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BetacommandBot ( talk) 23:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I've recently edited this page, mostly the "forgery" section, for NPOV, as not everyone believes that the pebble is a hoax. However, I'm not the best Wikipedia editor, so if you feel you can improve my edits please do so; I just ask that no one revert my edits in their entirety as I feel that the article as I found it did not incorporate all views on the issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.56.129 ( talk) 02:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
A small portion of the text referring to what may or may not be a name on the pebble reads as follows: "/-ōkʷs/ (-ωπς)". There is no way this is or was ever correct: (-ωπς) is transliterated as /-ōps/, not /-ōkʷs/. "Π" is the Greek letter pi, which has not been attested to represent /kʷ/ in any language, to my knowledge. Greek used Qoppa to represent this sound, as well as a combination of Kappa and Digamma, and eventually just Kappa by itself. There was a phonetic shift in the Greek language that changed /kʷ/ to /k/ (as /kʷ/ came primarily from neighboring PIE languages and fell into disuse in Greek) and /k/ to /p/, but the orthography changed with it. /kʷ/ as an independent phoneme should have been all but eliminated from the Greek language (except loanwords) before π replaced κ in uses like these.
This should rightly read as one of the following, but NOT what is currently in the article:
All that being said, I don't speak ancient or modern Greek any more than enough to order a cup of coffee and a gyro, tell the waitress I have either one or three testicles, then stare blankly like an immigrant when asked to leave the restaurant. My knowledge is theoretical in nature. So, not knowing the language's nuances, naming conventions, and shifting timeline with an absolute certainty, I don't know which of the options I offered should be here, though any one of the combinations I mentioned is technically correct for one facet or another of the Greek language. I'm going to remove the sentence in hopes that someone with more knowledge of the language will replace it with a degree of orthographic, phonological, and chronological accuracy. The entire statement is dubious at worst, uncited at best, and either way a product of incorrect translation. Yabopomonofonomopo bay ( talk) 10:40, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
It seems like a test has been done in order to verify the pebbles authenticity. http://www.demokritos.gr/library/downloads/Docs/documents/Apodeltiosi/22334495_EPENDYTHS_61_2012-04-28.pdf Apparently the results are positive (for the pebble being authentic). Does anyone know if further testing has been done during these 23 months? I think we should change the section saying that it is most probably a forgery. We can keep instead a question mark, until further research is done. Fkitselis ( talk) 12:34, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Kafkonia "is a small village in the municipality of Ancient Olympia, Elis, Greece. It is located between the villages Pelopio and Chelidoni, 5 km north of Olympia. It is about 200m above sea level." Is it the "Kafkania" where this was found? -- Error ( talk) 10:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
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Image:Kafkania pebble.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 23:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I've recently edited this page, mostly the "forgery" section, for NPOV, as not everyone believes that the pebble is a hoax. However, I'm not the best Wikipedia editor, so if you feel you can improve my edits please do so; I just ask that no one revert my edits in their entirety as I feel that the article as I found it did not incorporate all views on the issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.56.129 ( talk) 02:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
A small portion of the text referring to what may or may not be a name on the pebble reads as follows: "/-ōkʷs/ (-ωπς)". There is no way this is or was ever correct: (-ωπς) is transliterated as /-ōps/, not /-ōkʷs/. "Π" is the Greek letter pi, which has not been attested to represent /kʷ/ in any language, to my knowledge. Greek used Qoppa to represent this sound, as well as a combination of Kappa and Digamma, and eventually just Kappa by itself. There was a phonetic shift in the Greek language that changed /kʷ/ to /k/ (as /kʷ/ came primarily from neighboring PIE languages and fell into disuse in Greek) and /k/ to /p/, but the orthography changed with it. /kʷ/ as an independent phoneme should have been all but eliminated from the Greek language (except loanwords) before π replaced κ in uses like these.
This should rightly read as one of the following, but NOT what is currently in the article:
All that being said, I don't speak ancient or modern Greek any more than enough to order a cup of coffee and a gyro, tell the waitress I have either one or three testicles, then stare blankly like an immigrant when asked to leave the restaurant. My knowledge is theoretical in nature. So, not knowing the language's nuances, naming conventions, and shifting timeline with an absolute certainty, I don't know which of the options I offered should be here, though any one of the combinations I mentioned is technically correct for one facet or another of the Greek language. I'm going to remove the sentence in hopes that someone with more knowledge of the language will replace it with a degree of orthographic, phonological, and chronological accuracy. The entire statement is dubious at worst, uncited at best, and either way a product of incorrect translation. Yabopomonofonomopo bay ( talk) 10:40, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
It seems like a test has been done in order to verify the pebbles authenticity. http://www.demokritos.gr/library/downloads/Docs/documents/Apodeltiosi/22334495_EPENDYTHS_61_2012-04-28.pdf Apparently the results are positive (for the pebble being authentic). Does anyone know if further testing has been done during these 23 months? I think we should change the section saying that it is most probably a forgery. We can keep instead a question mark, until further research is done. Fkitselis ( talk) 12:34, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Kafkonia "is a small village in the municipality of Ancient Olympia, Elis, Greece. It is located between the villages Pelopio and Chelidoni, 5 km north of Olympia. It is about 200m above sea level." Is it the "Kafkania" where this was found? -- Error ( talk) 10:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)