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Since this person could likely be assuming the office of governor soon as the result of a scandal involving the incumbent, this article should receive protection from potential vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.190.183.221 ( talk) 04:22, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree with this - this controversy does not seem to be going away anytime in the near future, and given the highly serious nature of the accusations, I think it's warranted to impose a protection lock for (at minimum) the near-term future.
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An edit about allegations against Fairfax was reverted on grounds of poor sourcing violating WP:BLP. While the allegations are unconfirmed, they are being widely reported, as supported by inline citations to the Washington Post and Richmond (Va.) Times-Dispatch (the newspaper of record in the Virginia state capitol). Per WP:BLP, "When material is both verifiable and noteworthy, it will have appeared in more reliable sources." This has now occurred. While the allegation of assault has not been corroborated, the Post, the Times-Dispatch, and Lt. Gov. Fairfax (as quoted) all confirm that the allegation has been made and that Fairfax had a sexual encounter with the woman making the allegation. This is no more (or less) verified than many other public claims of sexual assault. I am restoring the edit, as the edit does not indicate that the assault actually happened. If further wording is needed to clarify the section, then please improve it. GeoGreg ( talk) 23:29, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@ D.Belford:, regarding the "fuck that bitch" anecdote, he denies it, his chief of staff denies it. There's no benefit to including it that would override the WP:BLP concerns. – Muboshgu ( talk) 01:40, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
I wasn't making a straw man argument Muboshgu. Just a little sarcasm, sorry. Of course NBC has been busted reporting false stories for the last two years. They found and terminated the Lawrence O'Donnell "Stop the hammering!" leaker after a week, but still just can't seem to locate whoever leaked the Access Hollywood tape to the Washington Post for some reason after nearly 2 and a half years. The hunt continues! I bring up Kavanaugh because it's important to have site-wide standards, to maintain impartiality and ensure that people don't let their personal opinions get in the way. What IS the standard, anyway? A Republican like Kavanaugh gets a nice juicy paragraph in his intro about a sexual assault allegation levied with zero evidence, zero corroboration, and by all accounts this woman has never even met Kavanaugh. A Democrat like Justin Fairfax gets credible sourcing from multiple people that he said "fuck that bitch" in reference to his victim, but we can't include it because...? Is there one standard? Or are there two, depending on the political party of the subject's article? 99.50.80.96 ( talk) 02:33, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should this article include a mention of the sexual assault allegation against Justin Fairfax? Instaurare ( talk) 08:20, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Due to repeated violations of the BLP policy I have semi-protected this article for two weeks. Thryduulf ( talk) 01:03, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-accused-of-second-sexual-assault - and he's threatened with impeachment if he doesn't resign by Monday (2/11) by other House Dems 50.111.22.143 ( talk) 11:40, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I am surprised this has been excluded. It seems to me that there are denied allegations, which we need to give balance to accusation and denial. But in the case of Fairfax's statement off of the starting line on this scandal, where he claimed the Post had characterized the accuser's account as containing "red flags" and "inconsistencies," when what the Post said was the opposite -- and her account did *not* contain red flags and inconsistencies, Fairfax told an objective and material untruth, documented by authority to be false, and smeared (from legal standpoint probably also slandered) the accuser in doing so. Explainador ( talk) 20:43, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Just wanted people to be aware of 2019 Virginia political crisis. Please incorporate any details from this article or discuss on Talk:2019 Virginia political crisis. Peace, MPS ( talk) 17:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
I just noticed a separate article has been created for Vanessa C. Tyson. As I've had relatively little involvement with BLP articles until recently, I'm not exactly sure what Wikipedia's policy is on how notable a public figure should be before that person receives a standalone article. Tyson has publicly identified herself and is in the middle of a pretty major news story. She's a professor at Scripps College and has a fellowship at Stanford. But still - I feel like she only somewhat qualifies as a public figure. We have articles on people like Christine Blasey Ford and Juanita Broaddrick, but Ford and Broaddrick were involved with far larger news stories than Tyson. There's a big difference, in terms of notability, between bringing an accusation against a sitting president or a Supreme Court nominee and bringing an accusation against a lieutenant governor.
If Tyson testifies publicly against Fairfax, then that would be one thing - but as far as I know, Tyson has never even made any public media appearances since making her accusation (I could be wrong about that, but haven't seen anything). So I'm unsure whether creating a standalone article for her at this point is really the right approach. Again, I've had relatively little involvement with BLP articles in the past, so I'm not taking a firm stance on this either way. But it seems to me that anything notable about Tyson could easily be discussed in this article, as there isn't a whole lot to say about her at this point. Curious to hear others' thoughts. -- Jpcase ( talk) 17:29, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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Since this person could likely be assuming the office of governor soon as the result of a scandal involving the incumbent, this article should receive protection from potential vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.190.183.221 ( talk) 04:22, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree with this - this controversy does not seem to be going away anytime in the near future, and given the highly serious nature of the accusations, I think it's warranted to impose a protection lock for (at minimum) the near-term future.
