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Mirror Vax, a murder/suicide such as the ones involving Phil Hartman and Judith Barsi, counts as unsolved cases, on the merit that even though we know who did the crime, the circumstances behind it will never be known and the killer was never brought to justice as he killed himself. A murderer killing him/herself makes the case all the more difficult to solve, if not at all. So it is an unsolved case, and the category is hereby reinstated.
If it's OK, I've added a bit more context to the article. I was a childhood friend of Judith’s and remember her story very well.
CagedRage
22:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
She died in 1988 but her voice work appears in 1994 and 1995 films? Is this accurate?
The article states, "On July 25th 1988 Judith was murdered by her father, Jozsef Barsi, along with her mother Maria Barsi." When I first read this sentence, I was unsure as to whether Judith was murdered along with her mother, or if her father, along with her mother, murdered her. Could I (or someone else) change the sentence to read "On July 25th, 1988 Judith was murdered, along with her mother Maria Barsi, by her father, Jozsef Barsi." (Since I'm not a registered user and this is sort of complicated, I thought I should ask permission first...also note the addition of a comma in the date.) 74.69.87.172 02:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I didn't see it listed here, but can someone add that she played a character on Punky Brewster on season 2's episode 19? Her character's name was Anna. I'd do it myself but I don't know how to do it without messing it up. Thanks!
KikiC423 (
talk)
18:39, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
The Filmography lists a 1989 production in which Judith Barsi was credited with voice acting. Maybe the technical details of sound production are simple, I wouldn't know, but shouldn't the circumstances of this posthumous use of her voice be mentioned in the article? - Fsotrain09 01:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering if we could have a bit more info about her headstone? Does anyone know why her grave was unmarked for so long. Certainly the family would have had money to buy a headstone. Also, there is no mention about the reaction to her death by the media and by anyone she ever worked with. Does anyone have any info about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.250.143 ( talk) 19:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Because the only persons mentioned in this article (at the moment) are all surnamed "Barsi", I think it would be preferable to call the child "Judith" rather than "Barsi". Note that the parents are called "Jozsef" and "Maria" throughout. 24.36.35.188 ( talk) 14:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Use wikipedia all the time, new to editing.
This page is seriously lacking in sources. It needs to be sourced or removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.158.15 ( talk) 23:45, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I believe it's customary for a person's nationality to be based on the country the person is born, not on the nationality of the person's parents, even in this case where we are talking about a child. Her parents may have been from Hungary but Judith was born in America and never had Hungarian citizenship. For An Angel ( talk) 18:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
judiths parents are both hungarian and in all other pages such as Michael J. Fox and Ashleigh Aston Moore that they'd either be *place of birth*-american or nationality is *place of birth*, also, they are immigrants and i don't think are legal citizens. so at least put Hungarian-American or better yet Hungarian which it says on her death certificate.
what bout michael j fox and ashleigh aston moore and others who are listed the same way even though their parents were born somewhere else, and technically american isn't a heritage, someone always has roots from another country, so she definitely and unarguably is hungarian or at least Hungarian American, thats like saying someone who is spanish is asian or german just because they were born there, not trying to be racist, just giving an example. *Text removed* ( Boberson33 ( talk) 22:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC))
where does it say that she's american on her death certificate ( Boberson33 ( talk) 00:10, 8 June 2011 (UTC))
do you have a link to this photo? ( Boberson33 ( talk) 21:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC))
As a compromise why don't we say "was an american child actress of Hungarian descent" I've seen it used on other articles so why should this be an exception, I'll edit it now and if anyone objects then they can take it off and say why in the discussion 82.5.224.82 ( talk) 21:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
what about Ashleigh Aston Moore, on her page it say 'Canadian child actress' even though she was born in sweet-ol'-Cali (california), and she only died in Canada, it doesn't say anywhere she became a canadian citizen, and their are plenty of other articles as well that do the same thing, ( Boberson33 ( talk) 21:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)) , and i still don't see why you had to be such a grouchy pants
THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT HER THAT IS AMERICAN, UR FRIGGIN IGNERINTT, YEA GO AHEAD, BLOCKK MEE [[Boberson33}]
♣ You'll just be like the rest of the adminz— Preceding
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I like the portrait and all, and it has a place in this article, but isn't it inappropriate to use a portrait of her as her picture when there are many actual photographs of her available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.208.36.32 ( talk) 21:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
I reverted the recent edits by User:EditorE. Overall, prior to my edits, this article was poorly organized, and my edits were an effort to better organize the information contained within the article while removing details that fell under WP:NOTMEMORIAL.
