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Links to [Black Spring] point to an irrelevant article. idiotoff 19:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
== Genetics section == I am kablye my grandfather had blue eyes and my grandmother has red hair both with skin lighter then most europeans
i don't think that it's true that 'french' and 'algerian arabic' are kabyle's languages. must i remember you that kabyle people HATE everything how's arab(for political reasons)?And about french i must remember you that it's the language of the old colonial power,ever if a lot of kabyles know it very well.so i don't think that there's a lot of kabyles who agree with the idea that french is their own language. Wikpedia is a incredible source of excellent informations,that's why i want to make it better.i suggest you to put only 'KABYLE' in the section 'language' of the 'kabyle people' article.i'm kabyle and this is the opinion of 99% of kabyles. my best salutation to you, you're doing a INCREDIBLE work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.66.128.22 ( talk) 11:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
You are wrong. There are many assimilated kabyles who speak algerian Arabic, especially in the Algiers region. But of course, nobody speaks french at home. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.66.36.72 ( talk) 15:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Both of you are wrong. The french language is respected amongst the kabyle people. Most see it as a way to cultivate themselves and ,for a long period of time, to communicate with the rest of the world.(This is of course changing as more of them are starting to speak english) There is a difference between the past french imperialistic government and the french language in itself.
Also, it was wrong to state that kabyle people do not speak french at home as it is not the case. Some families do speak french at home and i believe there are more french words present in the kabyle language than arabic ones. A large majority of kabyles do not speak arabic at all.(they learn formal arabic at school but do not employ it in their daily life) 2602:306:330B:EC0:35CE:3535:C6E6:2777 ( talk) 07:43, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
and what about the relation between kabyls and greeks? every kabyl and every greek know the similarity of our origins, languages, alphabets(greek alphabet and tifinagh alphabet),culture....but the wikipedia article don't talk about it
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I came here after reading about Zinedine Zidane, and saw what I thought was an honest mistake or some shit... If you include studies in the text they have to be cited so everyone can see the source...
What is in the article now(from Arredi...)
->"The Y chromosome is passed exclusively through the paternal line. The composition of Y Chromozome is: 48% E3b1b (E-M81), 12% E3b* (xE3b1b), 17% R1*(xR1a) and 23% F*(xH, I,J2,K) [1]. According to this study (Arredi et al.2004) the North African pattern of Y-chromosomal variation (including both E3b and J haplogroups) is largely of Neolithic origin which suggests that the Neolithic transition in this part of the world was accompanied by demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic–speaking pastoralists from Africa."
"...from Africa."
To my understanding the people of N Africa were from the middle east primarily (came out of east africa spreading e3b1), where afro-ASIATIC lanugages came from and were introduced to Africa through the spread of middle easternern farmers/pastoralists during the neolithic. Anybody who has taken an Anth 101 class should know that the pastoralists came from the FERTILE CRESCENT.
I have found Arredis study abstact on google, I will cite it at the bottom.. lets see what Arredi REALLY SAYS:
->"We have typed 275 men from five populations in Algeria, Tunisia, and Egypt with a set of 119 binary markers and 15 microsatellites from the Y chromosome, and we have analyzed the results together with published data from Moroccan populations. North African Y-chromosomal diversity is geographically structured and fits the pattern expected under an isolation-by-distance model. Autocorrelation analyses reveal an east-west cline of genetic variation that extends into the Middle East and is compatible with a hypothesis of demic expansion. This expansion must have involved relatively small numbers of Y chromosomes to account for the reduction in gene diversity towards the West that accompanied the frequency increase of Y haplogroup E3b2, but gene flow must have been maintained to explain the observed pattern of isolation-by-distance. Since the estimates of the times to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCAs) of the most common haplogroups are quite recent, we suggest that the North African pattern of Y-chromosomal variation is largely of Neolithic origin. Thus, we propose that the Neolithic transition in this part of the world was accompanied by demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic-speaking pastoralists from the Middle East."
"...from the Middle East."
Didt even need to look in depth to see that it was wrong. Its obvious to me that the editor is INTENTIONALLY FALSIFYING INFORMATION AND DIDNT EDIT WITH GOOD INTENTIONS...NO WAY YOU CAN QUOTE IT ALL RIGHT EXCEPT FOR THAT ALL IMPORTANT LITTLE WORD AT THE END. Assume good faith...lol. Who knows what their motivation was, but whoever it is a dumbass peice of crap and this is why wikipedia sux balls and no professor with half a goddamn brain lets you reference wikipedia. - 134.121.247.116 ( talk) 08:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
The article says (on 2008-12-19) : "It is interesting to note that the Nazi racialists considered the Berbers especially the Kabyle as part of the Aryan race".
