make those improvements in the merged article, but as that seems to be publically regarded as putting the cart before the horse, that requires some rethinking. Useful. Kyteto ( talk) 15:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Today I've carried out some expansion work on the article, which I think has improved the standing of the inadequite history on the United Station's operational history, and done some good for the throughness of the citations as well. I've decided to create a mockup of what the merged article would look like, combining sigificant elements from both of the current articles - it can be viewed via this link. I've tried to address the stated concerns, in my view, the Australian controversy doesn't look as if it'll dominate the History now, although the US Navy's use still needs growth and development in the long term. Kyteto ( talk) 20:15, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Here are some links for the winged experiments. TGCP ( talk) 19:54, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
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I have a set of characteristics and performance on the aircraft that differ quite a bit from the ones on the page. Mine came from the Navy Public Affairs Library Navy Fact File 1996 but I will try to find my SH-2F NATOPS Manual to get the "book" values and enter them here. (I have 2000+ hours in model so I know I have my NATOPS somewhere.) Ray Trygstad ( talk) 03:08, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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