Barsi did not "star" in Jaws: The Revenge, and her other film contributions were as a voice actress. Trivia about her stature and "[playing] characters younger than her actual age" does not belong in the lead of an article. Also, the drawing of Barsi was not appropriate for the infobox.
Most of this information was retained and relocated to the Judith Barsi#Family history and death section.
Most of the details prior to my reversions were retained and the section was condensed. Information removed included where the child was discovered, and a description of Barsi made by a director.
A quote box containing her father's words is not appropriate for this article. Again, most of the information from these two sections was retained and condensed in the last three paragraphs Judith Barsi#Family history and death.
A 10-year old child actress (whose contributions included little more than appearing as an extra and providing voice work for animated films released after her death) does not have a legacy. Yes, it is very unfortunate a child was murdered. However, this section was a clear violation of WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Fan club activity is not information that should be included, and including a picture of her headstone is not necessary.
AldezD ( talk) 13:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I also removed two external links to fansites per WP:ELNO #11, since neither was written by a recognized authority. AldezD ( talk) 16:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I've asked for a Third Opinion, given the brewing edit war. Paul Austin ( talk) 17:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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Disclaimers: I am responding to a third opinion request made at WP:3O. I have made no previous edits on Judith Barsi and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process (FAQ) is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. Third opinions are not tiebreakers and should not be "counted" in determining whether or not consensus has been reached. My personal standards for issuing third opinions can be viewed here. |
Opinion: But first a procedural note: There was a request also filed at the
Dispute Resolution Noticeboard about this dispute. I work at both 3O and DRN. I closed the DRN request since this 3O request was filed first. The DRN request can be refiled if the dispute continues after this opinion. Opinion:
WP:NOTMEMORIAL only has to do with
notability, as stated in its first sentence,As stated in the lede of the Notability policy, Thus WP:NOTMEMORIAL has only to do with the existence of articles as a whole, and has nothing to do with the content of articles. It is not a standard for the inclusion or exclusion of information. The additions and deletions in this article need to be adjudged on the basis of first, whether or not they are reliably sourced and if they are then, second, on the basis of what weight to give them. Remember that reliable sourcing is an exclusionary, not an inclusionary rule: if something is not reliably sourced it cannot be in an article. If it is reliably sourced, it still may not be important enough to be in the article, that's what weight is about. The parties here should familiarize themselves with those policies and then re-discuss the material in question. |
What's next: Once you've considered this opinion click here to see what happens next.— TransporterMan ( TALK) 19:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC) |
These two sections are barely relevant to the article subject. The information contained within adds no understanding to the article subject, and also does not provide basis for explaining the abuse and murder of the article subject. Instead of edit warring, please provide reasoning and basis for including the information before re-adding/maintaining. AldezD ( talk) 17:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Only information that directly relates to her father's growing mental instability should be included. Her father's flight from his native country, where he lived, his first marriage, other children and their dates of death have no use within this article whatsoever. If József Barsi were notable enough to have his own article, it should be included there, not in here. Her mother's career also has no place in this article.
