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There are two Agrippinas shown; are they the same? Also, there are two Tiberius Claudius Nero. What is the meaning of the broken lines? AxelBoldt 20:36 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)
How about an Ahnenreihe ? Hotlorp
I'm not sure is this family tree is understandable, does anyone has a better one to substitute it? Muriel Gottrop
I just substituted the image. I think it's more clear. But it's huge, I know... Muriel Gottrop
Looks good! I did not knew about the png buisiness... MG
Several things are wrong with or missing from the tree as it now stands. Antony and Octavia had two daughters. The elder Antonia, not shown on the tree, was the mother of Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus, who married Agrippina the Younger. Their son was adopted by Claudius and became known as Nero. Claudius died in 54, not 51, so Nero became emperor in 54, not 51. Plinyfan
This family tree should also have a link, or something to indicate Claudius Marcellus was the son of C. Claudius Marcellus and Octavia, otherwise without already knowing this, his random appearance in the tree is somewhat confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.215.55 ( talk) 18:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Was the name of the emperor Nero "Tiberius Claudius Nero" after his adoption? I have not encountered him being called "Tiberius Claudius" in any text; can someone please provide a reference? Lucius Domitius 04:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Not that this already complex tree needs any further complication, but it might be worthwile to add Caesarion, Julius Caesar's son by Cleopatra VII of Egypt -- surely a relevant figure who is part of this extended family. -- Jfruh 17:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Really his name was Ptholomeus Caesar , but was better known as Caesarion. He was killed soon after the defeat of Maurcus Antonius and Cleopatra by his step brother Octavianus (in fact Octavianus himself was adopted as son by Iulius Caesar himself).
M. VALERIVS LONGINVS BRITANNICVS —Preceding unsigned comment added by M. Valerius Longinus Britannicus ( talk • contribs) 11:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
He came to power in AD 54, not AD 51 as the family tree indicates. Corax 05:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Wasn't Vipsania a daughter of Agrippa? 18.252.6.246 13:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
If there are no objections I would like make a tree with
Template:Familytree so that we can add links and edit it more easily. I am working on a version in
my sandbox before I load it here. —
David618
t 03:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Should Antonia Elder be added as she was an ancestor of Nero?-- Hjjcbvhbvh ( talk) 23:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
173.13.48.89 ( talk) 04:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)I know that in Colleen McCollough book First Man in Rome she makes a compelling argument for this marriage. I would like to know if the inclusion of that marriage in this family tree is further supported.----- Thanks ad
He was the son of Antonia Major (daughter of Marc Anthony). I think it's important that this be added to the graphic since he is the father of Nero. It further helps explain when this family got more nuts as time went on. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.232.41 ( talk • contribs)
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I reverted your change on the Julio-Claudian family tree article. The entire article consists of one sentence and a family tree - it makes no sense to hide the tree, leaving the article as a single sentence. Please discuss this on the talk page before reinstating it. Tarl.Neustaedter ( talk) 00:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I have moved the legend to the bottom and given it a visual border . I have also created a References section and added a {{
unreferenced}}
template. --
PBS (
talk) 11:12, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
From the history of the article: user:Francis Schonken "put cn templates where a direct citation would be missing" What does that sentence mean? -- PBS ( talk) 15:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
{{
citation needed}}
tags as it would be unsightly (see
WP:CHALLENGE:
footnote 3). --
PBS (
talk) 16:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
{{
citation needed}}
tags as it would be unsightly (see
WP:CHALLENGE:
footnote 3)" is not covered by "actual policy"? Footnote 3 states "It may be that the article contains so few citations that it is impractical to add specific citation needed tags, in which case consider tagging a section with {{
unreferencedsection}}" so adding {{
unreferencedsection}} or something similar is covered by policy. Although placing {{
citation needed}} on every leaf on this tree is not practical, as a test case I shall add a couple from the example mentioned above. --
PBS (
talk) 21:08, 15 April 2015 (UTC)Re. Julio-Claudian family tree#Simplified: a simplified tree is nice, but the current one seems a bit unbalanced:
In sum, better to apply the same simplification rules throughout all generations. Otherwise "odd" is the least that can be said of this so-called simplification. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 09:30, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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There are two Agrippinas shown; are they the same? Also, there are two Tiberius Claudius Nero. What is the meaning of the broken lines? AxelBoldt 20:36 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)
How about an Ahnenreihe ? Hotlorp
I'm not sure is this family tree is understandable, does anyone has a better one to substitute it? Muriel Gottrop
I just substituted the image. I think it's more clear. But it's huge, I know... Muriel Gottrop
Looks good! I did not knew about the png buisiness... MG
Several things are wrong with or missing from the tree as it now stands. Antony and Octavia had two daughters. The elder Antonia, not shown on the tree, was the mother of Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus, who married Agrippina the Younger. Their son was adopted by Claudius and became known as Nero. Claudius died in 54, not 51, so Nero became emperor in 54, not 51. Plinyfan
This family tree should also have a link, or something to indicate Claudius Marcellus was the son of C. Claudius Marcellus and Octavia, otherwise without already knowing this, his random appearance in the tree is somewhat confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.215.55 ( talk) 18:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Was the name of the emperor Nero "Tiberius Claudius Nero" after his adoption? I have not encountered him being called "Tiberius Claudius" in any text; can someone please provide a reference? Lucius Domitius 04:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Not that this already complex tree needs any further complication, but it might be worthwile to add Caesarion, Julius Caesar's son by Cleopatra VII of Egypt -- surely a relevant figure who is part of this extended family. -- Jfruh 17:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Really his name was Ptholomeus Caesar , but was better known as Caesarion. He was killed soon after the defeat of Maurcus Antonius and Cleopatra by his step brother Octavianus (in fact Octavianus himself was adopted as son by Iulius Caesar himself).
M. VALERIVS LONGINVS BRITANNICVS —Preceding unsigned comment added by M. Valerius Longinus Britannicus ( talk • contribs) 11:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
He came to power in AD 54, not AD 51 as the family tree indicates. Corax 05:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Wasn't Vipsania a daughter of Agrippa? 18.252.6.246 13:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
If there are no objections I would like make a tree with
Template:Familytree so that we can add links and edit it more easily. I am working on a version in
my sandbox before I load it here. —
David618
t 03:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Should Antonia Elder be added as she was an ancestor of Nero?-- Hjjcbvhbvh ( talk) 23:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
173.13.48.89 ( talk) 04:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)I know that in Colleen McCollough book First Man in Rome she makes a compelling argument for this marriage. I would like to know if the inclusion of that marriage in this family tree is further supported.----- Thanks ad
He was the son of Antonia Major (daughter of Marc Anthony). I think it's important that this be added to the graphic since he is the father of Nero. It further helps explain when this family got more nuts as time went on. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.232.41 ( talk • contribs)
Copied from my talk page:
I reverted your change on the Julio-Claudian family tree article. The entire article consists of one sentence and a family tree - it makes no sense to hide the tree, leaving the article as a single sentence. Please discuss this on the talk page before reinstating it. Tarl.Neustaedter ( talk) 00:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I have moved the legend to the bottom and given it a visual border . I have also created a References section and added a {{
unreferenced}}
template. --
PBS (
talk) 11:12, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
From the history of the article: user:Francis Schonken "put cn templates where a direct citation would be missing" What does that sentence mean? -- PBS ( talk) 15:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
{{
citation needed}}
tags as it would be unsightly (see
WP:CHALLENGE:
footnote 3). --
PBS (
talk) 16:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
{{
citation needed}}
tags as it would be unsightly (see
WP:CHALLENGE:
footnote 3)" is not covered by "actual policy"? Footnote 3 states "It may be that the article contains so few citations that it is impractical to add specific citation needed tags, in which case consider tagging a section with {{
unreferencedsection}}" so adding {{
unreferencedsection}} or something similar is covered by policy. Although placing {{
citation needed}} on every leaf on this tree is not practical, as a test case I shall add a couple from the example mentioned above. --
PBS (
talk) 21:08, 15 April 2015 (UTC)Re. Julio-Claudian family tree#Simplified: a simplified tree is nice, but the current one seems a bit unbalanced:
In sum, better to apply the same simplification rules throughout all generations. Otherwise "odd" is the least that can be said of this so-called simplification. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 09:30, 11 June 2016 (UTC)