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Why does a non-page have protected status? Especially given that it is a part of the 'basic forms of government' list, it really seems like there should be an article here. 'Kakistocracy is a theoretical form of government formed by 'the least qualified people'. Most commonly, the term is used by individuals to criticize a government and its' leaders that they oppose.' would be at least a start. 87.113.242.29 ( talk) 00:00, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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Please add {{ pp-protected}} to the top of the page. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 18:34, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I just successfully recreated this article at Kakistocracy and has some useful-worthy content -- CasetteTapeMaster ( talk) 01:32, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
I question whether the last paragraph, about November 2016, is maintaining a NPOV. While I share the POV, that doesn't mean it belongs in Wikipedia without something to balance it. Dgndenver ( talk) 20:03, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
In the second paragraph in the Usage section, David Cay Johnston's name is incorrectly spelled "David Clay Johnston" -- Mr. Johnston has a Wikipedia entry under the correct spelling. Jimcgreevy ( talk) 20:11, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
That's extremely subjective. Wikipedia isn't the place to vent your precious feelings. With that in mind, I removed that sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:400:4202:1B40:F58B:E194:9797:CDFB ( talk) 00:32, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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As of when I made this posting (March 2018), the Usage section of the article appeared to be a place where people express opinions about the current POTUS rather than discussing the term "kakistocracy".
The section has, in this order:
This appears to me to be biased. If it is biased, should we find examples of other kakistocracies, summarize the description of the Trump administration, or do both?
-- Rob Kelk 15:45, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
It's just another Trump-hating hit piece by butthurt leftists, not an encyclopedic article in any way. 77Mike77 ( talk) 22:07, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Someone has added an unsourced reference to Joe Biden, and added the Joe Biden menu at the bottom. Needs a source otherwise it's biased
I've reverted this apparent WP:POV restoration of a photo with an unbalanced politically-charged caption in the Usage section. I suggest rhetorically that rerhaps a quote from this more balanced review in Forbes magazine of the book Mark R. Levin (2016), Plunder and Deceit: Big Government's Exploitation of Young People and the Future, Simon and Schuster, ISBN 978-1-4516-0633-1 might be better:
This book is particularly timely in view of Donald Trump’s attempt to reach out to minority voters and question why they should vote for the same Democrat party whose policies produced such poor results over the last half century. Whether Mr. Trump would actually be better for minorities is a stretch, but speaking out about failing policies is an important first step.
Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
See a follow-up edit here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:36, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Someone added Israel and Netanyahu's government to the Usage section. There are two Haaretz sources for the claim (after I removed some sources that did not appear to use the word "kakistocracy"):
I'm unable to fully access the first source, but it probably doesn't mention "kakistocracy" at all. The latter is a news analysis by Alon Pinkas and does mention "kakistocracy". I found another analysis by Pinkas that also mentions "kakistocracy". If two (or three) analysis sources is all we've got, I don't think this passes WP:DUE. Politrukki ( talk) 16:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
This article is routinely used (or attempted to be used) to try to implicate various persons/political regimes as kakistocracies clearly on partisan basis. Most get reverted. Some do not. Considering the political climate around the world, perhaps it would be best if the article restricted it to long-held examples of kakistocracies, before the current era - for example, before 1950, or some other arbitrary threshold that would suggest that history has long held they were so. There are 'friendly' media around the world who are all too glad to state that X is a kakistocracy, lending to "reliable" sources just rolling along with partisanism. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:17, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
