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Greetings, at the "Background" section I added a statement with cite about Zurah. I am asking here for help to verify if that is correct? If yes, I will de-orphan Zurah article. Regards, JoeNMLC ( talk) 16:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Should we mention the 1957 and 1996 repairs? Perhaps not on the scale of the 1626 work but still significant. ©Geni ( talk) 00:41, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
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AgisdeSparte: where in the source does it say This factor partly explains why Muslims in Western colonial empires refused to join the Ottoman Empire during World War I
? This doesn't make much sense since theu were colonized and therefore, were in no position to choose what to do.
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In the town of La Calle, there were similar doubts, but local figures believed that if the news was true, then the Turks "must be regarded as the slaves of the German people." In Meskania, the Turks were already accused of being "false believers" who had hypocritically used Islam. In short, although some uncertainty remained, the image of Turkey as a beacon of Islam rapidly deteriorated, and sympathy for the Arab brothers in the Levant naturally gained ground.AgisdeSparte ( talk) 10:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
From 1914 to 1916, the supreme weapon of pan-Islamism was more of a damp squib than an atomic bomb. The colonial powers, who took pride in the loyalty of their subjects, should have shown more humility because passivity does not equate to loyalty. Despite being disappointed and disheartened, Germany maintained the belief that it could still turn the tables if the balance of power shifted. At the beginning of 1916, despite the limited successes achieved so far, Germany wanted to believe that the French and British had been humiliated at the Dardanelles, Serbia eliminated from the war theater, a British army forced to surrender at Kut-el-Amara on the road to Baghdad, and there was no longer any fear from Russia after its defeats in 1915. Finally, there were doubts about whether France, severely attacked at Verdun, would hold up. However, instead of crowning the largely unrewarded efforts of the Berlin jihadists, the year 1916 marked their complete failure. On June 10th, Sharif Hussein Ben Ali of Mecca switched to the Allied side and labeled the Turks as traitors to Islam. What's more, he himself called for a holy war to liberate Arab lands from the grip of the Ottomans. Jihad against jihad. Muslims against Muslims. The theme of pan-Islamism, the struggle of all believers against colonialists, was immediately blown apart. Germany had not realized that the Ottoman Empire could also be considered an occupying power. In essence, Arabs were no different from Europeans: religion was not the sole adhesive of their identity, and the national idea far surpassed it. With the collapse of the pan-Islamist illusion, the veil was lifted: the Great War was not a religious war. However, instead of crowning the largely unrewarded efforts of the Berlin jihadists, the year 1916 marked their complete failure. On June 10th, Sharif Hussein Ben Ali of Mecca switched to the Allied side and labeled the Turks as traitors to Islam. What's more, he himself called for a holy war to liberate Arab lands from the grip of the Ottomans. Jihad against jihad. Muslims against Muslims. The theme of pan-Islamism, the struggle of all believers against colonialists, was immediately blown apart. Germany had not realized that the Ottoman Empire could also be considered an occupying power. In essence, Arabs were no different from Europeans: religion was not the sole adhesive of their identity, and the national idea far surpassed it. With the collapse of the pan-Islamist illusion, the veil was lifted: the Great War was not a religious war.
The introductory paragraph claims the current structure was built in 683, which is contradicted in the section about its history after Muhammad, which says it has been destroyed and rebuilt multiple times since then. Is this an oversight, or is "the current structure" meant to refer to its general form and not the exact structure we have today? 129.2.192.176 ( talk) 17:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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Greetings, at the "Background" section I added a statement with cite about Zurah. I am asking here for help to verify if that is correct? If yes, I will de-orphan Zurah article. Regards, JoeNMLC ( talk) 16:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Should we mention the 1957 and 1996 repairs? Perhaps not on the scale of the 1626 work but still significant. ©Geni ( talk) 00:41, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
@
AgisdeSparte: where in the source does it say This factor partly explains why Muslims in Western colonial empires refused to join the Ottoman Empire during World War I
? This doesn't make much sense since theu were colonized and therefore, were in no position to choose what to do.
M.Bitton (
talk) 09:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
In the town of La Calle, there were similar doubts, but local figures believed that if the news was true, then the Turks "must be regarded as the slaves of the German people." In Meskania, the Turks were already accused of being "false believers" who had hypocritically used Islam. In short, although some uncertainty remained, the image of Turkey as a beacon of Islam rapidly deteriorated, and sympathy for the Arab brothers in the Levant naturally gained ground.AgisdeSparte ( talk) 10:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
From 1914 to 1916, the supreme weapon of pan-Islamism was more of a damp squib than an atomic bomb. The colonial powers, who took pride in the loyalty of their subjects, should have shown more humility because passivity does not equate to loyalty. Despite being disappointed and disheartened, Germany maintained the belief that it could still turn the tables if the balance of power shifted. At the beginning of 1916, despite the limited successes achieved so far, Germany wanted to believe that the French and British had been humiliated at the Dardanelles, Serbia eliminated from the war theater, a British army forced to surrender at Kut-el-Amara on the road to Baghdad, and there was no longer any fear from Russia after its defeats in 1915. Finally, there were doubts about whether France, severely attacked at Verdun, would hold up. However, instead of crowning the largely unrewarded efforts of the Berlin jihadists, the year 1916 marked their complete failure. On June 10th, Sharif Hussein Ben Ali of Mecca switched to the Allied side and labeled the Turks as traitors to Islam. What's more, he himself called for a holy war to liberate Arab lands from the grip of the Ottomans. Jihad against jihad. Muslims against Muslims. The theme of pan-Islamism, the struggle of all believers against colonialists, was immediately blown apart. Germany had not realized that the Ottoman Empire could also be considered an occupying power. In essence, Arabs were no different from Europeans: religion was not the sole adhesive of their identity, and the national idea far surpassed it. With the collapse of the pan-Islamist illusion, the veil was lifted: the Great War was not a religious war. However, instead of crowning the largely unrewarded efforts of the Berlin jihadists, the year 1916 marked their complete failure. On June 10th, Sharif Hussein Ben Ali of Mecca switched to the Allied side and labeled the Turks as traitors to Islam. What's more, he himself called for a holy war to liberate Arab lands from the grip of the Ottomans. Jihad against jihad. Muslims against Muslims. The theme of pan-Islamism, the struggle of all believers against colonialists, was immediately blown apart. Germany had not realized that the Ottoman Empire could also be considered an occupying power. In essence, Arabs were no different from Europeans: religion was not the sole adhesive of their identity, and the national idea far surpassed it. With the collapse of the pan-Islamist illusion, the veil was lifted: the Great War was not a religious war.
The introductory paragraph claims the current structure was built in 683, which is contradicted in the section about its history after Muhammad, which says it has been destroyed and rebuilt multiple times since then. Is this an oversight, or is "the current structure" meant to refer to its general form and not the exact structure we have today? 129.2.192.176 ( talk) 17:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)