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moving dubious etymology:
In another Indo-European language , Sanskrit juta means matted hair, jata braid of hair , in East Ind. jhuto ,the same.
In other words it means exactly the same as the German word rope which consists of matted, braided hair (plant fibre). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.232.67.xxx ( talk) 21:51, 1 October 2001 (UTC)
I have removed Billund and Ribe from the list of largest cities. Having them there was simply ridiculous. But the list still needs to be edited. -- Troels Nybo 09:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
-- Right, the list is a bit dubious... Why is Flensburg ranked #4? What about Lübeck? Norderstedt maybe? I'm not sure about Vejle's position, according to the German article they have rearranged the region's administrative structure and now it has >100,000 inhabitants. -- 212.7.132.130 13:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I believe the image of the flag should be removed. I first heard of it many years ago, but I've never seen a single example of it used in the real world. If anyone has additional information feel free to correct me, but I believe it is pretty close to a hoax. Regards. Valentinian (talk) 19:02, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
being a Native of jutland and a vexillophile i must say i think the flag should be removed. Another flag (see: olmo.1go.dk/jyske-fane1.gif) is occasionally used - this flag I have simply never seen before.—Preceding
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Den Jydske Fane was used during the seven year war. The flag of jutland as Dannebrog in reverse colours has surgested in 1972, but has never found use. Furthermore Vendsyssel (most northen part of the peninsula) has its own flag.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.198.210.66 ( talk • contribs) 07:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello there! Just in case you are open for new requests, here's another article that I would like to see adorned with a better map: the Jutland Peninsula. I want the map to help illustrate an upcoming edit by me which will help explain how Lauenburg to the south and North Jutlandic Island are commonly reckoned as part of Jutland, even though technically they are not. Also, the current map does not show the Limfjorden as physically disecting the peninsula. My vision for the project would be to endeavour to delimit the extent of the peninsula physically, ethno-culturally and administratively. To illustrate this: The northern delimitation would be either the Skagerrak (administratively) or the Limfjord (geographically, since 1825); the southern extremity is either the isthmus (geographically) which arguably disects Holstein, or a line following the Eider River and the Danevirke defensive wall ( the traditional ethnic boundary between the North Germanic tribes and the continental Germanic peoples proper) or the modern political border as established by plebiscite in 1920.
Suggested list of toponyms and geographical features to be included:
So, what do you say buddy? Do you reckon you have the zest and the time to take on this request of mine? If yes, rest assured that your efforts would generate one grateful peninsula! ; BigAdamsky| TALK| EDITS| 15:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Didnt know exactly how you wanted the colors depicted, but this shows most of the features mentioned above. Some other things:
It's pretty good so far, but the map needs few minor tweaks.
Four things:
Hm, what you mean, is the Cimbrian Peninsula. Jutland is the part of Denmark starting north of the border to Germany. No one in Schleswig-Holstein or Denmark ever calls the southern part of the peninsula "Jutland". The Cimbrian Peninsula and Jutland are in my terms (and I live in Schleswig-Holstein) two different geographical things. It must also be noted, that our both people use the terms like that. -- Arne List 17:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Arne, I have done some cursory surfing and searching on what this peninsula is called, and apparently sources in German say (just as you stated) that the landform is not called Jütland in German, since this name is reserved for the Danish region, exclusively. Some English and Danish encyclopedias also add a clause saying that "usually/sometimes the name refers only to the Danish part of the peninsula" and will use terms such as Jutland Peninsula or Jydske halvø if they wish to be explicit that it is the entire physical landform they are referring to. However, translations of Kimbrische Halbinsel are not used in any non-German sources that I have come across (except in ancient texts). We should probably mention this in the article, yes? BigAdamsky| TALK| EDITS| 11:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Kimbrische Halbinsel is indeed an old but nevertheless very valid expression. The solution may be the context in wich it is used. It is a geographic term used by geographers, in modern normal life this expression is simply nearly useless and therefor rarely used. I first heard of this expression (always "Kimbrische Halbinsel" not Cimbria and never Cimmeria which is something completely else) in school and have come accross it ever since though not often and not in motoring atlases or touristic material but rather in geographic works or biological maps. -- 217.251.41.167 23:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
The present status of the introduction to this voice is contradictory. We must decide whether the German region is (as stated in the second paragraph) or is not (as in the first paragraph) part of Jutland. Nicola.Manini ( talk) 10:16, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
as this is an articel of the peninsula, a statemeant (and an slightly overstated one) about jutlandic dialects in the Danbish part seems displaced.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.198.210.66 ( talk • contribs) 07:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Sentence 2: The German state of Schleswig-Holstein is part of the Cimbrian Peninsula (also called Jutland Peninsula), but not part of Jutland. Sentence 3: The German parts of Jutland peninsula today form the state of Schleswig-Holstein . These sentences are inconsistent. -- Orik1949 ( talk) 23:43, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that the article refers to:
but never defines "South Jutland". I can understand "South Jutlandic" being an accepted term for a dialect among linguists, but I think the phrase "South Jutland" should be defined in some way.