The details contained within the Family history and death section in the revision as of 18:15 17 June 2013 are more than adequate, and no reasoning has been provided as to why this information has been repeatedly added back in by EditorE. AldezD ( talk) 17:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I removed the reference to DEATH OF A FAMILY - Judith Barsi's story on YouTube, since this reference is a violation of WP:YOUTUBE, copyrighted material posted on an individual user's account. If there is a non-copyvio version, please re-add the reference. Statements previously referenced with this source have been tagged with WP:CN. AldezD ( talk) 12:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Additionally, the reference to Don Bluth All Dogs Go To Heaven is dubious and may not meet WP:V, since it appears to be a blog post and not directly verifiable back to the author. If there are additional references for the same statement, please add them. AldezD ( talk) 12:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
@ AldezD:, Not having information about where the image of Judith comes from is both ridiculous and patently stupid. Since i do not believe you are stupid, please re-familiarise yourself with WP:OWN. Paul Austin ( talk) 11:02, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
@ AldezD:: Burying her in Forest Lawn where a lot of Hollywood celebs are buried, *has* to have been a deliberate and powerful statement. We know that the family back in Hungary did not want anything to do with it and Judith and Maria could just have easily been put in a pauper's grave. Paul Austin ( talk) 01:49, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Please do not add deliberate factual errors ( [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]) or add "little orphan girl" describing a character/change "child" to "little girl" ( [7], [8], [9], [10], [11]) as seen in these linked edits. These edits do not improve the article. AldezD ( talk) 02:03, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
It is stated that " Physical violence continued", but the article refers to no physical violence, jus the threat of violence. This should be corrected. Royalcourtier ( talk) 06:48, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I have removed the parameter in its entirety for now, in an effort to shut down an edit war based entirely on WP:IDLI and/or WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. In particular, we cannot use our own articles as an excuse to spread inaccurate data in violation of policy.
"Gunshot" was left intact per the discussion here. To be clear, per Crime Museum and numerous coroners' websites:
Further discussion should take place here, not in summaries during edit wars. — ATS 🖖 talk 23:22, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion either way, honestly. End this back-and-forth and use what is listed on the death certificate as "cause of death"—"gunshot wound to the head"—and link the appropriate reference. AldezD ( talk) 00:05, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Assume a person with a Wiki article is/was shot to death. Which, if any, should be listed under death_cause =
?
Note: while this is intended for general resolution, an editor has noted that the article subject was killed at age 10. — ATS 🖖 talk 00:03, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I ask User:AldezD to re-familiarise themselves with Wikipedia:Ownership of content. Paul Benjamin Austin ( talk) 17:49, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I am a bitch. However, in this latest case, I am a well-informed bitch. Judith's on-screen credit for Fatal Vision ("Kimberly (age 3)" indicates the character was toddler age. Barsi was six in 1984. It is stated in Jaws IV that Barsi's character, Thea Brody, is five. Jaws IV was filmed in 1987 when Barsi was nine. Paul Benjamin Austin ( talk) 18:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
How about "in Fatal Vision she played "Kimberly" (age 3) when aged 6? Slatersteven ( talk) 18:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I think we need to RFC this, s if one more edit is made *and then reverted by Aldesd) it will be a breach of 3RR and that smacks of baiting. Slatersteven ( talk) 18:58, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
As it reads the page makes little sense (due to removal of information) why does it matter how old she was in Fatal Image unless there is some difference between that and the age of the character she played? Either we explain why this is a relevant fact or removal what is (in effect) a non sequitur. Slatersteven ( talk) 19:15, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
"murder" is a legal term. József Barsi killed himself before he could be tried and convicted of murder. Judith and Maria's deaths were therefore homicides not murders. Paul Benjamin Austin ( talk) 05:02, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Regarding that user's recent addition of the Hanna-Barbera audition... the two series H-B were making in 1988 were Dink, the Little Dinosaur and Paddington Bear. All the evidence and sources we have point towards it being Dink that Judith was scheduled to audition for that day. Paul Benjamin Austin ( talk) 06:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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Mirror Vax, a murder/suicide such as the ones involving Phil Hartman and Judith Barsi, counts as unsolved cases, on the merit that even though we know who did the crime, the circumstances behind it will never be known and the killer was never brought to justice as he killed himself. A murderer killing him/herself makes the case all the more difficult to solve, if not at all. So it is an unsolved case, and the category is hereby reinstated.
