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Ubykh actually has 26 fricative phonemes, and thus outstrips Kabardian by 4. I'll change this in the article. thefamouseccles 00:27 27 March 2004 (UTC)
Who edited this page last? Most linguists, and the Kabardians themselves, accept that Kabardian is a different language from Adyghe; for a start, Kabardian only has two phonemic vowels, whereas Adyghe has three. Have a look at [1], the Ethnologue entry. Both are part of a Circassian subfamily, but I and others would argue strongly that Kabardian and Adyghe are not the same language. I'm changing this back until I hear from this author, and will add some detail to this page soon. thefamouseccles 05:01, 02 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If you are a native speaker of Kabardian then you can help translate this template into your own language:
kbd | Мы нэбгырэм адыгэбзэр и ныдэлъфыбзэщ. |
-- Amazonien ( talk) 04:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Might add to the article that Kabardian gained a certain amount of notoriety in some scholarly circles when it was proposed that it has only one underlying vowel or vowel phoneme (an analysis rejected by other linguists)... AnonMoos ( talk) 13:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that the Ejective consonants in the Phonology chart and Orthography chart have to be change to velarized ejective consonants. the Adyghe people and the Kabardian people pronounce the Ejective consonants as velarized ejective consonants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamsa123 ( talk • contribs) 17:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
The Kabardian people aren't closely related to the Adyghe people, they are one of the Adyghe people. the Adyghe people are the twelve Adyghe tribes : Abadzekh, Besleney, Bzhedug, Yegeruqay, Zhaney, Kabarday, Mamheg, Natukhai, Temirgoy, Ubykh, Shapsug and Hatuqwai. They all speak the Adyghe language (Adygabze) each with its own dialect for example the Kabardian people speak the Kabardian language, the Shapsug people speak the Shapsug language. the Kabardian people see themselves as Adyghe too and not something different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.179.238.18 ( talk) 05:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
The article mentions that Kabardian has an ergative case and is ergative-absolutive, but the gloss of one sentence includes NOM - nominative case. Mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.230.175.53 ( talk) 01:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I completely rewrote this section based on actual sources. Note that all except Halle's article are generally available online (Halle's article is only on JSTOR, i.e. you need access to a university). I deleted some stuff on Cyrillic representation of vowels because (a) it's already present in the general table; (b) it confuses phonemic notation (//) with surface phonetic notation ([]). If the Cyrillic writes ко, that means [ko] like you'd expect. /kʷa/ is the underlying phonemic analysis, but this should be obvious given the current text in the section on vowels. Benwing ( talk) 22:46, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
This page seems to have been done by someone who is largely unqualified to write the article. His classification of vowels is TOTALLY of the wall. His transcriptions of consonants are not IPA standard. Kabardian isn't a dialect of the Adyghe language, but a separate language. ЦIыху means person, not woman. Woman is цIыхубз. The treatment of the verb is TOTALLY INADEQUATE, covering only Stative verbs. In general the Wikipedia in Kabardian is becoming a mixed-up mess, representing a jumble of two languages, Kabardian and Adyghe. There should be two versions, one for each language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.76.30.67 ( talk) 13:02, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately there are a lot of issues in this article. First of all, its content is extremely misleading. I could fix it on my own, but such changes might seem radical to those who cannot speak Kabardian dialect or who does not have an adequate knowledge (other than reading the current problematic version) about this dialect. I feel sorry that I need to discuss all those issues on this talk page that slow the process while the problems in the article are of a kind that should be fixed immediately. Finally the title (Kabardian dialect) is in a quite acceptable form though I believe that Kabardian Adyghe dialect would also be the most appropriate title for this article, but both are okay and we can keep the current one which is also shorther in length. When I have time, I hope to be here to discuss each of the issues one by one. If I keep editing today, my version would still be much better than the current one, but I really do not like temporary solutions. I should edit it when I have much free time. I am also very sorry that I did not take notice of such errors until recently. I am afraid false information is already spread all over the internet (or beyond that). I see that some previous commentors on this page were already aware of the issues, but it seems many users, including myself, do not often check talk pages. Listofpeople ( talk) 20:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Sincerely, Listofpeople ( talk) 01:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I've reverted some recent edits to this page, and explained myself in here. The discussion concerns many articles, so I thought it would be a good idea to keep it central. I hereby invite everyone who is interested to join the discussion on Talk:Northwest Caucasian languages. Thank you
