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Are a mess of redirects - can we cite them? Rich Farmbrough, 22:38, 23 September 2010 (UTC).
The terminology used in the first sentence of articles about Bruno Mars singles is inconsistent. Some articles call him a "singer/songwriter" and others a "recording artist". Personally I find the former to be more accurate, and it's also the term used in the article for Mars himself. Any other thoughts? Enigmocracy ( talk) 23:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
According to IFPI's Digital Music Report 2012, Just the Way You Are has sold 12.5 million copies, probably making it one of the 30 best selling songs of all time. Shouldn't that (or at least the sales figure) be mentioned somewhere? Mauri96 ( talk)
I have a problem with this song & article. First, it sounds just like a song I've heard many times before, although I don't know who it was; the words don't sound all that original or unique. But also Mars claims he wrote it all, but the article says 3 other groups wrote it. So, what really is the truth? Hillmon7500 ( talk) 07:16, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Bruno, Lawrence, Levine and the other two guys wrote it, good enough? MarioSoulTruthFan ( talk) 19:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
The article says that "Mars' vocal range spans from F4 to C6." That doesn't seem right at all -- anyone have a proper reference for his range? Qantas 94 Heavy 01:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qantas94Heavy ( talk • contribs)
This song is placed at 79th place on Billboard 'Greatest of All Time Hot 100 songs'. http://www.billboard.com/charts/greatest-hot-100-singles
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Lyrically, the song is about Mars professing "his love for a beautiful girl who occupies his dreams". Billboard carries on with its explanation "Mars professes his love..."When you smile, the whole world stops and stares for a while/ 'Cause girl you're amazing, just the way you are". She concludes, "Mars' lyrics aim to make female listeners feel nothing short of perfect in their own skin".
Who concludes? Who is she? Who is being quoted here? Does she have a name? Are we even sure it's a woman? Are all these quotes from the same source?
"Mars professes his love..."When you smile, the whole ...
Is this one extract or two? There's a quotation mark missing, isn't there? "Mars' lyrics aim to make ..." is not actually a precise quotation, is it? And, now that I've looked at the source, this whole thing should be excised, because the source is a laughable 100-word capsule blurb without a byline.
All these Bruno Mars pages are just swamped with irrelevant detail and finely minced quotes. I know it's a labour of love for you, Mario, but they badly need pruning. Regulov ( talk) 20:39, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey, look, if you already know the page needs fixing up, why don't you do that instead of adding yet more matter? Don't make excuses and then tell me it's my fault. You're being defensive. I marked the quote [clarification needed] because I didn't understand it. You reverted reflexively, saying it could not be clearer. Who was right, Mario? Could it have been clearer?
I want you to have a look at the source for that quote. Billboard may be a reliable source; but that paragraph is not exactly the New York Times. An encyclopedia is a distillation of facts, not an agglomeration of them. Exercise a little discretion.
I think you, personally, have a hard time assessing, for example, how much chart analysis is appropriate on pages like this, or how many quotes from music reviewers, because you are a superfan, and your instinct tells you that every drop of data is urgently important because it is BRUNO MARS. I do not dislike Bruno Mars; but as a normal person approximately as interested in Bruno Mars as I am in Charles IV of Spain or the roseate spoonbill, I am telling you that these pages are bloated and low-fiber. It's a problem I often encounter on comic book pages and Star Trek pages.
Someone has gone to the trouble of determining and sharing with Wikipedia readers the lowest and highest notes Bruno Mars sings in every song. That's nice. It shouldn't be on the page, because it isn't important. It's just informational noise.
There are too many critics cited; everyone who writes anything about a Bruno Mars release in any RS publication has to be quoted, apparently. It is exhausting to normal readers. Pick a couple of reviews, the best reviews. Give quotes in full; don't chop them up into little pieces, and don't editorialize: stop having critics "confess" or "compliment" or "praise". Try sticking to "said" and "wrote". Let them speak for themselves.
When you're telling us about how well the single or the album did, how it charted, how it sold, try to restrict yourself to the most important and most representative facts. On the page for Lighters, we are told:
On Norway's VG-lista, "Lighters" reached its peak of number nine in its third week, leaving the chart four weeks later.
Look, Norwegian people's musical taste matters as much as anyone else's, and this chart information is factual and sourced, sure, sure—but if you insist on putting everything on the page, the page starts to feel like a garbage dump. Peaked at number nine in its third week, left the chart four weeks later. In Norway. No part of that is important information. If a species of anteater eats only one species of ant, that is interesting. If a species of anteater eats ants indiscriminately, we maybe don't need to list and describe fifteen species of ant and explain that the anteater eats each of them—even though people who study the anteater may know and care about such facts.