Why would that be interesting?
Interesting to whom?
Other racists? (And what is a "racialist"?)
That sentence should be deleted. There really is no need to propagate queer nazist ideology. Erik Rossini ( talk) 20:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Why? Because other North Africans don't look white and have Goth blood.
To whom? To those who have noticed this.
Sentence is probably important and relevant, Kabyles mainly noted for being white in appearance, let's not lie to ourselves here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.252.92.57 ( talk) 01:57, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
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If this section is maintained, I suggest it to be rewritten so it would describe the activity of people and not the the economy of Kabylie which has its own article where the economy can be described in details. ( Zepard ( talk) 15:58, 24 January 2010 (UTC))
Budhism (Budhist), some Roman catholic, protestant athist unrecognized minorities, some suni terrorists.
Here's what we can read in this part. Can someone correct it ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.6.177.80 ( talk) 22:10, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Also, is there any support for the present claim that the Kabyles were traditionally Christian? What is the basis of this statement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.105.202.3 ( talk) 16:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Doubtful. Maybe Western Kabyle, but they number only in the thousands. The millions in Algeria are all Muslim, albeit, I hear, practicers are not that common. UltimateDarkloid ( talk) 13:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I've corrected misleading assertions in the Religion section, and added references to the Encyclopedia Britannica; I hope that will put an end to all the editing back and forth that's been going on here. Obiara ( talk) 20:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
What is the source for these given numbers? It seems to me as unreliable as the one about Maghrebim, that has recently been removed due to lack of sources. According to this [1] and this [2], the Kabyle are not that abundant in the West. Not sure how reliable these sources are, but they do disagree with the sources provided here. UltimateDarkloid ( talk) 13:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
this flag is not specific to the kabylian region. defense of using it in this article
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Omar2788 ( talk • contribs) 14:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
This will serve as advance notice to other interested contributors that I intend to delete most of the section entitled "Brief People's History" and replace it with a much shorter section in a more appropriate position in the History section further down. Besides the very large number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors, there are numerous problems with this section, which consists almost entirely of irrelevant, questionable or obviously incorrect information:
Please post any concerns about this proposed deletion and replacement here. Thank you. Obiara ( talk) 22:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
The following issues in this article are disputed:
Dzlinker, could you explain the deletion of several informations in the article, including:
If some informations seems for you to be doubtful, you're invited to precise the need of sources. If you think that some facts are false, than you can give relevant sources indicating clearely the contrary. Anyways, i invite you to discuss all these points here before changing the article.
PS: I also invite you to use polite language, forbidding words like "tmenyik" ("bullshit" in arabic) and generally non-english words. I remember you that we're on ENGLISH SPEAKING version of wikipedia. Nabilus junius ( talk) 23:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
"The Kabyle people are mainly Muslim with a large Christian community" [1]
I find this additions to be of original research ,Forgery , poorly sourced and strangely worded. That's why I will revert it to : The Kabyle people are mainly Muslims with a few Christians [2], If you wish to challenged that, I suggest you take your complaint to the reliable sources noticeboard, but I have to tell you, they are obviously going to find it to be reliable.
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on the other hand :
the following should be checked for original research: Recently, there has been a growing Protestant (chiefly evangelical) community.[2] Since the 19th century, there has been a large nominal Sunni Muslim community.[3] Among Kabyle Muslims, the main tradition is maraboutism,[4] a version of heterogeneous Islam mixing Sunni tradition and many Kabyle cultural elements. However, Kabyle society is known for its strong secular tradition. Religious differences play minor roles in political and social life.[citation needed]
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The general table presents basic informations about a given community. More detailed information must be within the article. About the language's section of the table, it must presents the mother tongue of the group, the community. In this case it's kabyle language which is the only mother tongue inside the Kabyle group.
Kabyle individuals who are living outside the Kabyle environnement (either in Algeria or abroad) is another point : their mother tongue is the one of the region in which they evolve (if we follow this way we must add English, spoken by the kabyle-Canadians, Spanish, Russian, Danish, Japanese...ect)
About the fact that Algerian Arabic and French are languages widely spread within the Kabyle population, this returns within the framework of the second and not native languages.
