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Translating from es:Conspiración Judeo-Masónico-Comunista-Internacional. Any help welcome ---- Fernando Estel ☆ · 星 (Talk: here- commons- es) 11:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Just curious, do you know off hand which wikipolicy allows you to write:
I assume you have at least one or two wp:reliable sources for each alternate use? Just wondering. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 02:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
The link http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/5374_13.htm you have provided is hearsay as it doesn't prove where exactly such article exists. Please try to show the proof itself. I tried to google http://www.pravda.ru but got no relevant results.
The same goes with http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html, where Max-Who-Weber tells something about private opinion of one scandalous person. That's not a proof also.
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2007/belarus.html -- Republic of Belarus is independent from Russia since 1991, not sure why its problem attribute to Russia. Also Klimov is U.S.citizen.
The page http://www.nationalka.ru/2006-3-5-93-95-/v.v.-kozhinov-tsarj-iudeyskiy.html doesn't mention conspiracy or blood at all. Why have you put it here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Volodymir k ( talk • contribs) 15:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not so sure if this article does a good enough job in explaining how masons specifically are tied into all of this. It seems more like just flat-out jewish conspiracy theories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.62.189 ( talk) 19:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
To me, some of this has frightening similarities with the line pushed by the Alex Jones nuts, - the global Communist-Zionist-Bankers-Liberal-Illuminati-NWO-Masons-Mexican Immigrants-Environmentalist-UN conspiracy-Vaccins-etc-etc to kill our grandmas and take away our freedom and enslave us to the NWO etc. Or more moderately the Rush Limbaugh line which sticks to the Communist-UN-Bankers-Liberal-Environmentalist conspiracy to take away all that we work for and kill our grandmas. It would be of interest if there is any source talking about the current right-wing conspiracy theorizing rage movement in the United States and the similar kind of rhetoric that was used by Franco and the Nazis and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.247.85.103 ( talk) 05:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
This article gives almost no information about the actual theory, and instead just seems like a long effort to discredit and mock the anyone who considers or considered it, and tries its very best to conflate it with "anti-semitism" (which presumably means anti-jewish, even those jews and semites are not identical terms). Poor article.-- 82.43.47.6 ( talk) 23:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the laugh. This article is so funny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.226.104.225 ( talk) 22:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
This is worth the square root of bugger all as reference, it's a poorly constructed parody piece that needs a big flashing ORIGINAL RESEARCH sign at the top if not outright deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.253.102 ( talk) 20:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the sentence that said that many Royalists were Freemasons, among them the Count of Artois, later King Charles X. The reason I removed it is because the source does not say many Royalists were Freemasons. To the contrary, it says that it was "remarkable" that Artois became a Freemason because of his conservatism, noting masonry's radical reputation. It also says, on the following page, that "Artois was not the only reactionary Freemason", also mentioning de Maistre - the clear implication being that conservatives and royalists were not likely to be Freemasons. I also think the sentence is of dubious relation to the subject. It doesn't really deal with the issue of the conspiracy theory. Mamalujo ( talk) 20:05, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
I've never seen so much rubbish on Wikipedia. Hardly any of the sources are reliable and the whole piece seems a fabricated work intended to push some silly agenda. Vexorg ( talk) 03:01, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
What about the guidelines regarding reliable sources? Vexorg ( talk) 06:13, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
This is not a reliable source. Vexorg ( talk) 02:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
As I've not been associated with this article before I thought I'd try to make some radical changes before I get bogged down in RS arguments. The issues I think that the old article had was:
JASpencer ( talk) 07:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I propose the deletion of the section on the Origins in the French Revolution. There are sources linking this to masons. But the only source linking it to a combination of Jews and masons merely says that "in 1806, Barruel circulated a forged letter, probably sent to him by members of the state police opposed to Napoleon Bonaparte's liberal policy toward the Jews, calling attention to the alleged part of the Jews in the conspiracy he had earlier attributed to the Masons." (Source: Commentary on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion by Dr. Daniel Keren.) The source does not state why Barruel circulated the letter - maybe he agree with it, maybe he circulated it to show the kind of insane rubbish that people sent him - we do not know.