If it's OK, I've added a bit more context to the article. I was a childhood friend of Judith’s and remember her story very well.
CagedRage
22:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
She died in 1988 but her voice work appears in 1994 and 1995 films? Is this accurate?
The article states, "On July 25th 1988 Judith was murdered by her father, Jozsef Barsi, along with her mother Maria Barsi." When I first read this sentence, I was unsure as to whether Judith was murdered along with her mother, or if her father, along with her mother, murdered her. Could I (or someone else) change the sentence to read "On July 25th, 1988 Judith was murdered, along with her mother Maria Barsi, by her father, Jozsef Barsi." (Since I'm not a registered user and this is sort of complicated, I thought I should ask permission first...also note the addition of a comma in the date.) 74.69.87.172 02:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I didn't see it listed here, but can someone add that she played a character on Punky Brewster on season 2's episode 19? Her character's name was Anna. I'd do it myself but I don't know how to do it without messing it up. Thanks!
KikiC423 (
talk)
18:39, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
The Filmography lists a 1989 production in which Judith Barsi was credited with voice acting. Maybe the technical details of sound production are simple, I wouldn't know, but shouldn't the circumstances of this posthumous use of her voice be mentioned in the article? - Fsotrain09 01:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering if we could have a bit more info about her headstone? Does anyone know why her grave was unmarked for so long. Certainly the family would have had money to buy a headstone. Also, there is no mention about the reaction to her death by the media and by anyone she ever worked with. Does anyone have any info about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.250.143 ( talk) 19:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Because the only persons mentioned in this article (at the moment) are all surnamed "Barsi", I think it would be preferable to call the child "Judith" rather than "Barsi". Note that the parents are called "Jozsef" and "Maria" throughout. 24.36.35.188 ( talk) 14:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Use wikipedia all the time, new to editing.
This page is seriously lacking in sources. It needs to be sourced or removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.158.15 ( talk) 23:45, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I believe it's customary for a person's nationality to be based on the country the person is born, not on the nationality of the person's parents, even in this case where we are talking about a child. Her parents may have been from Hungary but Judith was born in America and never had Hungarian citizenship. For An Angel ( talk) 18:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
judiths parents are both hungarian and in all other pages such as Michael J. Fox and Ashleigh Aston Moore that they'd either be *place of birth*-american or nationality is *place of birth*, also, they are immigrants and i don't think are legal citizens. so at least put Hungarian-American or better yet Hungarian which it says on her death certificate.
what bout michael j fox and ashleigh aston moore and others who are listed the same way even though their parents were born somewhere else, and technically american isn't a heritage, someone always has roots from another country, so she definitely and unarguably is hungarian or at least Hungarian American, thats like saying someone who is spanish is asian or german just because they were born there, not trying to be racist, just giving an example. *Text removed* ( Boberson33 ( talk) 22:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC))
where does it say that she's american on her death certificate ( Boberson33 ( talk) 00:10, 8 June 2011 (UTC))
do you have a link to this photo? ( Boberson33 ( talk) 21:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC))
As a compromise why don't we say "was an american child actress of Hungarian descent" I've seen it used on other articles so why should this be an exception, I'll edit it now and if anyone objects then they can take it off and say why in the discussion 82.5.224.82 ( talk) 21:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
what about Ashleigh Aston Moore, on her page it say 'Canadian child actress' even though she was born in sweet-ol'-Cali (california), and she only died in Canada, it doesn't say anywhere she became a canadian citizen, and their are plenty of other articles as well that do the same thing, ( Boberson33 ( talk) 21:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)) , and i still don't see why you had to be such a grouchy pants
THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT HER THAT IS AMERICAN, UR FRIGGIN IGNERINTT, YEA GO AHEAD, BLOCKK MEE [[Boberson33}]
♣ You'll just be like the rest of the adminz— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Boberson33 (
talk •
contribs) 22:44, 10 June 2010
I like the portrait and all, and it has a place in this article, but isn't it inappropriate to use a portrait of her as her picture when there are many actual photographs of her available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.208.36.32 ( talk) 21:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
I reverted the recent edits by User:EditorE. Overall, prior to my edits, this article was poorly organized, and my edits were an effort to better organize the information contained within the article while removing details that fell under WP:NOTMEMORIAL.
