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This truly wretched article fails to mention Schwinger's great work that won him the Nobel Prize, namely he was the first person to accurately calculate the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron. This was as important for quantum electrodynamics as was Bethe's calculation of the Lamb Shift - and yet there is not even a hint of it here. These physics articles, written by mediocre graduate students without knowledge of history OR physics, are the laughing stock of Wikipedia. -- 2601:C0:C77F:C810:F92C:5039:12AF:9A18 ( talk) 04:27, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
I find the statement "He expressed the Feynman path integral in differential form" to be misleading in the sense that it implies that Schwinger started with the path integral and rewrote it in differential form. However this is not at all the case. Rather Schwinger's differential formulation of QFT was later found (by Dyson) to be equivalent to Feynman's path integral approach. Ty8inf ( talk) 03:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I think there is a misunderstanding at work here. The term to "immigrate" is used in relation to a country to mean that a person relocates to that country. To "emigrate" is used in relation to a country to mean that someone leaves that country. Therefore, no matter from which perspective it is viewed, the term is clear for international readers, and the meaning of the sentence is that the person moved to the US from another place. Moreover, to "migrate" does not have the exact same meaning, and, while it not wrong to use the term, it is less precise in this situation. Silvrous Talk 10:13, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, there is a misunderstanding at work here - and I think it is you who are misunderstanding. One action of relocating one's life from Poland to the US can be described with 3 variants of the same verb
The only distinction between the verbs is that 'Emigrate' implies the country from which they departed according to the implied location of the author, 'Immigrate' implies the country in which they arrived again according to the implied location of the author and 'Migrate' makes no implication as to the perspective of the author, requiring origin and destination to be specified explicitly. The implications of author location translate into assumptions that the readers share the same location as the author
There is indeed a tautology in saying "immigrated to America" for US readers, because America is stated once and implied once, although this is consistent for those readers. This is a jarring contradiction for readers from all other locations because their own location is implied, but America is stated. The jarring conflict is only resolved by concluding that the author is based in the US. I note that you rejected the alternative "emigrated to America", which would be consistent for Polish readers, because Poland is both stated and implied but jarring for readers from all other locations unless they conclude that the author is based in Poland,
As I understand it, Wikipedia is neutral in author perspective - articles are not written from a US perspective and should strive to avoid this. That being the case 'migrate' is the correct word to use to preserve that neutral perspective. 'Alternately' (for users of US English and 'Altenatively' for users of UK English), if you insist on using the 'word 'Immigrate', it has to read:
Julian Seymour Schwinger was born in New York City, to Polish Jewish parents Belle (Rosenfeld) and Benjamin Schwinger, a garment manufacturer,[1][2] who had 'immigrated' (for US located readers, 'emigrated' for readers located in Poland and 'migrated' for all other readers) to America.
Please show some respect for non US users. The verbs 'Emigrate' and 'Immigrate' both imply author location and assume reader location, forcing readers from any other location to evaluate location unnecessarily. 'Migrate' reads equally well for all readers and rightly retains focus on the content rather than extraneous questions of location and perspective. -- 78.32.68.244 ( talk) 11:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Concerning the edit to 'emigrate', this is, of course, a valid way of describing the move made by the Schwinger family for readers based in Poland. In reverting from 'emigrate', user Silvrous states 'As explained on the talk page, it is gramatically incorrect to state that someone emigrates to a country'. This of course is false. Implicit in the context is the fact that the emigration was from Poland and the destination is explicitly specfied as the US. All emigrations and immgrations are from somewhere to somewhere else. There is no grammar error. This is not a syntactic issue, it is semantic. And to portray it as grammatic is a complete misrepresentation of the issue (coming back to this after I have eaten) -- 78.32.68.244 ( talk) 12:52, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Great! As you are accepting 'emigrate' we have moved on beyond any feeling that articles must be written from a US perspective, However, you have now changed it to a generally European and specifically Polish perspective.
Concise Oxford Dictionary: migrate move from one place (country, town, college, house) to another; ...
I'll admit to trying it on with 'emigrate' - for me it suffers the problem as 'immigrate' in that it imposes a perspective. Given the definition above, from a respected dictionary, can you now accept 'migrate' and eliminate all questions of perspective?-- 78.32.68.244 ( talk) 14:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Schwarzenegger does not bother me. But it was heartless giving me a reference to Einstein,-- 78.32.68.244 ( talk) 20:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Schwinger discovered that neutrinos come in multiple varieties...
I don't think the evidence is that compelling for this statement, but I don't judge myself competent enough to unilaterally edit this out. Supporters of this statement should offer evidence.