Concchambers (
talk)
07:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
An edit about allegations against Fairfax was reverted on grounds of poor sourcing violating WP:BLP. While the allegations are unconfirmed, they are being widely reported, as supported by inline citations to the Washington Post and Richmond (Va.) Times-Dispatch (the newspaper of record in the Virginia state capitol). Per WP:BLP, "When material is both verifiable and noteworthy, it will have appeared in more reliable sources." This has now occurred. While the allegation of assault has not been corroborated, the Post, the Times-Dispatch, and Lt. Gov. Fairfax (as quoted) all confirm that the allegation has been made and that Fairfax had a sexual encounter with the woman making the allegation. This is no more (or less) verified than many other public claims of sexual assault. I am restoring the edit, as the edit does not indicate that the assault actually happened. If further wording is needed to clarify the section, then please improve it. GeoGreg ( talk) 23:29, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@ D.Belford:, regarding the "fuck that bitch" anecdote, he denies it, his chief of staff denies it. There's no benefit to including it that would override the WP:BLP concerns. – Muboshgu ( talk) 01:40, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
I wasn't making a straw man argument Muboshgu. Just a little sarcasm, sorry. Of course NBC has been busted reporting false stories for the last two years. They found and terminated the Lawrence O'Donnell "Stop the hammering!" leaker after a week, but still just can't seem to locate whoever leaked the Access Hollywood tape to the Washington Post for some reason after nearly 2 and a half years. The hunt continues! I bring up Kavanaugh because it's important to have site-wide standards, to maintain impartiality and ensure that people don't let their personal opinions get in the way. What IS the standard, anyway? A Republican like Kavanaugh gets a nice juicy paragraph in his intro about a sexual assault allegation levied with zero evidence, zero corroboration, and by all accounts this woman has never even met Kavanaugh. A Democrat like Justin Fairfax gets credible sourcing from multiple people that he said "fuck that bitch" in reference to his victim, but we can't include it because...? Is there one standard? Or are there two, depending on the political party of the subject's article? 99.50.80.96 ( talk) 02:33, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should this article include a mention of the sexual assault allegation against Justin Fairfax? Instaurare ( talk) 08:20, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Due to repeated violations of the BLP policy I have semi-protected this article for two weeks. Thryduulf ( talk) 01:03, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-accused-of-second-sexual-assault - and he's threatened with impeachment if he doesn't resign by Monday (2/11) by other House Dems 50.111.22.143 ( talk) 11:40, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I am surprised this has been excluded. It seems to me that there are denied allegations, which we need to give balance to accusation and denial. But in the case of Fairfax's statement off of the starting line on this scandal, where he claimed the Post had characterized the accuser's account as containing "red flags" and "inconsistencies," when what the Post said was the opposite -- and her account did *not* contain red flags and inconsistencies, Fairfax told an objective and material untruth, documented by authority to be false, and smeared (from legal standpoint probably also slandered) the accuser in doing so. Explainador ( talk) 20:43, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Just wanted people to be aware of 2019 Virginia political crisis. Please incorporate any details from this article or discuss on Talk:2019 Virginia political crisis. Peace, MPS ( talk) 17:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
I just noticed a separate article has been created for Vanessa C. Tyson. As I've had relatively little involvement with BLP articles until recently, I'm not exactly sure what Wikipedia's policy is on how notable a public figure should be before that person receives a standalone article. Tyson has publicly identified herself and is in the middle of a pretty major news story. She's a professor at Scripps College and has a fellowship at Stanford. But still - I feel like she only somewhat qualifies as a public figure. We have articles on people like Christine Blasey Ford and Juanita Broaddrick, but Ford and Broaddrick were involved with far larger news stories than Tyson. There's a big difference, in terms of notability, between bringing an accusation against a sitting president or a Supreme Court nominee and bringing an accusation against a lieutenant governor.
If Tyson testifies publicly against Fairfax, then that would be one thing - but as far as I know, Tyson has never even made any public media appearances since making her accusation (I could be wrong about that, but haven't seen anything). So I'm unsure whether creating a standalone article for her at this point is really the right approach. Again, I've had relatively little involvement with BLP articles in the past, so I'm not taking a firm stance on this either way. But it seems to me that anything notable about Tyson could easily be discussed in this article, as there isn't a whole lot to say about her at this point. Curious to hear others' thoughts. -- Jpcase ( talk) 17:29, 12 February 2019 (UTC)