Barsi did not "star" in Jaws: The Revenge, and her other film contributions were as a voice actress. Trivia about her stature and "[playing] characters younger than her actual age" does not belong in the lead of an article. Also, the drawing of Barsi was not appropriate for the infobox.
Most of this information was retained and relocated to the Judith Barsi#Family history and death section.
Most of the details prior to my reversions were retained and the section was condensed. Information removed included where the child was discovered, and a description of Barsi made by a director.
A quote box containing her father's words is not appropriate for this article. Again, most of the information from these two sections was retained and condensed in the last three paragraphs Judith Barsi#Family history and death.
A 10-year old child actress (whose contributions included little more than appearing as an extra and providing voice work for animated films released after her death) does not have a legacy. Yes, it is very unfortunate a child was murdered. However, this section was a clear violation of WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Fan club activity is not information that should be included, and including a picture of her headstone is not necessary.
AldezD ( talk) 13:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I also removed two external links to fansites per WP:ELNO #11, since neither was written by a recognized authority. AldezD ( talk) 16:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I've asked for a Third Opinion, given the brewing edit war. Paul Austin ( talk) 17:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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Disclaimers: I am responding to a third opinion request made at WP:3O. I have made no previous edits on Judith Barsi and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process (FAQ) is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. Third opinions are not tiebreakers and should not be "counted" in determining whether or not consensus has been reached. My personal standards for issuing third opinions can be viewed here. |
Opinion: But first a procedural note: There was a request also filed at the
Dispute Resolution Noticeboard about this dispute. I work at both 3O and DRN. I closed the DRN request since this 3O request was filed first. The DRN request can be refiled if the dispute continues after this opinion. Opinion:
WP:NOTMEMORIAL only has to do with
notability, as stated in its first sentence,As stated in the lede of the Notability policy, Thus WP:NOTMEMORIAL has only to do with the existence of articles as a whole, and has nothing to do with the content of articles. It is not a standard for the inclusion or exclusion of information. The additions and deletions in this article need to be adjudged on the basis of first, whether or not they are reliably sourced and if they are then, second, on the basis of what weight to give them. Remember that reliable sourcing is an exclusionary, not an inclusionary rule: if something is not reliably sourced it cannot be in an article. If it is reliably sourced, it still may not be important enough to be in the article, that's what weight is about. The parties here should familiarize themselves with those policies and then re-discuss the material in question. |
What's next: Once you've considered this opinion click here to see what happens next.— TransporterMan ( TALK) 19:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC) |
These two sections are barely relevant to the article subject. The information contained within adds no understanding to the article subject, and also does not provide basis for explaining the abuse and murder of the article subject. Instead of edit warring, please provide reasoning and basis for including the information before re-adding/maintaining. AldezD ( talk) 17:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Only information that directly relates to her father's growing mental instability should be included. Her father's flight from his native country, where he lived, his first marriage, other children and their dates of death have no use within this article whatsoever. If József Barsi were notable enough to have his own article, it should be included there, not in here. Her mother's career also has no place in this article.
