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The part about the PDE error quotes a NASA statement -- ESA describes the events a bit different here. -- 91.19.253.124 ( talk) 17:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
on the box on the right, the mass is listed as 20 tonnes, however a tonne is a measurement of weight and not of mass, so shouldnt the mass be expressed in some other form of unit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.28.185 ( talk) 21:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
No, weight is measured in kilograms, and mass is measured in Newtons. And yes, it should be listed in mass, since the normal earth gravitational acceleration constant (9.8 m/s) doesn't apply.
I assume that since nothing is said about crew on board that this is unmanned, but perhaps we should actually say so in the opening paragraph since that is one of the first things that reader would want to establish.
IceDragon64 ( talk) 00:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
It says JV will go into a destructive reentry. Does that mean it will be completely burnt up? It would be nice if we could say a little about this, or guide the reader to a link where that is explained.
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What does "....Jules Verne will also be used to reboost the space station." mean? - have its orbit boosted? -- 83.105.33.91 ( talk) 11:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Are those Verne manuscripts definitely on board? The NY Times article on the ATV today says:
"Because the mission is considered a test flight, station controllers did not include any irreplaceable or one-of-a-kind cargo on this mission, said Michael Suffredini, NASA’s station program manager."
Surely the manuscripts would qualify? Article here. -- Jfruh ( talk) 19:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
"After having named the first ATV Jules Verne because of his visionary writings and the vehicle innovative design opening the doors to future European extraordinary voyages in space, we wanted to pay tribute to his inspirational work by flying on board this fantastic spaceship selected notes from his personal original notebooks," explained Jean-François Clervoy, ESA's ATV Senior Advisor Astronaut, in an e-mailed interview.
"We chose two of his notes directly related to space travel, and selected also one of his own quotes that reflects well the vision of the European Space Agency: 'en avant'... ce doit être la devise de l'humanite!' ('let's charge forward'... it should be the motto of humankind!')," wrote Clervoy, who has flown in space on three shuttle missions, most recently in 1999.
According to Clervoy, the manuscripts and special quote are flying with a copy of "De la Terre à la Lune and Autour de la Lune" published during Verne's own lifetime.
At the post docking press conference at JSC, it was clarified they will be brought back with a future Shuttle or Soyuz launch. Hektor ( talk) 07:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
how much? air or oxygen? how much water? how many altitude miles of reboost? CorvetteZ51 ( talk) 09:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I changed the text to first non-russian automatic docking, see discussion here Acer ( talk) 13:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
It states on the ESA news website that the ATV will be docked for 4 months but for 6 months on another part of its website
"New delivery service
Now that it is docked, the ATV Jules Verne will become an additional module of the ISS for about four months. The astronaut .... http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMORO5QGEF_index_0.html
The ATV will remain attached as a pressurised and integral part of the Station for up to six months. After .... http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/ATV/SEMOP432VBF_0.html
Which one is right?
It is an appropriate and notable bit for the article. It provides some history. I can easily imagine someone reading the article & wondering what the history of it is... I don't think removing the bit is better. E_dog95' Hi ' 17:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Fiction? E_dog95' Hi ' 20:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah-- If everything added is fiction I also don’t see how it’s really that important. -- DavidD4scnrt ( talk) 06:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed all of it. Did some searching for an hour or so, and could not find any source for any sort of "first". I still think it's the first European docking with a space station (i'm counting columbus as a berthing here), but there is no source that claims the same. My 2nd explanation for the words of Thirkettle that I had was based on the emphasis of "automated", figuring that there would be no automated space station craft that did not have manual controls available to it. But, Progress used to do automated dockings with Salyut 3 and later for instance. Only in the early 90s, Russia developed the Progress TORU remote controlling system. So that theory is out the window as well. Conclusion. Thirkettle got carried away :D -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 19:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Length? Diameter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.209.128 ( talk) 09:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
They've unveiled a mockup of a manned version of the Jules Verne in Berlin recently. Should this manned development of the ATV be mentioned in the article? Source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.148.47 ( talk) 12:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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The part about the PDE error quotes a NASA statement -- ESA describes the events a bit different here. -- 91.19.253.124 ( talk) 17:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
on the box on the right, the mass is listed as 20 tonnes, however a tonne is a measurement of weight and not of mass, so shouldnt the mass be expressed in some other form of unit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.28.185 ( talk) 21:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
No, weight is measured in kilograms, and mass is measured in Newtons. And yes, it should be listed in mass, since the normal earth gravitational acceleration constant (9.8 m/s) doesn't apply.