Generally speaking, all these information must be given in the article itself, in the specific section. It's the case here, so it's ok.
PS : Classic Arabic is absolutely not spoken as a native language neither in Kabylia, nor generally in any place in Algeria or North Africa. Nabilus junius ( talk) 14:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Kabyle people is a multi-religious group. There's no official census about religion in Algeria, but most of statistics give approximately 40 to 50 % of Muslims, for 20/30% of Christians and neighborhood 30/40% of unbelievers. We thus have no Muslim absolute majority. Even though it was the case, does this arbitrary categorization correspond to the will of a majority of kabyles ? Undoubtedly not. The Kabyle nation is widely secular, many Kabyles are just nominally Muslims, and the kabylo-Berber culture is rather foreign to Islam.
I would like to know what an Azeri Islamist living in Germany knows exactly about kabyles and their society ? Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, but it doesn' dispense of having a minimum of knowledges in the subjects on which we wish to contribute. It is not a game.
Besides, the category " Muslim communities " does not include either Turkish, or Iranian, or even Arab people !!! I recommend you to create a specific article " Kabyle Muslims ", which you could include in this category, and in which you could describe in detail the customs and the specific traditions of the Muslims of Kabyle origin (what could help us to see your large knowledge of the subject). Nabilus junius ( talk) 09:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Contrary to what you say your political-ideological positions (not very moderate, we must say it), have an importance because they directly seem to interfere in your judgment on the question in debate. Nabilus junius ( talk) 10:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Kabyle people's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "S-Coon_RacesOfEurope1":
Nordics are ancient in Northern Africa as the Egyptian monuments of the Middle Kingdom, and perhaps older. They survive today mostly in the mountains of the Rif, but others are found in the Canary Islands, and the Djurdjura and Aures mountains of Algeria.
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help)A Riffian from the coastal village of Ajdir, in the tribe of Beni Uriaghel. In pigment, in measurements, and morphologically this Riffian is as perfect a Nordic as one could find in northern Europe. Nordics are ancient in Northern Africa as the Egyptian monuments of the Middle Kingdom, and perhaps older. They survive today mostly in the mountains of the Rif, Aures mountains of Algeria, the Canary Islands and the Djurdjura .
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It was very relevant to the Kabyle people, and well-referenced. I've just put it back.
However, I wasn't able to get the two pictures back for that part. You can choose from those: https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/1378460_1405727639656608_1603671122_n.jpg
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http://affability.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/kalashyq6.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/923481_574939725873448_769840794_n.jpg
Please don't delete big paragraphs without consulting.
197.200.27.97 ( talk) 05:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC) Well referenced? References to a books written by 1 man now ascociated with eugenics and scientific racism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carleton_S._Coon#Posthumous_reputation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Electravox ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Why are the Vandals missing from here? Is that not the most important element that should be at the start of this wiki??? 112.198.83.58 ( talk) 07:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I can't believe that there is an all-male race where are the pictures of females under Iqvayliyen? -- Fastez ( talk) 18:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
None other than Pierre Bourdieu conducted an anthropological study about the Kabyles in the 60s. While, given its age, it might be outdated in itself, I think that it played some role in the development of Bourdieus larger sociological theory. -- Mike F ( talk) 13:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
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I reverted all the unreferenced information but please to keep a eye out for it. Arsi786 ( talk) 23:53, 2 May 2019
Berber/Atlas are messing with the wiki page again. Arsi786 ( talk) 21:34, 10 May 2019
With regard to this revert:
1. UNPO is not a reliable source. It's financed by its members to promote their POV. The fact that it's showing an incorrect map, giving a baseless area estimate and estimating the Kabyles at one third of the population should tell you something.
2. Wikipedia's content is based on encyclopedic content. That means, the editors are expected to familiarize themselves with WP:COPO and what Wikipedia is not.