CorinneSD ( talk) 18:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Just noticed that Jutland Peninsula has a merge tag and is pretty clear that's the same subject, I will make the merge as soon as I have time. Bertdrunk ( talk) 01:22, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to hide the section for now. Feel free to delete my markup if someone can actually develop it (given that it's been tagged since January.) ɯɐɔ 💬 00:19, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
The assertion that Niels Hausgaard uses a Jutish dialect (and the assertion that that is notable enough to include on the page) is unsourced. I cannot find a source for it, so it appears to be original research. The assertion that Ib Grønbech uses a Jutish dialect is sourced to 3 sources in Danish, which, when translated, show no indication that he "used a Jutish dialect" in his work. So this also appears to be original research. Ewen Douglas ( talk) 02:30, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
If the the statement "Although most of Schleswig-Holstein is geographically part of the peninsula, most German residents there would not identify themselves with Jutland or even as Jutlanders, but rather with Schleswig-Holstein."is correct, it needs some quotation. The mindset of the the people should not be assumed. I know it's not true for me, I identify myself as both Schleswig-Holsteiner and Jutlander, and fail to see how they would be mutual exclusive, but I can't speak for the majority, and would like to see some statistics or sociologic research about this if it exists. -- 2001:16B8:71F4:6D00:D9DC:66E4:54B:6348 ( talk) 21:13, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
There is documented evidence of Jutland referring to primarily the northern half the entire peninsula, the one currently under governance by Denmark. The usage of the term "Cimbrian peninsula" is also stated in the current article, but it is referred to as an "ancient term" - which it is not, due to the Jutland only referring to the northern, Danish sections in modern language. In other germanic and nordic languages this is reflected as well - see for example the German Wikipedia article on it.
Wikidata additionally also refers to the peninsula as it's entirety as "Cimbrian Peninsula": https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30027
I personally think that either the current article on Jutland should be edited to reflect this, or a new article about the peninsula as a whole should be created, in-line with Wikipedia in other language, as the current article is misleading on this topic - even Google just shows "Jutland" when trying to search up the term "Cimbrian Peninsula" due to the wording of this article. Especially for people whose families live on the peninsula, but may be spread between Denmark and Germany, acknowledging the shared identity more in the Anglosphere would be quite important. Due the prominence of Wikipedia being used as a source online, this notion of the peninsula as a whole being called "Jutland" is quite widespread.
Some other related matters on the topic:
The Wikipedia article on the
Cimbri, an ancient tribe that populated the peninsula, which acknowledges the term. However, the article again incorrectly states that Jutland is a newer term for Cimbrian peninsula, which it is not, since Jutland only refers to the upper, Danish sections. The article on the
Cimbrian War shows the same pattern.
Nolram12345 (
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03:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Since the creation of the Kiel Canal, Jutland is no longer connected to the continent in any natural way. Surely this would make it an island? I know that would sound strange considering it has been a peninsula since time immemorial, but I feel like peninsula quite simply does not fit the physical reality anymore. Kaitowhynot ( talk) 08:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Jutish which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. PK2 ( talk) 09:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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moving dubious etymology:
In another Indo-European language , Sanskrit juta means matted hair, jata braid of hair , in East Ind. jhuto ,the same.