Unless people can provide something better than this, this section is best deleted, along with the unsourced sentence in the introduction that summarises it.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 11:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I propose the deletion of the section on Francoist Spain. The section has no sources to back up the claim that General Franco and his government believed in a Judeo-Masonic conspiracy. It claims that the Franco regime was against freemasons. That is not enough to establish relevance to this article.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 11:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Instead of dismissing everything as conspiracy, can someone explain why the Star of David is used on Masonic buildings, or sometimes in conjunction with the Masonic compass? There must be a good explanation for this. Examples:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36488502@N03/8017667719/ http://www.giftshop.uk.com/masonic-star-of-david/masonic-star-of-david-pocket-watch.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.184.134 ( talk) 19:51, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
The real term should be "Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism". That is the term used by Fr. Coughlin and others. It is in Catholic texts. Masonry and Bolshevism or International Socialism have the same goals "To build a One World". That is the goal of both. That is why the adjective "international" is in front of the term "socialism" for. Bolshevism is Jewish ideology and Masonry was instigated by the Jews. Scottish Rite Masonry has many references from the Kabbala. One World is a necessary ingredient for the Messianic Age to occur. In order for the Jews to have their Messiah, they must have the Messianic Age. Here is a talk by an orthodox Rabbi: The Messiah It means that World Peace has to be established, and for the supposedly Unity of Man to be restored. And so it is up to the Jews to create this "Messianic Age".
Masonry and Communism/Marxism/International Socialism/Bolshevism, are about establishing this World Peace and Unity of Man. This is why it is a conspiracy. The Unity of Man is an evil. The Tower of Babel. Later I will gather and post the pertinent links for the people creating this article. But the real term is "Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism" for both Masonry and Communism had Jewish origins or influence and both accomplish for the Jews their goal of a One World and World Peace. WHEELER ( talk) 16:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
"Anti-Semitism is widespread within Britain’s Muslim community. Polls have shown that 46 percent of British Muslims think that the Jewish community is “in league with Freemasons to control the media and politics.”" Britain’s Anti-Semitic Turn"
This text is sourced to FrontPage Magazine which is not a reliable source, and is know for an "anti-islamist" POV. It does not even say what polls they are referring to. We need a reliable secondary source to comment on polls. What is the likelihood that 46% of British Muslims have even heard of freemasons?
Therefore I will remove the edit.
TFD ( talk) 22:50, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Surely this is a highly relevant source. A hugely influential mainstream politician claiming elements within Judaism were behind the French Revolution. And he never retracted it. I would suggest reference to this belongs in the lead. 46.233.116.225 ( talk) 13:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Churchill clearly states his source as Nesta Helen Webster, who was an anti-semitic nutter. Any questions? Fiddlersmouth ( talk) 23:16, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
The material is irrelevant and incorrect. Please explain why it needs to be in the article, and "because Albert Pike said it" doesn't count. Pike speaks for himself only, no one else. MSJapan ( talk) 07:02, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
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There's a mistake in the legend of the first picture, from the Augustin-Joseph Jacquet's book, it's not an "Aryan" it's a Gaul. The character has the symbolic equipment, typical of Gauls, in representations. The book should be quoted "in a book" is not a reference. It's not encyclopedic, sources must be mentioned, not vague "a book". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.91.51.235 ( talk) 07:56, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Reading through this article, I feel it should be deleted. It violates NPOV and just tries to mock the very idea of this theory. The fact that this type of unencyclopedic nonsense was able to make it thus far may be an indictment on calling the subject matter a conspiracy. TimothyforGod ( talk) 21:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
The description of the Caran Dache.gif could be improved: it describes a banker, a Freemason and a Jew sitting on the peasant's shoulders, but the banker and the Jew are obviously both the same person, the one on top. The bottom guy, with the striped trousers, may be the military. The source is not accessible to me. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 06:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Translating from es:Conspiración Judeo-Masónico-Comunista-Internacional. Any help welcome ---- Fernando Estel ☆ · 星 (Talk: here- commons- es) 11:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Just curious, do you know off hand which wikipolicy allows you to write:
I assume you have at least one or two wp:reliable sources for each alternate use? Just wondering. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 02:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
The link http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/5374_13.htm you have provided is hearsay as it doesn't prove where exactly such article exists. Please try to show the proof itself. I tried to google http://www.pravda.ru but got no relevant results.
