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Theused32, as part three of the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, please explain your reasons for removing sourced content about the members of Mattson's band. — Anne Delong ( talk) 11:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Anne Delong, I removed the information regarding Mattson's band as I deemed it not relevant as Mattson is a solo artist. He performs live with an ever changing backing band depending on the tour but he writes and records primarily solo. Theused32 ( talk) 22:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Theused32, this may be the case in 2014; I don't know. However, from the information in the multiple sources I'm listing below, he did indeed have a band for the first three releases. The reports regularly either say "and his band", or refer to Kalle Mattson as "they". Kalle himself says "we" in interviews. His bio on last.fm, which it appears he wrote himself, begins "In the three short years since Kalle (kāl) Mattson began writing songs, he and his band have grown from a Dylan-influenced solo act into a full on experimental folk-rock quintet." From reading the reviews, it's apparent that although Kalle wrote the songs and was the lead singer, the other musicians contributed to the success of the albums and should be mentioned. Unless that was him playing the horn, drums, electric guitar and bass....
— Anne Delong ( talk) 03:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Anne Delong A lot of that seems a little outdated now I think. Kalle hasn't been marketed as a "band" since 2011 (that Last.fm looks particularly old), all press photos are of just him, he's the only one to do interviews and almost every show is listed as Kalle Mattson regardless if he has a band with him or not. Looking at the album credits and reading recent interviews and reviews he writes the songs, almost if not all of the parts the musicians are playing and plays majority of the instruments on the records, seems to be the case since the first record... Also by my count well over 10 different backing musicians have played with him over the past five years, and the fact that he has backing musicians doesn't mean they need to be included in his personal page. Theused32 ( talk) 06:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Anne Delong Here are multiple sources that refer to Mattson in the singular and as a singer-songwriter not as a frontman in a band that happens to have his name as you say: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19046-kalle-mattson-someday-the-moon-will-be-gold/ http://www.popmatters.com/review/180762-kalle-mattson-someday-the-moon-will-be-gold/ http://exclaim.ca/News/kalle_mattson_unveils_someday_moon_will_be_gold_album_books_canadian_tour http://music-mix.ew.com/2013/11/26/kalle-mattson-new-song-darkness/ http://www.leaderpost.com/touch/story.html?id=10173208 http://www.saultstar.com/2014/08/20/sault-native-to-preform-at-home http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/sudbury/sault-ste-marie-s-kalle-mattson-awaits-word-on-polaris-prize-short-list-1.2698439 When I deleted that paragraph I deemed mentioning his band irrelevant as Kalle Mattson is clearly a person (it's his name) not a band and it is an article about Mattson as a person, not about the musicians he employs. But if there is a precedent like you say with the Gordon Lightfoot article then that's fine, but we should probably mention all of the people that have played with him not just a few. Theused32 ( talk) 16:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Anne Delong Yup fair enough, maybe a more extensive career biography should be written with mention of the band members in that. Many of the "well known acts" have contributed more to his records (judging by album credits) than some of the members you originally listed, not exactly puffery (this Ottawa Citizen article mentions The Wooden Sky's involvement on his newest record http://ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/gavin-gardiner-always-seeking-perfection). Also re: the Thick As Thieves video it was directed by Kevin Parry who is mentioned in the Water Falls section. Theused32 ( talk) 02:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
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Theused32, as part three of the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, please explain your reasons for removing sourced content about the members of Mattson's band. — Anne Delong ( talk) 11:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Anne Delong, I removed the information regarding Mattson's band as I deemed it not relevant as Mattson is a solo artist. He performs live with an ever changing backing band depending on the tour but he writes and records primarily solo. Theused32 ( talk) 22:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Theused32, this may be the case in 2014; I don't know. However, from the information in the multiple sources I'm listing below, he did indeed have a band for the first three releases. The reports regularly either say "and his band", or refer to Kalle Mattson as "they". Kalle himself says "we" in interviews. His bio on last.fm, which it appears he wrote himself, begins "In the three short years since Kalle (kāl) Mattson began writing songs, he and his band have grown from a Dylan-influenced solo act into a full on experimental folk-rock quintet." From reading the reviews, it's apparent that although Kalle wrote the songs and was the lead singer, the other musicians contributed to the success of the albums and should be mentioned. Unless that was him playing the horn, drums, electric guitar and bass....
— Anne Delong ( talk) 03:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Anne Delong A lot of that seems a little outdated now I think. Kalle hasn't been marketed as a "band" since 2011 (that Last.fm looks particularly old), all press photos are of just him, he's the only one to do interviews and almost every show is listed as Kalle Mattson regardless if he has a band with him or not. Looking at the album credits and reading recent interviews and reviews he writes the songs, almost if not all of the parts the musicians are playing and plays majority of the instruments on the records, seems to be the case since the first record... Also by my count well over 10 different backing musicians have played with him over the past five years, and the fact that he has backing musicians doesn't mean they need to be included in his personal page. Theused32 ( talk) 06:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Anne Delong Here are multiple sources that refer to Mattson in the singular and as a singer-songwriter not as a frontman in a band that happens to have his name as you say: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19046-kalle-mattson-someday-the-moon-will-be-gold/ http://www.popmatters.com/review/180762-kalle-mattson-someday-the-moon-will-be-gold/ http://exclaim.ca/News/kalle_mattson_unveils_someday_moon_will_be_gold_album_books_canadian_tour http://music-mix.ew.com/2013/11/26/kalle-mattson-new-song-darkness/ http://www.leaderpost.com/touch/story.html?id=10173208 http://www.saultstar.com/2014/08/20/sault-native-to-preform-at-home http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/sudbury/sault-ste-marie-s-kalle-mattson-awaits-word-on-polaris-prize-short-list-1.2698439 When I deleted that paragraph I deemed mentioning his band irrelevant as Kalle Mattson is clearly a person (it's his name) not a band and it is an article about Mattson as a person, not about the musicians he employs. But if there is a precedent like you say with the Gordon Lightfoot article then that's fine, but we should probably mention all of the people that have played with him not just a few. Theused32 ( talk) 16:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Anne Delong Yup fair enough, maybe a more extensive career biography should be written with mention of the band members in that. Many of the "well known acts" have contributed more to his records (judging by album credits) than some of the members you originally listed, not exactly puffery (this Ottawa Citizen article mentions The Wooden Sky's involvement on his newest record http://ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/gavin-gardiner-always-seeking-perfection). Also re: the Thick As Thieves video it was directed by Kevin Parry who is mentioned in the Water Falls section. Theused32 ( talk) 02:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)