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Ubykh actually has 26 fricative phonemes, and thus outstrips Kabardian by 4. I'll change this in the article. thefamouseccles 00:27 27 March 2004 (UTC)
Who edited this page last? Most linguists, and the Kabardians themselves, accept that Kabardian is a different language from Adyghe; for a start, Kabardian only has two phonemic vowels, whereas Adyghe has three. Have a look at [1], the Ethnologue entry. Both are part of a Circassian subfamily, but I and others would argue strongly that Kabardian and Adyghe are not the same language. I'm changing this back until I hear from this author, and will add some detail to this page soon. thefamouseccles 05:01, 02 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If you are a native speaker of Kabardian then you can help translate this template into your own language:
kbd | Мы нэбгырэм адыгэбзэр и ныдэлъфыбзэщ. |
-- Amazonien ( talk) 04:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Might add to the article that Kabardian gained a certain amount of notoriety in some scholarly circles when it was proposed that it has only one underlying vowel or vowel phoneme (an analysis rejected by other linguists)... AnonMoos ( talk) 13:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that the Ejective consonants in the Phonology chart and Orthography chart have to be change to velarized ejective consonants. the Adyghe people and the Kabardian people pronounce the Ejective consonants as velarized ejective consonants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamsa123 ( talk • contribs) 17:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
The Kabardian people aren't closely related to the Adyghe people, they are one of the Adyghe people. the Adyghe people are the twelve Adyghe tribes : Abadzekh, Besleney, Bzhedug, Yegeruqay, Zhaney, Kabarday, Mamheg, Natukhai, Temirgoy, Ubykh, Shapsug and Hatuqwai. They all speak the Adyghe language (Adygabze) each with its own dialect for example the Kabardian people speak the Kabardian language, the Shapsug people speak the Shapsug language. the Kabardian people see themselves as Adyghe too and not something different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.179.238.18 ( talk) 05:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
The article mentions that Kabardian has an ergative case and is ergative-absolutive, but the gloss of one sentence includes NOM - nominative case. Mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.230.175.53 ( talk) 01:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I completely rewrote this section based on actual sources. Note that all except Halle's article are generally available online (Halle's article is only on JSTOR, i.e. you need access to a university). I deleted some stuff on Cyrillic representation of vowels because (a) it's already present in the general table; (b) it confuses phonemic notation (//) with surface phonetic notation ([]). If the Cyrillic writes ко, that means [ko] like you'd expect. /kʷa/ is the underlying phonemic analysis, but this should be obvious given the current text in the section on vowels. Benwing ( talk) 22:46, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
This page seems to have been done by someone who is largely unqualified to write the article. His classification of vowels is TOTALLY of the wall. His transcriptions of consonants are not IPA standard. Kabardian isn't a dialect of the Adyghe language, but a separate language. ЦIыху means person, not woman. Woman is цIыхубз. The treatment of the verb is TOTALLY INADEQUATE, covering only Stative verbs. In general the Wikipedia in Kabardian is becoming a mixed-up mess, representing a jumble of two languages, Kabardian and Adyghe. There should be two versions, one for each language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.76.30.67 ( talk) 13:02, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately there are a lot of issues in this article. First of all, its content is extremely misleading. I could fix it on my own, but such changes might seem radical to those who cannot speak Kabardian dialect or who does not have an adequate knowledge (other than reading the current problematic version) about this dialect. I feel sorry that I need to discuss all those issues on this talk page that slow the process while the problems in the article are of a kind that should be fixed immediately. Finally the title (Kabardian dialect) is in a quite acceptable form though I believe that Kabardian Adyghe dialect would also be the most appropriate title for this article, but both are okay and we can keep the current one which is also shorther in length. When I have time, I hope to be here to discuss each of the issues one by one. If I keep editing today, my version would still be much better than the current one, but I really do not like temporary solutions. I should edit it when I have much free time. I am also very sorry that I did not take notice of such errors until recently. I am afraid false information is already spread all over the internet (or beyond that). I see that some previous commentors on this page were already aware of the issues, but it seems many users, including myself, do not often check talk pages. Listofpeople ( talk) 20:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Sincerely, Listofpeople ( talk) 01:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I've reverted some recent edits to this page, and explained myself in here. The discussion concerns many articles, so I thought it would be a good idea to keep it central. I hereby invite everyone who is interested to join the discussion on Talk:Northwest Caucasian languages. Thank you
Vito Genovese 13:41, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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