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The Age has a good synopsis of events to date. I don't have time to update the article with this useful info for now. The URL is:
Robert Brockway 18:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Bullying behaviour of the Australian government? Can we make this a bit more NPOV, please?-- ManicParroT 21:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
This is still not NPOV. It reads more like an essay defending Moti over the legal controversies of the Vanuatu case, rather than a biographical article or stub. I'd tag this article as "Neutrality Disputed" if I knew how.-- 203.59.253.81 14:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted the section referring to the article's statements about the trial in Vanuatu, as it is irrelevant to the current controversy insofar as Moti holds Australian citizenship. Thus any trial he may have undergone according to Vanuatu is irrelevant and unrelated to the controversy of there being a case or not against him according to Australian Law. Additionally, it is not up to contributors of Wikipedia to determine what is extraordinary and what it is not. This is meant to be encyclopedic source of information, not an editorial. Xlh 01:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The details of the case against Julian Moti are hardly irrelevant to the issue of his extradition to Australia to face charges; a fortiori the fact that he is an Australian citizen does not make the original matter in Vanuatu irrelevant; it is merely what gives the Australian courts jurisdiction over the matter pursuant to the Australian international child sex offender legislation. And it is mischievous to describe the David Marr and Marian Wilkinson article in the Sydney Morning Herald which has been quoted (and removed several times) as a statement by "supporters" of Julian Moti. Marr and Wilkinson merely point out in disinterested journalistic fashion the weaknesses in the case against him; it verges on libel to describe this as being supportive of a person you apparently have already condemned as a paedophile. Moti has never been tried; he has addressed the question of whether he has a case to answer; it was that which the Vanuatu Court of Appeal determined had not been properly established and which it remitted back to a second magistrate to reconsider. (You appear to conflate the three Vanuatu hearings into one.) Marr and Wilkinson entirely leave it, as is proper in an impartial news item, for the reader to draw his or her own conclusions as to the implications – if any – of the Australian DPP going after Moti so energetically in the political circumstances of the matter. Or do you consider that any account of the Moti affair which does not condemn Moti and applaud the Australian DPP to be "supportive" of Moti? You might usefully take counsel from the truism of the criminal law that one is innocent until proven guilty, a matter which the Howard Government's minister of immigration and the DPP re-discovered, no doubt to the considerable cost of the public purse when the inevitable action for malicious prosecution and wrongful imprisonment is brought by Dr Mohamed Haneef. (And I hasten to assure you that this does not make me a "supporter" of Julian Moti either.) Masalai ( talk) 06:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
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==Situation in December 2007== In December 2007, the Solomon Islands' Prime Minister Sogavare was toppled in a [[vote of no confidence]], leaving Moti's fate uncertain. Indeed, it has been suggested that Sogavare's refusal to extradite Moti was the main cause of the Prime Minister's downfall [http://www.radiofiji.com.fj/fullstory.php?id=6577]. Opposition leader [[Fred Fono]] had promised in November to extradite Moti if he came to power [http://www.solomontimes.com/news.aspx?nwID=906]. The ''[[Fiji Times]]'' suggests that Moti may now flee to [[Fiji]] [http://www.fijitimes.com.fj/story.aspx?id=76505]. Aridd ( talk) 11:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
The quote from the Solomons Times was referenced and quoted here in the article out of context. Sogavare was criticising both the RSIP and the AFP not just the AFP. This is a biographical article, not a forum for Aussie bashing. Keep your references in context, accurate and factual. Xlh ( talk) 08:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I have posted the POV template on the article in the belief that there is a serious lack of balance between what might be regarded as sensationalist musings about the man's recent history, and the facts as outlined in public documents available in High Court in the Solomon Islands. Tony (talk) 11:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
As well as POV, there are serious issues in the prose. Thus, I've posted a copy-edit tag at the top of the article. Tony (talk) 02:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 00:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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The Age has a good synopsis of events to date. I don't have time to update the article with this useful info for now. The URL is:
Robert Brockway 18:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Bullying behaviour of the Australian government? Can we make this a bit more NPOV, please?-- ManicParroT 21:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
This is still not NPOV. It reads more like an essay defending Moti over the legal controversies of the Vanuatu case, rather than a biographical article or stub. I'd tag this article as "Neutrality Disputed" if I knew how.-- 203.59.253.81 14:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted the section referring to the article's statements about the trial in Vanuatu, as it is irrelevant to the current controversy insofar as Moti holds Australian citizenship. Thus any trial he may have undergone according to Vanuatu is irrelevant and unrelated to the controversy of there being a case or not against him according to Australian Law. Additionally, it is not up to contributors of Wikipedia to determine what is extraordinary and what it is not. This is meant to be encyclopedic source of information, not an editorial. Xlh 01:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The details of the case against Julian Moti are hardly irrelevant to the issue of his extradition to Australia to face charges; a fortiori the fact that he is an Australian citizen does not make the original matter in Vanuatu irrelevant; it is merely what gives the Australian courts jurisdiction over the matter pursuant to the Australian international child sex offender legislation. And it is mischievous to describe the David Marr and Marian Wilkinson article in the Sydney Morning Herald which has been quoted (and removed several times) as a statement by "supporters" of Julian Moti. Marr and Wilkinson merely point out in disinterested journalistic fashion the weaknesses in the case against him; it verges on libel to describe this as being supportive of a person you apparently have already condemned as a paedophile. Moti has never been tried; he has addressed the question of whether he has a case to answer; it was that which the Vanuatu Court of Appeal determined had not been properly established and which it remitted back to a second magistrate to reconsider. (You appear to conflate the three Vanuatu hearings into one.) Marr and Wilkinson entirely leave it, as is proper in an impartial news item, for the reader to draw his or her own conclusions as to the implications – if any – of the Australian DPP going after Moti so energetically in the political circumstances of the matter. Or do you consider that any account of the Moti affair which does not condemn Moti and applaud the Australian DPP to be "supportive" of Moti? You might usefully take counsel from the truism of the criminal law that one is innocent until proven guilty, a matter which the Howard Government's minister of immigration and the DPP re-discovered, no doubt to the considerable cost of the public purse when the inevitable action for malicious prosecution and wrongful imprisonment is brought by Dr Mohamed Haneef. (And I hasten to assure you that this does not make me a "supporter" of Julian Moti either.) Masalai ( talk) 06:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
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==Situation in December 2007== In December 2007, the Solomon Islands' Prime Minister Sogavare was toppled in a [[vote of no confidence]], leaving Moti's fate uncertain. Indeed, it has been suggested that Sogavare's refusal to extradite Moti was the main cause of the Prime Minister's downfall [http://www.radiofiji.com.fj/fullstory.php?id=6577]. Opposition leader [[Fred Fono]] had promised in November to extradite Moti if he came to power [http://www.solomontimes.com/news.aspx?nwID=906]. The ''[[Fiji Times]]'' suggests that Moti may now flee to [[Fiji]] [http://www.fijitimes.com.fj/story.aspx?id=76505]. Aridd ( talk) 11:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
The quote from the Solomons Times was referenced and quoted here in the article out of context. Sogavare was criticising both the RSIP and the AFP not just the AFP. This is a biographical article, not a forum for Aussie bashing. Keep your references in context, accurate and factual. Xlh ( talk) 08:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I have posted the POV template on the article in the belief that there is a serious lack of balance between what might be regarded as sensationalist musings about the man's recent history, and the facts as outlined in public documents available in High Court in the Solomon Islands. Tony (talk) 11:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
As well as POV, there are serious issues in the prose. Thus, I've posted a copy-edit tag at the top of the article. Tony (talk) 02:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 00:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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