3. The WP:ONUS to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. M.Bitton ( talk) 16:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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The topics I'm referring to are the war for independence and self-determination that succeeded Algeria's independence and the subsequent persecution of the Kabylis. If anyone has any addition, please do so. BlueLight05 ( talk) 06:19, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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Kabyle means tribesman it's a name giving by the Arabs who invaded north Africa to the aboriginal people (amazigh) of north Africa also called Berbers which refers to barbarian by the Romans who also invaded north Africa. amazigh or imazighen for plural 50.212.164.37 ( talk) 20:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC) Kabyle means tribesman it's a name giving by the Arabs who invaded north Africa to the aboriginal people (amazigh) of north Africa also called Berbers which refers to barbarian by the Romans who also invaded north Africa. amazigh or imazighen for plural
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Hi, MSA is taught and used; the others arabic dialects is also spoken. The relative source does not specify the variants but encompasses all in Arabic. I agree to do the same. [1], [2] Tackclean ( talk) 21:54, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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Sources show that different variants are spoken in Algeria including MSA, Moroccan/Algerian arabic (there are different variant among them), Hassaniya arabic. And all is a part of Arabic language. Specifying which variants are spoken on this article is not wise. To my mind, it would be better to put all in one. Tackclean ( talk) 18:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Hello, there were wildfires in Kabylia in 2021, mostly by arsons, causing death, home destruction and protest marches. To my mind, these informations are as legitimate as the Black spings or the Arouch movement. [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15]. Talelevel ( talk) 16:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC) |
@ Whatever748 I'm advising you to come use the talk page to avoid an edit war. Accusing me of lying just shows your inability to understand the source. I'll quote it: "As to the lexical item 'Kabyle', it is a distortion of the Arabic word qbail, 'bail or qba'il which had two meanings. The first one refers to the plural of qbela and means 'tribes that live among sedentary populations'. The second meaning derives from the Arabic verb qbel and to signify 'to accept' – following the Arab conquest in the 7th century, invaders used this word for local populations that 'accepted' the Koranic message". In your edit you:
In your other edit, you removed the content that says Kabyles were assimilated into the Arab culture of Algeria probably because you didn't like it. "Berbers have through the centuries participated actively and fully in the Arabic cultural life of Algeria" is just another way of saying that Kabyles were integrated into Algerian Arab culture, we can rephrase that if it hurts your feelings. Projecting your source misrepresentation and lying on me won't work. Skitash ( talk) 18:24, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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Links to [Black Spring] point to an irrelevant article. idiotoff 19:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
== Genetics section == I am kablye my grandfather had blue eyes and my grandmother has red hair both with skin lighter then most europeans
i don't think that it's true that 'french' and 'algerian arabic' are kabyle's languages. must i remember you that kabyle people HATE everything how's arab(for political reasons)?And about french i must remember you that it's the language of the old colonial power,ever if a lot of kabyles know it very well.so i don't think that there's a lot of kabyles who agree with the idea that french is their own language. Wikpedia is a incredible source of excellent informations,that's why i want to make it better.i suggest you to put only 'KABYLE' in the section 'language' of the 'kabyle people' article.i'm kabyle and this is the opinion of 99% of kabyles. my best salutation to you, you're doing a INCREDIBLE work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.66.128.22 ( talk) 11:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
You are wrong. There are many assimilated kabyles who speak algerian Arabic, especially in the Algiers region. But of course, nobody speaks french at home. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.66.36.72 ( talk) 15:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Both of you are wrong. The french language is respected amongst the kabyle people. Most see it as a way to cultivate themselves and ,for a long period of time, to communicate with the rest of the world.(This is of course changing as more of them are starting to speak english) There is a difference between the past french imperialistic government and the french language in itself.
Also, it was wrong to state that kabyle people do not speak french at home as it is not the case. Some families do speak french at home and i believe there are more french words present in the kabyle language than arabic ones. A large majority of kabyles do not speak arabic at all.(they learn formal arabic at school but do not employ it in their daily life) 2602:306:330B:EC0:35CE:3535:C6E6:2777 ( talk) 07:43, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
and what about the relation between kabyls and greeks? every kabyl and every greek know the similarity of our origins, languages, alphabets(greek alphabet and tifinagh alphabet),culture....but the wikipedia article don't talk about it
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{ Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I came here after reading about Zinedine Zidane, and saw what I thought was an honest mistake or some shit... If you include studies in the text they have to be cited so everyone can see the source...
What is in the article now(from Arredi...)
->"The Y chromosome is passed exclusively through the paternal line. The composition of Y Chromozome is: 48% E3b1b (E-M81), 12% E3b* (xE3b1b), 17% R1*(xR1a) and 23% F*(xH, I,J2,K) [1]. According to this study (Arredi et al.2004) the North African pattern of Y-chromosomal variation (including both E3b and J haplogroups) is largely of Neolithic origin which suggests that the Neolithic transition in this part of the world was accompanied by demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic–speaking pastoralists from Africa."