The details contained within the Family history and death section in the revision as of 18:15 17 June 2013 are more than adequate, and no reasoning has been provided as to why this information has been repeatedly added back in by EditorE. AldezD ( talk) 17:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I removed the reference to DEATH OF A FAMILY - Judith Barsi's story on YouTube, since this reference is a violation of WP:YOUTUBE, copyrighted material posted on an individual user's account. If there is a non-copyvio version, please re-add the reference. Statements previously referenced with this source have been tagged with WP:CN. AldezD ( talk) 12:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Additionally, the reference to Don Bluth All Dogs Go To Heaven is dubious and may not meet WP:V, since it appears to be a blog post and not directly verifiable back to the author. If there are additional references for the same statement, please add them. AldezD ( talk) 12:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
@ AldezD:, Not having information about where the image of Judith comes from is both ridiculous and patently stupid. Since i do not believe you are stupid, please re-familiarise yourself with WP:OWN. Paul Austin ( talk) 11:02, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
@ AldezD:: Burying her in Forest Lawn where a lot of Hollywood celebs are buried, *has* to have been a deliberate and powerful statement. We know that the family back in Hungary did not want anything to do with it and Judith and Maria could just have easily been put in a pauper's grave. Paul Austin ( talk) 01:49, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Please do not add deliberate factual errors ( [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]) or add "little orphan girl" describing a character/change "child" to "little girl" ( [7], [8], [9], [10], [11]) as seen in these linked edits. These edits do not improve the article. AldezD ( talk) 02:03, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
It is stated that " Physical violence continued", but the article refers to no physical violence, jus the threat of violence. This should be corrected. Royalcourtier ( talk) 06:48, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I have removed the parameter in its entirety for now, in an effort to shut down an edit war based entirely on WP:IDLI and/or WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. In particular, we cannot use our own articles as an excuse to spread inaccurate data in violation of policy.
"Gunshot" was left intact per the discussion here. To be clear, per Crime Museum and numerous coroners' websites:
Further discussion should take place here, not in summaries during edit wars. — ATS 🖖 talk 23:22, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion either way, honestly. End this back-and-forth and use what is listed on the death certificate as "cause of death"—"gunshot wound to the head"—and link the appropriate reference. AldezD ( talk) 00:05, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Assume a person with a Wiki article is/was shot to death. Which, if any, should be listed under death_cause =
?
Note: while this is intended for general resolution, an editor has noted that the article subject was killed at age 10. — ATS 🖖 talk 00:03, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I ask User:AldezD to re-familiarise themselves with Wikipedia:Ownership of content. Paul Benjamin Austin ( talk) 17:49, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I am a bitch. However, in this latest case, I am a well-informed bitch. Judith's on-screen credit for Fatal Vision ("Kimberly (age 3)" indicates the character was toddler age. Barsi was six in 1984. It is stated in Jaws IV that Barsi's character, Thea Brody, is five. Jaws IV was filmed in 1987 when Barsi was nine. Paul Benjamin Austin ( talk) 18:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
How about "in Fatal Vision she played "Kimberly" (age 3) when aged 6? Slatersteven ( talk) 18:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I think we need to RFC this, s if one more edit is made *and then reverted by Aldesd) it will be a breach of 3RR and that smacks of baiting. Slatersteven ( talk) 18:58, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
As it reads the page makes little sense (due to removal of information) why does it matter how old she was in Fatal Image unless there is some difference between that and the age of the character she played? Either we explain why this is a relevant fact or removal what is (in effect) a non sequitur. Slatersteven ( talk) 19:15, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
"murder" is a legal term. József Barsi killed himself before he could be tried and convicted of murder. Judith and Maria's deaths were therefore homicides not murders. Paul Benjamin Austin ( talk) 05:02, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Regarding that user's recent addition of the Hanna-Barbera audition... the two series H-B were making in 1988 were Dink, the Little Dinosaur and Paddington Bear. All the evidence and sources we have point towards it being Dink that Judith was scheduled to audition for that day. Paul Benjamin Austin ( talk) 06:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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Change American actress to hungarian-American actress. Her mother and father were both hungarian 31.111.19.148 ( talk) 16:44, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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template. Doesn't appear she's actually Hungarian, although her parents were.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
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16:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)