![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 |
I changed th\\e amount of Seconal found in her blood, to correspond with a reliable newspaper source. The amount stated before I changed it was 4.9 mg, and a capsule of Seconal contains 100 mg., so that was obviously inaccurate. After searching several archives, I found an article that gave the dosage as 15 grains, or approximately 1000mg (thus, 10 capsules, a fatal dose). That makes a lot more sense. Jeffpw 21:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure where this would fit in the structure of the article, but I think it would be worth a mention: James Mason's wife Pamela Mason apparently remarked during the making of A Star is Born, "Judy can only sing for nothing". Oscar Levant expands on this, "At parties, Judy could sing all night, endlessly… but when it came time to appear on a movie set, she just wouldn't show up. - Oscar Levant, The Unimportance of Being Oscar, Pocket Books 1969 (reprint of G.P. Putnam 1968), p. 35. ISBN 0-671-77104-3.
Anyway, I won't be watchlisting this; if someone can use this, great. - Jmabel | Talk 02:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Archived all the old talk since the page was getting... enormous. -- Ozgod 19:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
If Judy Garland overdosed, who did she disobey? -- PJ Pete
Would it best to create subpages for the lists of all Judy's films, recordings, biographies, etc? -- Ozgod 16:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I have relocated all of her additional information (filmography, discography, etc) into a singular subpage. It too will need fleshing out. It may be more appropriate to go into detail there of specific concerts, films, etc. that should not, or cannot, be covered in the main article. -- Ozgod 11:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I have changed this back to B. As I have stated elsewhere on this page, and also on its peer review and on Ozgod's talk page when it was improperly listed as a FAC, it has far too many problems to be listed as more than a B at this time. Creating the subpages, as was mentioned immediately above on this page, would be a good first step; however, the main guardian of this article, Ozgod, doesn't seem responsive to suggestions made as to improvements. I've offered on more than one occasion to help improve things, and have given lists of suggestions, but lost interest when I got no response. Jeffpw 08:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
(reduce indent) I was going to keep this article unassessed until an independent person (such as Errabee) would have assessed the article properly. However, I think it was not in the appropriate manner for you to change the assessment Jeff, since you are not on the assessment committee. Real96 09:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Moved all additional information - Honors, Tributes, Collectibles, etc. - to a subpage, renamed the subsection 'See Also' to Supplemental Information. -- Ozgod 05:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Is it an event worthy enough of its own article? -- Ozgod 05:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't really see how it's relevant at all. Why is it about the summarised life of a pilot? Anwenx 20:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't her importance to queer culture have it's own section?
I can't believe there is no reference to Stonewall. I didn't edit it in because I thought it can't possibly be an oversight, and I don't want to get into an edit war with some ***. You wikipedians sort this out. -- 87.162.45.101 12:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed the link from his reference. -- Jmeden2000 18:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I failed this article on failure to meet criteria two, references. This article is rife with, in most sections, including the intro, unsourced statements (the ancestry section is a particularly glaring one, but it's all over). I think that with the proper references accompanying them, this article would be nicely written and would qualify for GA. Dooms Day349 00:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
A trivia section has been added to this article. I beleive that Triva sections are useless information and often un-verifiable - if the "Triva" is factual and important it belongs in the body of the article. Wikipedia is an encyclopidia meant for factual data. A trivia section for this article will make it longer and result in endless silly entries (see Liza Minnelli article)) considering the popularity of the subject and her wit. A link to Wikiquotes seems to have been lost but is relevant to the article. Other articles with Trivia sections are criticised for this teh Judy Garland article is too good for this type of crap - If it is important that she was in 10 movies with Mickey Rooney it belongs somewhere in the article, the fact that she was named 8th Greatest Female Star by AFI is trivia but perhaps belongs with the Honors supplemental information. 86.12.255.180 10:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I failed this article because it did not use full citations for most of the article's references. For example: citations 2, 14-18, and 21-22 to name a few, should be converted to {{ cite web}}, {{ cite book}}, {{ cite news}}, {{ cite map}}, and/or {{ cite journal}}. In the Ancestry section, "(reference: The Golden Years by Rita Piro)" should be a citation. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 02:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Additionally, the intro should be expanded to two or three paragraphs to better summarize the article. The copyrighted images also need detailed fair use rationales to justify their use on the page. Look to other passed GAs for examples. -- Nehrams2020 05:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
This section already appears as a section of a sub-article - putting it here is duplication. The section of Garland as a gay Icon according to previous discussions belongs on the sub-article page titled Judy Garland Honors that listed in the 'see also' section. That sub-article carries the details and useful information about Garland in "Popular Culture", I think that this Gay Icon section is more appropriate in that sub-article where it already is and that article currently named Judy Garland Honors should be renamed to Judy Garland in Popular Culture to reflect its contents more appropriately, of course Honors should remain included in the article as they are an important facet of the entire 'celebrity' and the phenominal legacy that she has left. In addition to add this section back into the main article defeats the original purpose of seperating the areas to reduce the size of the main article that should remain as it was as it covers the facts of her life. 86.12.248.114 17:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Frances Ethel Gumm the little girl from Minnesotta who became the international star known as Judy Garland officially and legally changed her name from Frances Ethel Gumm to Judy Garland in 1968. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.248.114 ( talk) 15:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
The article states:
"Her earliest paternal ancestor was George Marable (1631–1683), who . . .."
