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When died Augustus' daughter Julia Caesaris?
She died some time after Augustus' death in AD 14, but before AD 15 - Clearly stated in Tacitus, Annales 1.53 ("That same year Julia ended her days..."); cf. Ann.1.55, which commences the narration of events of AD 15.
In Latin, Romans called her Iulia Caesaris, not Julia Caesaris.
Julia is an English type name, not Roman.
The Romans did not know the modern English "J". Her name would have been pronounced "Yulia", as in Yuletide.
81.190.70.164. 10.04.2006.
Julia Caesaris links elsewhere need piping into specific subhead for specific figure. I have done on What links here page as far as Tiberius. Some useful bits of text to copy for doing so -
Neddyseagoon 03:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)neddyseagoon → updated -- Francis Schonken 10:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Better to make this page a short list or disambiguation page, and give each figure a separate page, even if that means some Ancient-Rome-bio-stub stubs? Simpler/more specific for linking, and ok for figures who get too long for here, like Julia the Elder Neddyseagoon 12:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)neddyseagoon
I know understand why Vipsania Julia had been added to the category. Vipsania's birth name is Vipsania Julia Agrippina not Julia Caesaris. Although she is known as Julia the Younger and Julia Caesaris the Younger her name is not Julia Caesaris. The only women of that name to be added are the sisters of Julius Caesar, mother of Antony, Marius' wife, daughter of Julius Caesar and Augustus' daughter. Augustus' daughter was the last woman to have the name Julia Caesaris. Augustus' granddaughters have the name Julia, however their names are not Julia Caesaris. I am refering to Vipsania Julia Agrippina and Julia Vipsania Agrippina (or known as Agrippina Major).
I tried to restore the content on several occasions to keep within the theme and originality of the article. Anriz 8 March 2006
If you read Suetonius and Tacitus she is known as Julia the Younger, however modern Historians call her Julia Caesaris the Younger. Information on Vipsania Julia, has been taken from mainly Suetonius, Tacitus and other historical sources. All the articles that I have made contributions to or have I research and typed for Wikipedia, the information is from ancient or modern sources. Anriz 9 March 2006
„Julia Caesaris (IVLIA•CAESARIS) is the name of all women in the Julii Caesares patrician family (a subdivision of the Julii family), since feminine names were their father's gens and cognomen declined in the female form.”
Does the ‘Caesaris’ represent the female form of a third declension (like the adjective celer / celeris / celere), or is it merely the genitive case of the noun Caesar (i.e. ‘Caesar’s’, ‘of Caesar’)? Is there so much as a single piece of evidence that ‘Caesaris’ existed as a feminine counterpart to ‘Caesar’? Surely Caesaris is merely the genitive of a noun: i.e. ‘Iulia [daughter etc.] of Caesar’. I don’t believe that just as there is a ‘Iulius Caesar’, so there has to be a ‘Iulia Caesaris’ – it ignores the subordinate status of women in Ancient Rome.
Take the name Caecilius Metellus, and the female counterpart Caecilia Metella: these are words of the first and second declension. Why should ‘Caesar’ (third declension) have a feminine form – it violates Latin idiom. Is there even one single case in ancient sources of the phrase 'Iulia Caesaris' (without the 'filia')? (Could the reference be provided?) 81.190.70.164
Have any scholarly biographies been written about Julia the Elder (the daughter of Augustus) aside from the yet to be released "Julia Augusti?" So far, I have not been able to locate a single one. -- Jello 06:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm also happy that someone has finally sat down a written a story about her history. The blurb on Amazon.co.uk says the following:
This scholarly biography details the life of an extraordinary woman in an extraordinary society. "Julia Augusti" studies the life of the only daughter of Augustus, the first Roman emperor, and the father who sacrificed his daughter and her children in order to establish a dynasty. Studying the abundant historical evidence available, this biography studies each stage of Julia's life in remarkable detail: her childhood - taken from her divorced mother to become part of a complex and unstable family structure; her youth - set against the brilliant social and cultural life of the new Augustan Rome; her marriages - as tools for Augustus' plans for succession; and Julia's violation of her father's moral regime, and the betrayal of her absent husband. Reflecting new attitudes, and casting fresh light on their social reality, this outstanding biography will delight, entertain and inform anyone interested in this engaging Classical figure. (Taken from Amazon.co.uk)
I have a list of the parts there are in the book here (Taken from Routledge):
I'm seriously looking forward to getting this book. I asked for it for my birthday and my mother was more then happy to get it for me. She says that she wouldn't mind reading it either. -- Sophie-Lou 16:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Since you pronounce Caesar as kai-sahr. Would you pronounce Caesaris like the German title, Kaiserin or Kai-shr-eese? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.82.157 ( talk) 01:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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When died Augustus' daughter Julia Caesaris?