"...from Africa."
To my understanding the people of N Africa were from the middle east primarily (came out of east africa spreading e3b1), where afro-ASIATIC lanugages came from and were introduced to Africa through the spread of middle easternern farmers/pastoralists during the neolithic. Anybody who has taken an Anth 101 class should know that the pastoralists came from the FERTILE CRESCENT.
I have found Arredis study abstact on google, I will cite it at the bottom.. lets see what Arredi REALLY SAYS:
->"We have typed 275 men from five populations in Algeria, Tunisia, and Egypt with a set of 119 binary markers and 15 microsatellites from the Y chromosome, and we have analyzed the results together with published data from Moroccan populations. North African Y-chromosomal diversity is geographically structured and fits the pattern expected under an isolation-by-distance model. Autocorrelation analyses reveal an east-west cline of genetic variation that extends into the Middle East and is compatible with a hypothesis of demic expansion. This expansion must have involved relatively small numbers of Y chromosomes to account for the reduction in gene diversity towards the West that accompanied the frequency increase of Y haplogroup E3b2, but gene flow must have been maintained to explain the observed pattern of isolation-by-distance. Since the estimates of the times to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCAs) of the most common haplogroups are quite recent, we suggest that the North African pattern of Y-chromosomal variation is largely of Neolithic origin. Thus, we propose that the Neolithic transition in this part of the world was accompanied by demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic-speaking pastoralists from the Middle East."
"...from the Middle East."
Didt even need to look in depth to see that it was wrong. Its obvious to me that the editor is INTENTIONALLY FALSIFYING INFORMATION AND DIDNT EDIT WITH GOOD INTENTIONS...NO WAY YOU CAN QUOTE IT ALL RIGHT EXCEPT FOR THAT ALL IMPORTANT LITTLE WORD AT THE END. Assume good faith...lol. Who knows what their motivation was, but whoever it is a dumbass peice of crap and this is why wikipedia sux balls and no professor with half a goddamn brain lets you reference wikipedia. - 134.121.247.116 ( talk) 08:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
The article says (on 2008-12-19) : "It is interesting to note that the Nazi racialists considered the Berbers especially the Kabyle as part of the Aryan race".
Why would that be interesting?
Interesting to whom?
Other racists? (And what is a "racialist"?)
That sentence should be deleted. There really is no need to propagate queer nazist ideology. Erik Rossini ( talk) 20:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Why? Because other North Africans don't look white and have Goth blood.
To whom? To those who have noticed this.
Sentence is probably important and relevant, Kabyles mainly noted for being white in appearance, let's not lie to ourselves here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.252.92.57 ( talk) 01:57, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
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If this section is maintained, I suggest it to be rewritten so it would describe the activity of people and not the the economy of Kabylie which has its own article where the economy can be described in details. ( Zepard ( talk) 15:58, 24 January 2010 (UTC))
Budhism (Budhist), some Roman catholic, protestant athist unrecognized minorities, some suni terrorists.
Here's what we can read in this part. Can someone correct it ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.6.177.80 ( talk) 22:10, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Also, is there any support for the present claim that the Kabyles were traditionally Christian? What is the basis of this statement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.105.202.3 ( talk) 16:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Doubtful. Maybe Western Kabyle, but they number only in the thousands. The millions in Algeria are all Muslim, albeit, I hear, practicers are not that common. UltimateDarkloid ( talk) 13:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I've corrected misleading assertions in the Religion section, and added references to the Encyclopedia Britannica; I hope that will put an end to all the editing back and forth that's been going on here. Obiara ( talk) 20:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
What is the source for these given numbers? It seems to me as unreliable as the one about Maghrebim, that has recently been removed due to lack of sources. According to this [1] and this [2], the Kabyle are not that abundant in the West. Not sure how reliable these sources are, but they do disagree with the sources provided here. UltimateDarkloid ( talk) 13:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
this flag is not specific to the kabylian region. defense of using it in this article
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Omar2788 ( talk • contribs) 14:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
This will serve as advance notice to other interested contributors that I intend to delete most of the section entitled "Brief People's History" and replace it with a much shorter section in a more appropriate position in the History section further down. Besides the very large number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors, there are numerous problems with this section, which consists almost entirely of irrelevant, questionable or obviously incorrect information:
Please post any concerns about this proposed deletion and replacement here. Thank you. Obiara ( talk) 22:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
The following issues in this article are disputed:
Dzlinker, could you explain the deletion of several informations in the article, including:
If some informations seems for you to be doubtful, you're invited to precise the need of sources. If you think that some facts are false, than you can give relevant sources indicating clearely the contrary. Anyways, i invite you to discuss all these points here before changing the article.