Um, hold on a second. How did Mr. Marable come into being -- parthenogenesis ??? Daqu ( talk) 21:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 |
I changed th\\e amount of Seconal found in her blood, to correspond with a reliable newspaper source. The amount stated before I changed it was 4.9 mg, and a capsule of Seconal contains 100 mg., so that was obviously inaccurate. After searching several archives, I found an article that gave the dosage as 15 grains, or approximately 1000mg (thus, 10 capsules, a fatal dose). That makes a lot more sense. Jeffpw 21:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure where this would fit in the structure of the article, but I think it would be worth a mention: James Mason's wife Pamela Mason apparently remarked during the making of A Star is Born, "Judy can only sing for nothing". Oscar Levant expands on this, "At parties, Judy could sing all night, endlessly… but when it came time to appear on a movie set, she just wouldn't show up. - Oscar Levant, The Unimportance of Being Oscar, Pocket Books 1969 (reprint of G.P. Putnam 1968), p. 35. ISBN 0-671-77104-3.
Anyway, I won't be watchlisting this; if someone can use this, great. - Jmabel | Talk 02:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Archived all the old talk since the page was getting... enormous. -- Ozgod 19:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
If Judy Garland overdosed, who did she disobey? -- PJ Pete
Would it best to create subpages for the lists of all Judy's films, recordings, biographies, etc? -- Ozgod 16:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I have relocated all of her additional information (filmography, discography, etc) into a singular subpage. It too will need fleshing out. It may be more appropriate to go into detail there of specific concerts, films, etc. that should not, or cannot, be covered in the main article. -- Ozgod 11:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I have changed this back to B. As I have stated elsewhere on this page, and also on its peer review and on Ozgod's talk page when it was improperly listed as a FAC, it has far too many problems to be listed as more than a B at this time. Creating the subpages, as was mentioned immediately above on this page, would be a good first step; however, the main guardian of this article, Ozgod, doesn't seem responsive to suggestions made as to improvements. I've offered on more than one occasion to help improve things, and have given lists of suggestions, but lost interest when I got no response. Jeffpw 08:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
(reduce indent) I was going to keep this article unassessed until an independent person (such as Errabee) would have assessed the article properly. However, I think it was not in the appropriate manner for you to change the assessment Jeff, since you are not on the assessment committee. Real96 09:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Moved all additional information - Honors, Tributes, Collectibles, etc. - to a subpage, renamed the subsection 'See Also' to Supplemental Information. -- Ozgod 05:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Is it an event worthy enough of its own article? -- Ozgod 05:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't really see how it's relevant at all. Why is it about the summarised life of a pilot? Anwenx 20:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't her importance to queer culture have it's own section?
I can't believe there is no reference to Stonewall. I didn't edit it in because I thought it can't possibly be an oversight, and I don't want to get into an edit war with some ***. You wikipedians sort this out. -- 87.162.45.101 12:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed the link from his reference. -- Jmeden2000 18:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I failed this article on failure to meet criteria two, references. This article is rife with, in most sections, including the intro, unsourced statements (the ancestry section is a particularly glaring one, but it's all over). I think that with the proper references accompanying them, this article would be nicely written and would qualify for GA. Dooms Day349 00:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
A trivia section has been added to this article. I beleive that Triva sections are useless information and often un-verifiable - if the "Triva" is factual and important it belongs in the body of the article. Wikipedia is an encyclopidia meant for factual data. A trivia section for this article will make it longer and result in endless silly entries (see Liza Minnelli article)) considering the popularity of the subject and her wit. A link to Wikiquotes seems to have been lost but is relevant to the article. Other articles with Trivia sections are criticised for this teh Judy Garland article is too good for this type of crap - If it is important that she was in 10 movies with Mickey Rooney it belongs somewhere in the article, the fact that she was named 8th Greatest Female Star by AFI is trivia but perhaps belongs with the Honors supplemental information. 86.12.255.180 10:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I failed this article because it did not use full citations for most of the article's references. For example: citations 2, 14-18, and 21-22 to name a few, should be converted to {{ cite web}}, {{ cite book}}, {{ cite news}}, {{ cite map}}, and/or {{ cite journal}}. In the Ancestry section, "(reference: The Golden Years by Rita Piro)" should be a citation. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 02:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Additionally, the intro should be expanded to two or three paragraphs to better summarize the article. The copyrighted images also need detailed fair use rationales to justify their use on the page. Look to other passed GAs for examples. -- Nehrams2020 05:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
This section already appears as a section of a sub-article - putting it here is duplication. The section of Garland as a gay Icon according to previous discussions belongs on the sub-article page titled Judy Garland Honors that listed in the 'see also' section. That sub-article carries the details and useful information about Garland in "Popular Culture", I think that this Gay Icon section is more appropriate in that sub-article where it already is and that article currently named Judy Garland Honors should be renamed to Judy Garland in Popular Culture to reflect its contents more appropriately, of course Honors should remain included in the article as they are an important facet of the entire 'celebrity' and the phenominal legacy that she has left. In addition to add this section back into the main article defeats the original purpose of seperating the areas to reduce the size of the main article that should remain as it was as it covers the facts of her life. 86.12.248.114 17:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Frances Ethel Gumm the little girl from Minnesotta who became the international star known as Judy Garland officially and legally changed her name from Frances Ethel Gumm to Judy Garland in 1968. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.248.114 ( talk) 15:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
The article states:
"Her earliest paternal ancestor was George Marable (1631–1683), who . . .."
Um, hold on a second. How did Mr. Marable come into being -- parthenogenesis ??? Daqu ( talk) 21:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)