DMGualtieri (
talk) 13:43, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
no talk how his death related to his work? Juror1 ( talk) 06:31, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
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This truly wretched article fails to mention Schwinger's great work that won him the Nobel Prize, namely he was the first person to accurately calculate the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron. This was as important for quantum electrodynamics as was Bethe's calculation of the Lamb Shift - and yet there is not even a hint of it here. These physics articles, written by mediocre graduate students without knowledge of history OR physics, are the laughing stock of Wikipedia. -- 2601:C0:C77F:C810:F92C:5039:12AF:9A18 ( talk) 04:27, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
I find the statement "He expressed the Feynman path integral in differential form" to be misleading in the sense that it implies that Schwinger started with the path integral and rewrote it in differential form. However this is not at all the case. Rather Schwinger's differential formulation of QFT was later found (by Dyson) to be equivalent to Feynman's path integral approach. Ty8inf ( talk) 03:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I think there is a misunderstanding at work here. The term to "immigrate" is used in relation to a country to mean that a person relocates to that country. To "emigrate" is used in relation to a country to mean that someone leaves that country. Therefore, no matter from which perspective it is viewed, the term is clear for international readers, and the meaning of the sentence is that the person moved to the US from another place. Moreover, to "migrate" does not have the exact same meaning, and, while it not wrong to use the term, it is less precise in this situation. Silvrous Talk 10:13, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, there is a misunderstanding at work here - and I think it is you who are misunderstanding. One action of relocating one's life from Poland to the US can be described with 3 variants of the same verb
The only distinction between the verbs is that 'Emigrate' implies the country from which they departed according to the implied location of the author, 'Immigrate' implies the country in which they arrived again according to the implied location of the author and 'Migrate' makes no implication as to the perspective of the author, requiring origin and destination to be specified explicitly. The implications of author location translate into assumptions that the readers share the same location as the author
There is indeed a tautology in saying "immigrated to America" for US readers, because America is stated once and implied once, although this is consistent for those readers. This is a jarring contradiction for readers from all other locations because their own location is implied, but America is stated. The jarring conflict is only resolved by concluding that the author is based in the US. I note that you rejected the alternative "emigrated to America", which would be consistent for Polish readers, because Poland is both stated and implied but jarring for readers from all other locations unless they conclude that the author is based in Poland,
As I understand it, Wikipedia is neutral in author perspective - articles are not written from a US perspective and should strive to avoid this. That being the case 'migrate' is the correct word to use to preserve that neutral perspective. 'Alternately' (for users of US English and 'Altenatively' for users of UK English), if you insist on using the 'word 'Immigrate', it has to read:
Julian Seymour Schwinger was born in New York City, to Polish Jewish parents Belle (Rosenfeld) and Benjamin Schwinger, a garment manufacturer,[1][2] who had 'immigrated' (for US located readers, 'emigrated' for readers located in Poland and 'migrated' for all other readers) to America.
Please show some respect for non US users. The verbs 'Emigrate' and 'Immigrate' both imply author location and assume reader location, forcing readers from any other location to evaluate location unnecessarily. 'Migrate' reads equally well for all readers and rightly retains focus on the content rather than extraneous questions of location and perspective. -- 78.32.68.244 ( talk) 11:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Concerning the edit to 'emigrate', this is, of course, a valid way of describing the move made by the Schwinger family for readers based in Poland. In reverting from 'emigrate', user Silvrous states 'As explained on the talk page, it is gramatically incorrect to state that someone emigrates to a country'. This of course is false. Implicit in the context is the fact that the emigration was from Poland and the destination is explicitly specfied as the US. All emigrations and immgrations are from somewhere to somewhere else. There is no grammar error. This is not a syntactic issue, it is semantic. And to portray it as grammatic is a complete misrepresentation of the issue (coming back to this after I have eaten) -- 78.32.68.244 ( talk) 12:52, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Great! As you are accepting 'emigrate' we have moved on beyond any feeling that articles must be written from a US perspective, However, you have now changed it to a generally European and specifically Polish perspective.
Concise Oxford Dictionary: migrate move from one place (country, town, college, house) to another; ...
I'll admit to trying it on with 'emigrate' - for me it suffers the problem as 'immigrate' in that it imposes a perspective. Given the definition above, from a respected dictionary, can you now accept 'migrate' and eliminate all questions of perspective?-- 78.32.68.244 ( talk) 14:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Schwarzenegger does not bother me. But it was heartless giving me a reference to Einstein,-- 78.32.68.244 ( talk) 20:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Schwinger discovered that neutrinos come in multiple varieties...
I don't think the evidence is that compelling for this statement, but I don't judge myself competent enough to unilaterally edit this out. Supporters of this statement should offer evidence.
DMGualtieri (
talk) 13:43, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
no talk how his death related to his work? Juror1 ( talk) 06:31, 15 November 2017 (UTC)