In other words it means exactly the same as the German word rope which consists of matted, braided hair (plant fibre). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.232.67.xxx ( talk) 21:51, 1 October 2001 (UTC)
I have removed Billund and Ribe from the list of largest cities. Having them there was simply ridiculous. But the list still needs to be edited. -- Troels Nybo 09:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
-- Right, the list is a bit dubious... Why is Flensburg ranked #4? What about Lübeck? Norderstedt maybe? I'm not sure about Vejle's position, according to the German article they have rearranged the region's administrative structure and now it has >100,000 inhabitants. -- 212.7.132.130 13:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I believe the image of the flag should be removed. I first heard of it many years ago, but I've never seen a single example of it used in the real world. If anyone has additional information feel free to correct me, but I believe it is pretty close to a hoax. Regards. Valentinian (talk) 19:02, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
being a Native of jutland and a vexillophile i must say i think the flag should be removed. Another flag (see: olmo.1go.dk/jyske-fane1.gif) is occasionally used - this flag I have simply never seen before.—Preceding
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131.165.98.9 (
talk •
contribs)
14:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Den Jydske Fane was used during the seven year war. The flag of jutland as Dannebrog in reverse colours has surgested in 1972, but has never found use. Furthermore Vendsyssel (most northen part of the peninsula) has its own flag.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.198.210.66 ( talk • contribs) 07:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello there! Just in case you are open for new requests, here's another article that I would like to see adorned with a better map: the Jutland Peninsula. I want the map to help illustrate an upcoming edit by me which will help explain how Lauenburg to the south and North Jutlandic Island are commonly reckoned as part of Jutland, even though technically they are not. Also, the current map does not show the Limfjorden as physically disecting the peninsula. My vision for the project would be to endeavour to delimit the extent of the peninsula physically, ethno-culturally and administratively. To illustrate this: The northern delimitation would be either the Skagerrak (administratively) or the Limfjord (geographically, since 1825); the southern extremity is either the isthmus (geographically) which arguably disects Holstein, or a line following the Eider River and the Danevirke defensive wall ( the traditional ethnic boundary between the North Germanic tribes and the continental Germanic peoples proper) or the modern political border as established by plebiscite in 1920.
Suggested list of toponyms and geographical features to be included:
So, what do you say buddy? Do you reckon you have the zest and the time to take on this request of mine? If yes, rest assured that your efforts would generate one grateful peninsula! ; BigAdamsky| TALK| EDITS| 15:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Didnt know exactly how you wanted the colors depicted, but this shows most of the features mentioned above. Some other things:
It's pretty good so far, but the map needs few minor tweaks.
Four things:
Hm, what you mean, is the Cimbrian Peninsula. Jutland is the part of Denmark starting north of the border to Germany. No one in Schleswig-Holstein or Denmark ever calls the southern part of the peninsula "Jutland". The Cimbrian Peninsula and Jutland are in my terms (and I live in Schleswig-Holstein) two different geographical things. It must also be noted, that our both people use the terms like that. -- Arne List 17:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Arne, I have done some cursory surfing and searching on what this peninsula is called, and apparently sources in German say (just as you stated) that the landform is not called Jütland in German, since this name is reserved for the Danish region, exclusively. Some English and Danish encyclopedias also add a clause saying that "usually/sometimes the name refers only to the Danish part of the peninsula" and will use terms such as Jutland Peninsula or Jydske halvø if they wish to be explicit that it is the entire physical landform they are referring to. However, translations of Kimbrische Halbinsel are not used in any non-German sources that I have come across (except in ancient texts). We should probably mention this in the article, yes? BigAdamsky| TALK| EDITS| 11:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Kimbrische Halbinsel is indeed an old but nevertheless very valid expression. The solution may be the context in wich it is used. It is a geographic term used by geographers, in modern normal life this expression is simply nearly useless and therefor rarely used. I first heard of this expression (always "Kimbrische Halbinsel" not Cimbria and never Cimmeria which is something completely else) in school and have come accross it ever since though not often and not in motoring atlases or touristic material but rather in geographic works or biological maps. -- 217.251.41.167 23:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
The present status of the introduction to this voice is contradictory. We must decide whether the German region is (as stated in the second paragraph) or is not (as in the first paragraph) part of Jutland. Nicola.Manini ( talk) 10:16, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
as this is an articel of the peninsula, a statemeant (and an slightly overstated one) about jutlandic dialects in the Danbish part seems displaced.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.198.210.66 ( talk • contribs) 07:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Sentence 2: The German state of Schleswig-Holstein is part of the Cimbrian Peninsula (also called Jutland Peninsula), but not part of Jutland. Sentence 3: The German parts of Jutland peninsula today form the state of Schleswig-Holstein . These sentences are inconsistent. -- Orik1949 ( talk) 23:43, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that the article refers to:
but never defines "South Jutland". I can understand "South Jutlandic" being an accepted term for a dialect among linguists, but I think the phrase "South Jutland" should be defined in some way.