She died some time after Augustus' death in AD 14, but before AD 15 - Clearly stated in Tacitus, Annales 1.53 ("That same year Julia ended her days..."); cf. Ann.1.55, which commences the narration of events of AD 15.
In Latin, Romans called her Iulia Caesaris, not Julia Caesaris.
Julia is an English type name, not Roman.
The Romans did not know the modern English "J". Her name would have been pronounced "Yulia", as in Yuletide.
81.190.70.164. 10.04.2006.
Julia Caesaris links elsewhere need piping into specific subhead for specific figure. I have done on What links here page as far as Tiberius. Some useful bits of text to copy for doing so -
Neddyseagoon 03:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)neddyseagoon → updated -- Francis Schonken 10:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Better to make this page a short list or disambiguation page, and give each figure a separate page, even if that means some Ancient-Rome-bio-stub stubs? Simpler/more specific for linking, and ok for figures who get too long for here, like Julia the Elder Neddyseagoon 12:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)neddyseagoon
I know understand why Vipsania Julia had been added to the category. Vipsania's birth name is Vipsania Julia Agrippina not Julia Caesaris. Although she is known as Julia the Younger and Julia Caesaris the Younger her name is not Julia Caesaris. The only women of that name to be added are the sisters of Julius Caesar, mother of Antony, Marius' wife, daughter of Julius Caesar and Augustus' daughter. Augustus' daughter was the last woman to have the name Julia Caesaris. Augustus' granddaughters have the name Julia, however their names are not Julia Caesaris. I am refering to Vipsania Julia Agrippina and Julia Vipsania Agrippina (or known as Agrippina Major).
I tried to restore the content on several occasions to keep within the theme and originality of the article. Anriz 8 March 2006
If you read Suetonius and Tacitus she is known as Julia the Younger, however modern Historians call her Julia Caesaris the Younger. Information on Vipsania Julia, has been taken from mainly Suetonius, Tacitus and other historical sources. All the articles that I have made contributions to or have I research and typed for Wikipedia, the information is from ancient or modern sources. Anriz 9 March 2006
„Julia Caesaris (IVLIA•CAESARIS) is the name of all women in the Julii Caesares patrician family (a subdivision of the Julii family), since feminine names were their father's gens and cognomen declined in the female form.”
Does the ‘Caesaris’ represent the female form of a third declension (like the adjective celer / celeris / celere), or is it merely the genitive case of the noun Caesar (i.e. ‘Caesar’s’, ‘of Caesar’)? Is there so much as a single piece of evidence that ‘Caesaris’ existed as a feminine counterpart to ‘Caesar’? Surely Caesaris is merely the genitive of a noun: i.e. ‘Iulia [daughter etc.] of Caesar’. I don’t believe that just as there is a ‘Iulius Caesar’, so there has to be a ‘Iulia Caesaris’ – it ignores the subordinate status of women in Ancient Rome.
Take the name Caecilius Metellus, and the female counterpart Caecilia Metella: these are words of the first and second declension. Why should ‘Caesar’ (third declension) have a feminine form – it violates Latin idiom. Is there even one single case in ancient sources of the phrase 'Iulia Caesaris' (without the 'filia')? (Could the reference be provided?) 81.190.70.164
Have any scholarly biographies been written about Julia the Elder (the daughter of Augustus) aside from the yet to be released "Julia Augusti?" So far, I have not been able to locate a single one. -- Jello 06:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm also happy that someone has finally sat down a written a story about her history. The blurb on Amazon.co.uk says the following:
This scholarly biography details the life of an extraordinary woman in an extraordinary society. "Julia Augusti" studies the life of the only daughter of Augustus, the first Roman emperor, and the father who sacrificed his daughter and her children in order to establish a dynasty. Studying the abundant historical evidence available, this biography studies each stage of Julia's life in remarkable detail: her childhood - taken from her divorced mother to become part of a complex and unstable family structure; her youth - set against the brilliant social and cultural life of the new Augustan Rome; her marriages - as tools for Augustus' plans for succession; and Julia's violation of her father's moral regime, and the betrayal of her absent husband. Reflecting new attitudes, and casting fresh light on their social reality, this outstanding biography will delight, entertain and inform anyone interested in this engaging Classical figure. (Taken from Amazon.co.uk)
I have a list of the parts there are in the book here (Taken from Routledge):
I'm seriously looking forward to getting this book. I asked for it for my birthday and my mother was more then happy to get it for me. She says that she wouldn't mind reading it either. -- Sophie-Lou 16:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Since you pronounce Caesar as kai-sahr. Would you pronounce Caesaris like the German title, Kaiserin or Kai-shr-eese? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.82.157 ( talk) 01:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)