More is not always better. Regulov ( talk) 23:35, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
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Are a mess of redirects - can we cite them? Rich Farmbrough, 22:38, 23 September 2010 (UTC).
The terminology used in the first sentence of articles about Bruno Mars singles is inconsistent. Some articles call him a "singer/songwriter" and others a "recording artist". Personally I find the former to be more accurate, and it's also the term used in the article for Mars himself. Any other thoughts? Enigmocracy ( talk) 23:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
According to IFPI's Digital Music Report 2012, Just the Way You Are has sold 12.5 million copies, probably making it one of the 30 best selling songs of all time. Shouldn't that (or at least the sales figure) be mentioned somewhere? Mauri96 ( talk)
I have a problem with this song & article. First, it sounds just like a song I've heard many times before, although I don't know who it was; the words don't sound all that original or unique. But also Mars claims he wrote it all, but the article says 3 other groups wrote it. So, what really is the truth? Hillmon7500 ( talk) 07:16, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Bruno, Lawrence, Levine and the other two guys wrote it, good enough? MarioSoulTruthFan ( talk) 19:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
The article says that "Mars' vocal range spans from F4 to C6." That doesn't seem right at all -- anyone have a proper reference for his range? Qantas 94 Heavy 01:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qantas94Heavy ( talk • contribs)
This song is placed at 79th place on Billboard 'Greatest of All Time Hot 100 songs'. http://www.billboard.com/charts/greatest-hot-100-singles
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Lyrically, the song is about Mars professing "his love for a beautiful girl who occupies his dreams". Billboard carries on with its explanation "Mars professes his love..."When you smile, the whole world stops and stares for a while/ 'Cause girl you're amazing, just the way you are". She concludes, "Mars' lyrics aim to make female listeners feel nothing short of perfect in their own skin".
Who concludes? Who is she? Who is being quoted here? Does she have a name? Are we even sure it's a woman? Are all these quotes from the same source?
"Mars professes his love..."When you smile, the whole ...
Is this one extract or two? There's a quotation mark missing, isn't there? "Mars' lyrics aim to make ..." is not actually a precise quotation, is it? And, now that I've looked at the source, this whole thing should be excised, because the source is a laughable 100-word capsule blurb without a byline.
All these Bruno Mars pages are just swamped with irrelevant detail and finely minced quotes. I know it's a labour of love for you, Mario, but they badly need pruning. Regulov ( talk) 20:39, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey, look, if you already know the page needs fixing up, why don't you do that instead of adding yet more matter? Don't make excuses and then tell me it's my fault. You're being defensive. I marked the quote [clarification needed] because I didn't understand it. You reverted reflexively, saying it could not be clearer. Who was right, Mario? Could it have been clearer?
I want you to have a look at the source for that quote. Billboard may be a reliable source; but that paragraph is not exactly the New York Times. An encyclopedia is a distillation of facts, not an agglomeration of them. Exercise a little discretion.
I think you, personally, have a hard time assessing, for example, how much chart analysis is appropriate on pages like this, or how many quotes from music reviewers, because you are a superfan, and your instinct tells you that every drop of data is urgently important because it is BRUNO MARS. I do not dislike Bruno Mars; but as a normal person approximately as interested in Bruno Mars as I am in Charles IV of Spain or the roseate spoonbill, I am telling you that these pages are bloated and low-fiber. It's a problem I often encounter on comic book pages and Star Trek pages.
Someone has gone to the trouble of determining and sharing with Wikipedia readers the lowest and highest notes Bruno Mars sings in every song. That's nice. It shouldn't be on the page, because it isn't important. It's just informational noise.
There are too many critics cited; everyone who writes anything about a Bruno Mars release in any RS publication has to be quoted, apparently. It is exhausting to normal readers. Pick a couple of reviews, the best reviews. Give quotes in full; don't chop them up into little pieces, and don't editorialize: stop having critics "confess" or "compliment" or "praise". Try sticking to "said" and "wrote". Let them speak for themselves.
When you're telling us about how well the single or the album did, how it charted, how it sold, try to restrict yourself to the most important and most representative facts. On the page for Lighters, we are told:
On Norway's VG-lista, "Lighters" reached its peak of number nine in its third week, leaving the chart four weeks later.
Look, Norwegian people's musical taste matters as much as anyone else's, and this chart information is factual and sourced, sure, sure—but if you insist on putting everything on the page, the page starts to feel like a garbage dump. Peaked at number nine in its third week, left the chart four weeks later. In Norway. No part of that is important information. If a species of anteater eats only one species of ant, that is interesting. If a species of anteater eats ants indiscriminately, we maybe don't need to list and describe fifteen species of ant and explain that the anteater eats each of them—even though people who study the anteater may know and care about such facts.
More is not always better. Regulov ( talk) 23:35, 22 August 2021 (UTC)