The same goes with http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html, where Max-Who-Weber tells something about private opinion of one scandalous person. That's not a proof also.
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2007/belarus.html -- Republic of Belarus is independent from Russia since 1991, not sure why its problem attribute to Russia. Also Klimov is U.S.citizen.
The page http://www.nationalka.ru/2006-3-5-93-95-/v.v.-kozhinov-tsarj-iudeyskiy.html doesn't mention conspiracy or blood at all. Why have you put it here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Volodymir k ( talk • contribs) 15:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not so sure if this article does a good enough job in explaining how masons specifically are tied into all of this. It seems more like just flat-out jewish conspiracy theories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.62.189 ( talk) 19:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
To me, some of this has frightening similarities with the line pushed by the Alex Jones nuts, - the global Communist-Zionist-Bankers-Liberal-Illuminati-NWO-Masons-Mexican Immigrants-Environmentalist-UN conspiracy-Vaccins-etc-etc to kill our grandmas and take away our freedom and enslave us to the NWO etc. Or more moderately the Rush Limbaugh line which sticks to the Communist-UN-Bankers-Liberal-Environmentalist conspiracy to take away all that we work for and kill our grandmas. It would be of interest if there is any source talking about the current right-wing conspiracy theorizing rage movement in the United States and the similar kind of rhetoric that was used by Franco and the Nazis and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.247.85.103 ( talk) 05:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
This article gives almost no information about the actual theory, and instead just seems like a long effort to discredit and mock the anyone who considers or considered it, and tries its very best to conflate it with "anti-semitism" (which presumably means anti-jewish, even those jews and semites are not identical terms). Poor article.-- 82.43.47.6 ( talk) 23:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the laugh. This article is so funny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.226.104.225 ( talk) 22:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
This is worth the square root of bugger all as reference, it's a poorly constructed parody piece that needs a big flashing ORIGINAL RESEARCH sign at the top if not outright deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.253.102 ( talk) 20:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the sentence that said that many Royalists were Freemasons, among them the Count of Artois, later King Charles X. The reason I removed it is because the source does not say many Royalists were Freemasons. To the contrary, it says that it was "remarkable" that Artois became a Freemason because of his conservatism, noting masonry's radical reputation. It also says, on the following page, that "Artois was not the only reactionary Freemason", also mentioning de Maistre - the clear implication being that conservatives and royalists were not likely to be Freemasons. I also think the sentence is of dubious relation to the subject. It doesn't really deal with the issue of the conspiracy theory. Mamalujo ( talk) 20:05, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
I've never seen so much rubbish on Wikipedia. Hardly any of the sources are reliable and the whole piece seems a fabricated work intended to push some silly agenda. Vexorg ( talk) 03:01, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
What about the guidelines regarding reliable sources? Vexorg ( talk) 06:13, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
This is not a reliable source. Vexorg ( talk) 02:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
As I've not been associated with this article before I thought I'd try to make some radical changes before I get bogged down in RS arguments. The issues I think that the old article had was:
JASpencer ( talk) 07:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I propose the deletion of the section on the Origins in the French Revolution. There are sources linking this to masons. But the only source linking it to a combination of Jews and masons merely says that "in 1806, Barruel circulated a forged letter, probably sent to him by members of the state police opposed to Napoleon Bonaparte's liberal policy toward the Jews, calling attention to the alleged part of the Jews in the conspiracy he had earlier attributed to the Masons." (Source: Commentary on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion by Dr. Daniel Keren.) The source does not state why Barruel circulated the letter - maybe he agree with it, maybe he circulated it to show the kind of insane rubbish that people sent him - we do not know.
