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![]() | On 10 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from July 1757 heat wave to July 1757 heatwave. The result of the discussion was moved. |
I don't see how having these raw data helps a reader in the slightest. Why are we showing it at all? Does the reader really benefit from having this table? What do they mean (what are they being compared to, what does 'normal' look like)? Why are these specific days selected for display? Why do we need the daily high, the daily low and the average temperature of this number of successive days to understand that there was a heatwave, and it was hot? What is the point? It is all just seems like data for data's sake. Agricolae ( talk) 14:03, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 00:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
– "heatwave" is used by WP:RELIABLESOURCES: Met Office, NHS, The Independent, World Meteorological Organization, World Weather Attribution, BBC News, World Health Organization, The Times, World Economic Forum, Bloomberg News.
On the other hand, "heat wave" is more American English. Therefore, these articles should be moved per MOS:TIES. 90.254.30.143 ( talk) 08:43, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to 1757 heatwave. Consensus that "July" is unnecessary over-precision. Though the nominator noted that adding "European" would be WP:CONSISTENT with other articles on heat waves, participants argued that WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE made it preferable to omit "European" from the title, indicating a stronger weight of argument for omission. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 14:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
July 1757 heatwave → 1757 European heatwave – To match 2003 European heat wave. As noted by participants in the above RM, "July" is not needed. 90.254.4.178 ( talk) 09:23, 24 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Lightoil ( talk) 14:18, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
« July 1757 was the hottest month in the history of Paris… ». This sentence is only true if raw data are considered. Data corrected by Meteo-France give 22,6 °C as average for July 1757. They show that August 1780, 1997 and 2003, as well as July 2006, were hotter than July 1757. July 1794, 1859 and 1994 were so hot than July 1757 (ref : La Meteorologie, 2009, n°67).
By the way, we note the reference for the table is this of a personal website ( Meteo Climat bzh). I think it shoudn't be valid in Wikipedia. Piblo ( talk) 10:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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![]() | On 10 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from July 1757 heat wave to July 1757 heatwave. The result of the discussion was moved. |
I don't see how having these raw data helps a reader in the slightest. Why are we showing it at all? Does the reader really benefit from having this table? What do they mean (what are they being compared to, what does 'normal' look like)? Why are these specific days selected for display? Why do we need the daily high, the daily low and the average temperature of this number of successive days to understand that there was a heatwave, and it was hot? What is the point? It is all just seems like data for data's sake. Agricolae ( talk) 14:03, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 00:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
– "heatwave" is used by WP:RELIABLESOURCES: Met Office, NHS, The Independent, World Meteorological Organization, World Weather Attribution, BBC News, World Health Organization, The Times, World Economic Forum, Bloomberg News.
On the other hand, "heat wave" is more American English. Therefore, these articles should be moved per MOS:TIES. 90.254.30.143 ( talk) 08:43, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to 1757 heatwave. Consensus that "July" is unnecessary over-precision. Though the nominator noted that adding "European" would be WP:CONSISTENT with other articles on heat waves, participants argued that WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE made it preferable to omit "European" from the title, indicating a stronger weight of argument for omission. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 14:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
July 1757 heatwave → 1757 European heatwave – To match 2003 European heat wave. As noted by participants in the above RM, "July" is not needed. 90.254.4.178 ( talk) 09:23, 24 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Lightoil ( talk) 14:18, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
« July 1757 was the hottest month in the history of Paris… ». This sentence is only true if raw data are considered. Data corrected by Meteo-France give 22,6 °C as average for July 1757. They show that August 1780, 1997 and 2003, as well as July 2006, were hotter than July 1757. July 1794, 1859 and 1994 were so hot than July 1757 (ref : La Meteorologie, 2009, n°67).
By the way, we note the reference for the table is this of a personal website ( Meteo Climat bzh). I think it shoudn't be valid in Wikipedia. Piblo ( talk) 10:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)