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Alot of work has been done to improve the neutrality of this article. In my opinion, the neutrality check box should be removed. Does anyone disagree? Gary van der Merwe ( Talk) 12:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Malema is as of today definitely the former leader of the ANCYL. This article needs to be updated ASAP to avoid "vandalism" by inexperienced editors. Sources:
Roger ( talk) 15:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, it was actually Malema's advocacy of armed South African involvement in Botswana to destabilise the neighbouring country that was the last straw for the ANC leadership to act forcefully against him. However, unless I have overlooked it, not much mention is made of the Botswana incident in the article. Mieliestronk ( talk) 21:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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"Julius Sello Malema (born 3 March 1981) is a South African politician, former president of the African National Congress Youth League, and convicted hate speech criminal."
I feel that his being a politician should not possibly exonerate him from a mention of his crimes - I also made an edit earlier adding mention of his being charged with financial irregularities.
Samsara ( FA • FP) 17:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
I recently read Fiona Forde's An Inconvenient Youth: Julius Malema and the 'New' ANC which details many (pretty severe) allegations of corruption and improper benefiting from state tenders by Malema. I wanted to know if these allegations have any place on Malema's Wikipedia page? The author of the book obviously had enough evidence to publish the book so it is more than simply media slander or unsubstantiated allegations. I found a website that details the allegations if anyone would like to review the specifics: Malema Funding VinnigeVenter ( talk) 09:55, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Also, can we please have some input on his 2013 insolvency and news surrounding actions against him by SARS. 62.57.184.44 ( talk) 22:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I think that this section is being given too much weight and should be shortened and summarised. All these quotes seem to be based on one instance of tabloid style reporting. Totorotroll ( talk) 08:35, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
My previous edit of this section was reverted. The audiovisual material of the incident will confirm that Malema replied by saying that the journalist "had rubbish in his pants" Gregorydavid ( talk) 14:17, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Sexism and entire section for one statement by one source? Is that needed? Also is he the youngest person in SA to win a seat?-- Inayity ( talk) 17:24, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Julius is a South African leader at the moment,but with his insights and good stupidity I will make him a AFRICAN LEADER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.78.150.32 ( talk) 17:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Reading through the Malema article feels like reading a newspaper, in particular one that represents the Right Wing. I know Malema is controversial but It seems like the article is not about Malema the person but the focus is more on his controversy nothing else ! Bobbyshabangu talk 17:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I understand, but nothing justifies hatemongering against an unpopular minority, and the world has seen it before, with horrible consequences. As George Bernard Shaw wrote in The Devil's Disciple:"I just feel that if I become bold and write about Malema the person, I mean add a section about him being passionate about people especially from the lower class or that he keeps his word especially to the poor and the fact that he grew up very poor raised by a single parent and this could directly have an impact on his political views"
Again, you are free to edit but don't violate BLP, POV, OR, etc. Yours, Quis separabit? 14:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC)"... to explain a fact is not to alter it"
None of this is WP:LEAD material. It fails and seems more current event coverage. It belongs in the body: More recently, as an elected MP, Malema has been publicly critical of President Zuma, especially as regards the ANC leader's alleged corruption with respect to "The Nkandla Scandal." On February 12, 2015, Malema, together with other members of the EFF, were forcibly removed from the State of the Nation address, when Malema interrupted Zuma to question whether he would pay back part of the $23 million in taxpayer funds he used to build a private residence in Nkandla, Kwazulu-Natal. Malema responded to being ejected, suggesting South Africa had become, or was becoming, a police state.[15]-- Inayity ( talk) 17:04, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I think the lead section should mention that there are sources that call Malema a racist. Quotes: Chelsea Lotz asks why other opposition leaders are not holding EFF President Julius Malema to account for his racist rhetoric [1]. Quote: In recent months, one of the most extreme figures in South African politics, Marxist and virulent racist Julius Malema, the former ANC youth leader, also claimed that the current regime was worse than apartheid. [http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/mandelas-legacy-the-freefall-of-south-africa/#A0xEH9YzvLCuUbl3.99] He has also been likened to Hitler [2]. -- Dorpater ( talk) 18:13, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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Are there any African language(s) sources I can use about the misrepresentation of the blood-diamond merchant trading house ("De Beers") as opposed to the defeated pastoral fighters ("De Boers") in the sung lyrics of the controversial song? A quick google search com up with English language, but nothing in any comprehensible intonation. It was heard that the sung lyrics were threatening to the diamond houses rather than farmers. The section was reworked so now no mention of the song lyrics controversy remains in the article.
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Malema has previously stated his disdain for indians but has now re-sorted to misusing black lives matter in order to get his supporters to march on Indian communities for the alleged killing of black people during a 7 day period of violent protests and violent actions by majority black people against other racial groups which all occurred in 2021.