CorinneSD ( talk) 18:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Just noticed that Jutland Peninsula has a merge tag and is pretty clear that's the same subject, I will make the merge as soon as I have time. Bertdrunk ( talk) 01:22, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to hide the section for now. Feel free to delete my markup if someone can actually develop it (given that it's been tagged since January.) ɯɐɔ 💬 00:19, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
The assertion that Niels Hausgaard uses a Jutish dialect (and the assertion that that is notable enough to include on the page) is unsourced. I cannot find a source for it, so it appears to be original research. The assertion that Ib Grønbech uses a Jutish dialect is sourced to 3 sources in Danish, which, when translated, show no indication that he "used a Jutish dialect" in his work. So this also appears to be original research. Ewen Douglas ( talk) 02:30, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
If the the statement "Although most of Schleswig-Holstein is geographically part of the peninsula, most German residents there would not identify themselves with Jutland or even as Jutlanders, but rather with Schleswig-Holstein."is correct, it needs some quotation. The mindset of the the people should not be assumed. I know it's not true for me, I identify myself as both Schleswig-Holsteiner and Jutlander, and fail to see how they would be mutual exclusive, but I can't speak for the majority, and would like to see some statistics or sociologic research about this if it exists. -- 2001:16B8:71F4:6D00:D9DC:66E4:54B:6348 ( talk) 21:13, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
There is documented evidence of Jutland referring to primarily the northern half the entire peninsula, the one currently under governance by Denmark. The usage of the term "Cimbrian peninsula" is also stated in the current article, but it is referred to as an "ancient term" - which it is not, due to the Jutland only referring to the northern, Danish sections in modern language. In other germanic and nordic languages this is reflected as well - see for example the German Wikipedia article on it.
Wikidata additionally also refers to the peninsula as it's entirety as "Cimbrian Peninsula": https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30027
I personally think that either the current article on Jutland should be edited to reflect this, or a new article about the peninsula as a whole should be created, in-line with Wikipedia in other language, as the current article is misleading on this topic - even Google just shows "Jutland" when trying to search up the term "Cimbrian Peninsula" due to the wording of this article. Especially for people whose families live on the peninsula, but may be spread between Denmark and Germany, acknowledging the shared identity more in the Anglosphere would be quite important. Due the prominence of Wikipedia being used as a source online, this notion of the peninsula as a whole being called "Jutland" is quite widespread.
Some other related matters on the topic:
The Wikipedia article on the
Cimbri, an ancient tribe that populated the peninsula, which acknowledges the term. However, the article again incorrectly states that Jutland is a newer term for Cimbrian peninsula, which it is not, since Jutland only refers to the upper, Danish sections. The article on the
Cimbrian War shows the same pattern.
Nolram12345 (
talk)
03:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Since the creation of the Kiel Canal, Jutland is no longer connected to the continent in any natural way. Surely this would make it an island? I know that would sound strange considering it has been a peninsula since time immemorial, but I feel like peninsula quite simply does not fit the physical reality anymore. Kaitowhynot ( talk) 08:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Jutish which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. PK2 ( talk) 09:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)