PS: I also invite you to use polite language, forbidding words like "tmenyik" ("bullshit" in arabic) and generally non-english words. I remember you that we're on ENGLISH SPEAKING version of wikipedia. Nabilus junius ( talk) 23:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
"The Kabyle people are mainly Muslim with a large Christian community" [1]
I find this additions to be of original research ,Forgery , poorly sourced and strangely worded. That's why I will revert it to : The Kabyle people are mainly Muslims with a few Christians [2], If you wish to challenged that, I suggest you take your complaint to the reliable sources noticeboard, but I have to tell you, they are obviously going to find it to be reliable.
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on the other hand :
the following should be checked for original research: Recently, there has been a growing Protestant (chiefly evangelical) community.[2] Since the 19th century, there has been a large nominal Sunni Muslim community.[3] Among Kabyle Muslims, the main tradition is maraboutism,[4] a version of heterogeneous Islam mixing Sunni tradition and many Kabyle cultural elements. However, Kabyle society is known for its strong secular tradition. Religious differences play minor roles in political and social life.[citation needed]
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The general table presents basic informations about a given community. More detailed information must be within the article. About the language's section of the table, it must presents the mother tongue of the group, the community. In this case it's kabyle language which is the only mother tongue inside the Kabyle group.
Kabyle individuals who are living outside the Kabyle environnement (either in Algeria or abroad) is another point : their mother tongue is the one of the region in which they evolve (if we follow this way we must add English, spoken by the kabyle-Canadians, Spanish, Russian, Danish, Japanese...ect)
About the fact that Algerian Arabic and French are languages widely spread within the Kabyle population, this returns within the framework of the second and not native languages.
Generally speaking, all these information must be given in the article itself, in the specific section. It's the case here, so it's ok.
PS : Classic Arabic is absolutely not spoken as a native language neither in Kabylia, nor generally in any place in Algeria or North Africa. Nabilus junius ( talk) 14:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Kabyle people is a multi-religious group. There's no official census about religion in Algeria, but most of statistics give approximately 40 to 50 % of Muslims, for 20/30% of Christians and neighborhood 30/40% of unbelievers. We thus have no Muslim absolute majority. Even though it was the case, does this arbitrary categorization correspond to the will of a majority of kabyles ? Undoubtedly not. The Kabyle nation is widely secular, many Kabyles are just nominally Muslims, and the kabylo-Berber culture is rather foreign to Islam.
I would like to know what an Azeri Islamist living in Germany knows exactly about kabyles and their society ? Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, but it doesn' dispense of having a minimum of knowledges in the subjects on which we wish to contribute. It is not a game.
Besides, the category " Muslim communities " does not include either Turkish, or Iranian, or even Arab people !!! I recommend you to create a specific article " Kabyle Muslims ", which you could include in this category, and in which you could describe in detail the customs and the specific traditions of the Muslims of Kabyle origin (what could help us to see your large knowledge of the subject). Nabilus junius ( talk) 09:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Contrary to what you say your political-ideological positions (not very moderate, we must say it), have an importance because they directly seem to interfere in your judgment on the question in debate. Nabilus junius ( talk) 10:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Kabyle people's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "S-Coon_RacesOfEurope1":
Nordics are ancient in Northern Africa as the Egyptian monuments of the Middle Kingdom, and perhaps older. They survive today mostly in the mountains of the Rif, but others are found in the Canary Islands, and the Djurdjura and Aures mountains of Algeria.
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help)A Riffian from the coastal village of Ajdir, in the tribe of Beni Uriaghel. In pigment, in measurements, and morphologically this Riffian is as perfect a Nordic as one could find in northern Europe. Nordics are ancient in Northern Africa as the Egyptian monuments of the Middle Kingdom, and perhaps older. They survive today mostly in the mountains of the Rif, Aures mountains of Algeria, the Canary Islands and the Djurdjura .