Unless people can provide something better than this, this section is best deleted, along with the unsourced sentence in the introduction that summarises it.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 11:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I propose the deletion of the section on Francoist Spain. The section has no sources to back up the claim that General Franco and his government believed in a Judeo-Masonic conspiracy. It claims that the Franco regime was against freemasons. That is not enough to establish relevance to this article.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 11:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Instead of dismissing everything as conspiracy, can someone explain why the Star of David is used on Masonic buildings, or sometimes in conjunction with the Masonic compass? There must be a good explanation for this. Examples:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36488502@N03/8017667719/ http://www.giftshop.uk.com/masonic-star-of-david/masonic-star-of-david-pocket-watch.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.184.134 ( talk) 19:51, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
The real term should be "Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism". That is the term used by Fr. Coughlin and others. It is in Catholic texts. Masonry and Bolshevism or International Socialism have the same goals "To build a One World". That is the goal of both. That is why the adjective "international" is in front of the term "socialism" for. Bolshevism is Jewish ideology and Masonry was instigated by the Jews. Scottish Rite Masonry has many references from the Kabbala. One World is a necessary ingredient for the Messianic Age to occur. In order for the Jews to have their Messiah, they must have the Messianic Age. Here is a talk by an orthodox Rabbi: The Messiah It means that World Peace has to be established, and for the supposedly Unity of Man to be restored. And so it is up to the Jews to create this "Messianic Age".
Masonry and Communism/Marxism/International Socialism/Bolshevism, are about establishing this World Peace and Unity of Man. This is why it is a conspiracy. The Unity of Man is an evil. The Tower of Babel. Later I will gather and post the pertinent links for the people creating this article. But the real term is "Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism" for both Masonry and Communism had Jewish origins or influence and both accomplish for the Jews their goal of a One World and World Peace. WHEELER ( talk) 16:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
"Anti-Semitism is widespread within Britain’s Muslim community. Polls have shown that 46 percent of British Muslims think that the Jewish community is “in league with Freemasons to control the media and politics.”" Britain’s Anti-Semitic Turn"
This text is sourced to FrontPage Magazine which is not a reliable source, and is know for an "anti-islamist" POV. It does not even say what polls they are referring to. We need a reliable secondary source to comment on polls. What is the likelihood that 46% of British Muslims have even heard of freemasons?
Therefore I will remove the edit.
TFD ( talk) 22:50, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Surely this is a highly relevant source. A hugely influential mainstream politician claiming elements within Judaism were behind the French Revolution. And he never retracted it. I would suggest reference to this belongs in the lead. 46.233.116.225 ( talk) 13:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Churchill clearly states his source as Nesta Helen Webster, who was an anti-semitic nutter. Any questions? Fiddlersmouth ( talk) 23:16, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
The material is irrelevant and incorrect. Please explain why it needs to be in the article, and "because Albert Pike said it" doesn't count. Pike speaks for himself only, no one else. MSJapan ( talk) 07:02, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
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There's a mistake in the legend of the first picture, from the Augustin-Joseph Jacquet's book, it's not an "Aryan" it's a Gaul. The character has the symbolic equipment, typical of Gauls, in representations. The book should be quoted "in a book" is not a reference. It's not encyclopedic, sources must be mentioned, not vague "a book". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.91.51.235 ( talk) 07:56, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Reading through this article, I feel it should be deleted. It violates NPOV and just tries to mock the very idea of this theory. The fact that this type of unencyclopedic nonsense was able to make it thus far may be an indictment on calling the subject matter a conspiracy. TimothyforGod ( talk) 21:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
The description of the Caran Dache.gif could be improved: it describes a banker, a Freemason and a Jew sitting on the peasant's shoulders, but the banker and the Jew are obviously both the same person, the one on top. The bottom guy, with the striped trousers, may be the military. The source is not accessible to me. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 06:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)