I restored the old narrative with some modifications, folding in at least one (didn't keep count) of the former 'list' style entries. I briefly contemplated adding a 'nowiki' notice at the bottom of the section advising some guidelines for inclusion/exclusion, but felt that was too heavy handed. We shall see. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Add to the list of examples that most Israelis see Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's 2022 government, comprising ultra-right and ultra-orthodox parties, alleged and convicted criminals, and incompetent sycophants, as a classical example of kakistocracy. 2A00:A041:3AC0:CB00:D980:99E4:FACB:FFD ( talk) 17:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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Why does a non-page have protected status? Especially given that it is a part of the 'basic forms of government' list, it really seems like there should be an article here. 'Kakistocracy is a theoretical form of government formed by 'the least qualified people'. Most commonly, the term is used by individuals to criticize a government and its' leaders that they oppose.' would be at least a start. 87.113.242.29 ( talk) 00:00, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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Please add {{ pp-protected}} to the top of the page. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 18:34, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I just successfully recreated this article at Kakistocracy and has some useful-worthy content -- CasetteTapeMaster ( talk) 01:32, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
I question whether the last paragraph, about November 2016, is maintaining a NPOV. While I share the POV, that doesn't mean it belongs in Wikipedia without something to balance it. Dgndenver ( talk) 20:03, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
In the second paragraph in the Usage section, David Cay Johnston's name is incorrectly spelled "David Clay Johnston" -- Mr. Johnston has a Wikipedia entry under the correct spelling. Jimcgreevy ( talk) 20:11, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
That's extremely subjective. Wikipedia isn't the place to vent your precious feelings. With that in mind, I removed that sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:400:4202:1B40:F58B:E194:9797:CDFB ( talk) 00:32, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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As of when I made this posting (March 2018), the Usage section of the article appeared to be a place where people express opinions about the current POTUS rather than discussing the term "kakistocracy".
The section has, in this order:
This appears to me to be biased. If it is biased, should we find examples of other kakistocracies, summarize the description of the Trump administration, or do both?
-- Rob Kelk 15:45, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
It's just another Trump-hating hit piece by butthurt leftists, not an encyclopedic article in any way. 77Mike77 ( talk) 22:07, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Someone has added an unsourced reference to Joe Biden, and added the Joe Biden menu at the bottom. Needs a source otherwise it's biased
I've reverted this apparent WP:POV restoration of a photo with an unbalanced politically-charged caption in the Usage section. I suggest rhetorically that rerhaps a quote from this more balanced review in Forbes magazine of the book Mark R. Levin (2016), Plunder and Deceit: Big Government's Exploitation of Young People and the Future, Simon and Schuster, ISBN 978-1-4516-0633-1 might be better:
This book is particularly timely in view of Donald Trump’s attempt to reach out to minority voters and question why they should vote for the same Democrat party whose policies produced such poor results over the last half century. Whether Mr. Trump would actually be better for minorities is a stretch, but speaking out about failing policies is an important first step.
Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
See a follow-up edit here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:36, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Someone added Israel and Netanyahu's government to the Usage section. There are two Haaretz sources for the claim (after I removed some sources that did not appear to use the word "kakistocracy"):
I'm unable to fully access the first source, but it probably doesn't mention "kakistocracy" at all. The latter is a news analysis by Alon Pinkas and does mention "kakistocracy". I found another analysis by Pinkas that also mentions "kakistocracy". If two (or three) analysis sources is all we've got, I don't think this passes WP:DUE. Politrukki ( talk) 16:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
This article is routinely used (or attempted to be used) to try to implicate various persons/political regimes as kakistocracies clearly on partisan basis. Most get reverted. Some do not. Considering the political climate around the world, perhaps it would be best if the article restricted it to long-held examples of kakistocracies, before the current era - for example, before 1950, or some other arbitrary threshold that would suggest that history has long held they were so. There are 'friendly' media around the world who are all too glad to state that X is a kakistocracy, lending to "reliable" sources just rolling along with partisanism. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:17, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
I restored the old narrative with some modifications, folding in at least one (didn't keep count) of the former 'list' style entries. I briefly contemplated adding a 'nowiki' notice at the bottom of the section advising some guidelines for inclusion/exclusion, but felt that was too heavy handed. We shall see. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Add to the list of examples that most Israelis see Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's 2022 government, comprising ultra-right and ultra-orthodox parties, alleged and convicted criminals, and incompetent sycophants, as a classical example of kakistocracy. 2A00:A041:3AC0:CB00:D980:99E4:FACB:FFD ( talk) 17:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)