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It was very relevant to the Kabyle people, and well-referenced. I've just put it back.
However, I wasn't able to get the two pictures back for that part. You can choose from those: https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/1378460_1405727639656608_1603671122_n.jpg
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mab3xid9771qgrypy.jpg
http://affability.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/kalashyq6.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/923481_574939725873448_769840794_n.jpg
Please don't delete big paragraphs without consulting.
197.200.27.97 ( talk) 05:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC) Well referenced? References to a books written by 1 man now ascociated with eugenics and scientific racism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carleton_S._Coon#Posthumous_reputation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Electravox ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Why are the Vandals missing from here? Is that not the most important element that should be at the start of this wiki??? 112.198.83.58 ( talk) 07:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I can't believe that there is an all-male race where are the pictures of females under Iqvayliyen? -- Fastez ( talk) 18:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
None other than Pierre Bourdieu conducted an anthropological study about the Kabyles in the 60s. While, given its age, it might be outdated in itself, I think that it played some role in the development of Bourdieus larger sociological theory. -- Mike F ( talk) 13:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
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I reverted all the unreferenced information but please to keep a eye out for it. Arsi786 ( talk) 23:53, 2 May 2019
Berber/Atlas are messing with the wiki page again. Arsi786 ( talk) 21:34, 10 May 2019
With regard to this revert:
1. UNPO is not a reliable source. It's financed by its members to promote their POV. The fact that it's showing an incorrect map, giving a baseless area estimate and estimating the Kabyles at one third of the population should tell you something.
2. Wikipedia's content is based on encyclopedic content. That means, the editors are expected to familiarize themselves with WP:COPO and what Wikipedia is not.
3. The WP:ONUS to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. M.Bitton ( talk) 16:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
This account that I'm using is not affiliated with anyone and the IP's aren't mine. This is my personal. If anyone knows how or wants to check, feel free to do so. Regards, BlueLight05 ( talk) 06:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
The topics I'm referring to are the war for independence and self-determination that succeeded Algeria's independence and the subsequent persecution of the Kabylis. If anyone has any addition, please do so. BlueLight05 ( talk) 06:19, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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Kabyle means tribesman it's a name giving by the Arabs who invaded north Africa to the aboriginal people (amazigh) of north Africa also called Berbers which refers to barbarian by the Romans who also invaded north Africa. amazigh or imazighen for plural 50.212.164.37 ( talk) 20:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC) Kabyle means tribesman it's a name giving by the Arabs who invaded north Africa to the aboriginal people (amazigh) of north Africa also called Berbers which refers to barbarian by the Romans who also invaded north Africa. amazigh or imazighen for plural
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Hi, MSA is taught and used; the others arabic dialects is also spoken. The relative source does not specify the variants but encompasses all in Arabic. I agree to do the same. [1], [2] Tackclean ( talk) 21:54, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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Sources show that different variants are spoken in Algeria including MSA, Moroccan/Algerian arabic (there are different variant among them), Hassaniya arabic. And all is a part of Arabic language. Specifying which variants are spoken on this article is not wise. To my mind, it would be better to put all in one. Tackclean ( talk) 18:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Hello, there were wildfires in Kabylia in 2021, mostly by arsons, causing death, home destruction and protest marches. To my mind, these informations are as legitimate as the Black spings or the Arouch movement. [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15]. Talelevel ( talk) 16:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC) |
@ Whatever748 I'm advising you to come use the talk page to avoid an edit war. Accusing me of lying just shows your inability to understand the source. I'll quote it: "As to the lexical item 'Kabyle', it is a distortion of the Arabic word qbail, 'bail or qba'il which had two meanings. The first one refers to the plural of qbela and means 'tribes that live among sedentary populations'. The second meaning derives from the Arabic verb qbel and to signify 'to accept' – following the Arab conquest in the 7th century, invaders used this word for local populations that 'accepted' the Koranic message". In your edit you:
In your other edit, you removed the content that says Kabyles were assimilated into the Arab culture of Algeria probably because you didn't like it. "Berbers have through the centuries participated actively and fully in the Arabic cultural life of Algeria" is just another way of saying that Kabyles were integrated into Algerian Arab culture, we can rephrase that if it hurts your feelings. Projecting your source misrepresentation and lying on me won't work. Skitash ( talk) 18:24, 26 April 2023 (UTC)