I assume that since nothing is said about crew on board that this is unmanned, but perhaps we should actually say so in the opening paragraph since that is one of the first things that reader would want to establish.
IceDragon64 ( talk) 00:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
It says JV will go into a destructive reentry. Does that mean it will be completely burnt up? It would be nice if we could say a little about this, or guide the reader to a link where that is explained.
IceDragon64 (
talk) 00:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
What does "....Jules Verne will also be used to reboost the space station." mean? - have its orbit boosted? -- 83.105.33.91 ( talk) 11:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Are those Verne manuscripts definitely on board? The NY Times article on the ATV today says:
"Because the mission is considered a test flight, station controllers did not include any irreplaceable or one-of-a-kind cargo on this mission, said Michael Suffredini, NASA’s station program manager."
Surely the manuscripts would qualify? Article here. -- Jfruh ( talk) 19:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
"After having named the first ATV Jules Verne because of his visionary writings and the vehicle innovative design opening the doors to future European extraordinary voyages in space, we wanted to pay tribute to his inspirational work by flying on board this fantastic spaceship selected notes from his personal original notebooks," explained Jean-François Clervoy, ESA's ATV Senior Advisor Astronaut, in an e-mailed interview.
"We chose two of his notes directly related to space travel, and selected also one of his own quotes that reflects well the vision of the European Space Agency: 'en avant'... ce doit être la devise de l'humanite!' ('let's charge forward'... it should be the motto of humankind!')," wrote Clervoy, who has flown in space on three shuttle missions, most recently in 1999.
According to Clervoy, the manuscripts and special quote are flying with a copy of "De la Terre à la Lune and Autour de la Lune" published during Verne's own lifetime.
At the post docking press conference at JSC, it was clarified they will be brought back with a future Shuttle or Soyuz launch. Hektor ( talk) 07:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
how much? air or oxygen? how much water? how many altitude miles of reboost? CorvetteZ51 ( talk) 09:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I changed the text to first non-russian automatic docking, see discussion here Acer ( talk) 13:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
It states on the ESA news website that the ATV will be docked for 4 months but for 6 months on another part of its website
"New delivery service
Now that it is docked, the ATV Jules Verne will become an additional module of the ISS for about four months. The astronaut .... http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMORO5QGEF_index_0.html
The ATV will remain attached as a pressurised and integral part of the Station for up to six months. After .... http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/ATV/SEMOP432VBF_0.html
Which one is right?
It is an appropriate and notable bit for the article. It provides some history. I can easily imagine someone reading the article & wondering what the history of it is... I don't think removing the bit is better. E_dog95' Hi ' 17:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Fiction? E_dog95' Hi ' 20:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah-- If everything added is fiction I also don’t see how it’s really that important. -- DavidD4scnrt ( talk) 06:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed all of it. Did some searching for an hour or so, and could not find any source for any sort of "first". I still think it's the first European docking with a space station (i'm counting columbus as a berthing here), but there is no source that claims the same. My 2nd explanation for the words of Thirkettle that I had was based on the emphasis of "automated", figuring that there would be no automated space station craft that did not have manual controls available to it. But, Progress used to do automated dockings with Salyut 3 and later for instance. Only in the early 90s, Russia developed the Progress TORU remote controlling system. So that theory is out the window as well. Conclusion. Thirkettle got carried away :D -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 19:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Length? Diameter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.209.128 ( talk) 09:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
They've unveiled a mockup of a manned version of the Jules Verne in Berlin recently. Should this manned development of the ATV be mentioned in the article? Source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.148.47 ( talk) 12:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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