This current example of blatant racism and potrayal of villians has victims should be included in the "racist" section on malema's article page. This information should not be removed if included so has to sugarcoat racism faced by other races by black people. They can only be allowed to play the victim so far before consequences come calling. Hpdh4 ( talk) 15:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
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This talk page is getting a bit big. Any objections to turning on an archive bot? Gary van der Merwe ( Talk) 11:23, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
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Alot of work has been done to improve the neutrality of this article. In my opinion, the neutrality check box should be removed. Does anyone disagree? Gary van der Merwe ( Talk) 12:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Malema is as of today definitely the former leader of the ANCYL. This article needs to be updated ASAP to avoid "vandalism" by inexperienced editors. Sources:
Roger ( talk) 15:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, it was actually Malema's advocacy of armed South African involvement in Botswana to destabilise the neighbouring country that was the last straw for the ANC leadership to act forcefully against him. However, unless I have overlooked it, not much mention is made of the Botswana incident in the article. Mieliestronk ( talk) 21:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
For discussion:
"Julius Sello Malema (born 3 March 1981) is a South African politician, former president of the African National Congress Youth League, and convicted hate speech criminal."
I feel that his being a politician should not possibly exonerate him from a mention of his crimes - I also made an edit earlier adding mention of his being charged with financial irregularities.
Samsara ( FA • FP) 17:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
I recently read Fiona Forde's An Inconvenient Youth: Julius Malema and the 'New' ANC which details many (pretty severe) allegations of corruption and improper benefiting from state tenders by Malema. I wanted to know if these allegations have any place on Malema's Wikipedia page? The author of the book obviously had enough evidence to publish the book so it is more than simply media slander or unsubstantiated allegations. I found a website that details the allegations if anyone would like to review the specifics: Malema Funding VinnigeVenter ( talk) 09:55, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Also, can we please have some input on his 2013 insolvency and news surrounding actions against him by SARS. 62.57.184.44 ( talk) 22:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I think that this section is being given too much weight and should be shortened and summarised. All these quotes seem to be based on one instance of tabloid style reporting. Totorotroll ( talk) 08:35, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
My previous edit of this section was reverted. The audiovisual material of the incident will confirm that Malema replied by saying that the journalist "had rubbish in his pants" Gregorydavid ( talk) 14:17, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Sexism and entire section for one statement by one source? Is that needed? Also is he the youngest person in SA to win a seat?-- Inayity ( talk) 17:24, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Julius is a South African leader at the moment,but with his insights and good stupidity I will make him a AFRICAN LEADER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.78.150.32 ( talk) 17:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Reading through the Malema article feels like reading a newspaper, in particular one that represents the Right Wing. I know Malema is controversial but It seems like the article is not about Malema the person but the focus is more on his controversy nothing else ! Bobbyshabangu talk 17:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I understand, but nothing justifies hatemongering against an unpopular minority, and the world has seen it before, with horrible consequences. As George Bernard Shaw wrote in The Devil's Disciple:"I just feel that if I become bold and write about Malema the person, I mean add a section about him being passionate about people especially from the lower class or that he keeps his word especially to the poor and the fact that he grew up very poor raised by a single parent and this could directly have an impact on his political views"
Again, you are free to edit but don't violate BLP, POV, OR, etc. Yours, Quis separabit? 14:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC)"... to explain a fact is not to alter it"
None of this is WP:LEAD material. It fails and seems more current event coverage. It belongs in the body: More recently, as an elected MP, Malema has been publicly critical of President Zuma, especially as regards the ANC leader's alleged corruption with respect to "The Nkandla Scandal." On February 12, 2015, Malema, together with other members of the EFF, were forcibly removed from the State of the Nation address, when Malema interrupted Zuma to question whether he would pay back part of the $23 million in taxpayer funds he used to build a private residence in Nkandla, Kwazulu-Natal. Malema responded to being ejected, suggesting South Africa had become, or was becoming, a police state.[15]-- Inayity ( talk) 17:04, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I think the lead section should mention that there are sources that call Malema a racist. Quotes: Chelsea Lotz asks why other opposition leaders are not holding EFF President Julius Malema to account for his racist rhetoric [1]. Quote: In recent months, one of the most extreme figures in South African politics, Marxist and virulent racist Julius Malema, the former ANC youth leader, also claimed that the current regime was worse than apartheid. [http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/mandelas-legacy-the-freefall-of-south-africa/#A0xEH9YzvLCuUbl3.99] He has also been likened to Hitler [2]. -- Dorpater ( talk) 18:13, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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Are there any African language(s) sources I can use about the misrepresentation of the blood-diamond merchant trading house ("De Beers") as opposed to the defeated pastoral fighters ("De Boers") in the sung lyrics of the controversial song? A quick google search com up with English language, but nothing in any comprehensible intonation. It was heard that the sung lyrics were threatening to the diamond houses rather than farmers. The section was reworked so now no mention of the song lyrics controversy remains in the article.
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Malema has previously stated his disdain for indians but has now re-sorted to misusing black lives matter in order to get his supporters to march on Indian communities for the alleged killing of black people during a 7 day period of violent protests and violent actions by majority black people against other racial groups which all occurred in 2021.
This current example of blatant racism and potrayal of villians has victims should be included in the "racist" section on malema's article page. This information should not be removed if included so has to sugarcoat racism faced by other races by black people. They can only be allowed to play the victim so far before consequences come calling. Hpdh4 ( talk) 15:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)