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This article is ridiculously lovely, i love the images... I know it took a lot of work to put together, but it looks a lot more like a gallery than an encyclopaedic article. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
If you don't mind me butting in, I'd like to expand on Diliff's above concerns a little bit and also give a suggestion for how to better structure the article. In terms of accessibility, one of the problems with the article at the moment is its lack of exposited text. A lot of the content of the article is relying on very short image captions. Although it's still informative, it isn't in a readable, look-up-able, or accessible format for the information. After your introduction, there is very little actual information—a lot in pictures, but not a lot in words. I'll point you to WP:IG so you can read it for yourself, but the guidance has some good tips on how to use galleries, including showcasing 1750-1795 in fashion as an example of multiple galleries well used. My idea for the article though, is something along the lines of these three lists: List of longest suspension bridge spans, List of the largest arch bridges, and List of largest cable-stayed bridges. This could work very well for with the images and would be much more user-friendly than the current format. If you use a sortable wikitable, then readers will be able to sort by the plaque name, the name of the road it's on, the date it was installed (if relevant?), the birth and death dates of the person the plaque is commemorating, and you can add other information that is on the plaque itself, like what the listed "deed" is. I notice that there are also other types of commemoration here, like statues, which could be given a separate table after the main "plaque" table. It's also somewhat confusing, but I've finally worked out that you have structured this (I think!) to show what one would come across if they were to walk the street . . . ie, Mortlock Library, Plaques: Holden - Jolly, and then Museum of Natural History. That's probably a bit too much detail! If you really want this information in the article, the best way I can think of to present it is to create a map of the street, with the buildings labelled and the plaques pointed to. You could number each plaque and statue, and then number their place on the map. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but at the moment the information is not well-presented. A screen reader, for example, would not be able to handle this article, as it would read the buildings as new section headings, followed by another section heading, a few names from image captions, and then another section heading, and so on. It's somewhat contrary to the encyclopaedia's general goals, which is to communicate information, whether images are present or not. Ideally, you should be able to remove the images in any given article and still have an understanding of the subject. Anyway, I hope that's at least a little helpful! Maedin\ talk 17:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I just missed out on adding a "strong keep" for the Category:Jubilee 150 Walkway before the CfD discussion was closed as a "delete". The CfD discussion had been initiated by User:RevelationDirect, who assigned the categories Category:Halls of fame in Australia (which I've since removed, because all the other entries in this category are only about sports codes), and Category:Walks of fame. I'm also uneasy about this one, since the latter category is for "Walks of Fame or Walks of Stars or Avenues of Stars, locations where persons or groups are recognized for excellence or success in their career". As this seems to imply that the emphasis is on the individual's "fame" in the sense of U.S.-style notions of individualistic "success", or cults of "celebrity", it doesn't seem entirely appropriate for a list which includes Australia's only Catholic saint, or for those awarded the Victoria Cross, in some cases posthumously, as if these were somehow "career aspirations". In my opinion, given the complexity of the J150W article (which still needs a lot of improvement), it was useful to have the "Category:Jubilee 150 Walkway" as a way for people to find articles on some of those who have made many of the most significant cultural and social contributions to the state.
I don't share RevelationDirect's view (ratherly overly optimistic, in my opinion!) that "If a person is interested in finding these biography articles, the existing framework of people from South Australia is the best way to find them because it breaks them down by politicians, sportspeople, scientists, etc. in a way that logically groups them and aids navigation." (Just try to find articles on these J150W names using the Category:People from South Australia tree! )
One way to remedy this might be to create a navbar for the list of names on the plaques of the J150W, but this could be a messier solution if added to articles (such as Don Bradman), which already have a lot of navbars or navboxes. Bahudhara ( talk) 12:35, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
I like how this article is kind of like a walking tour that makes you feel like you are there. I also understand some of the comments above that all the photographs make it look like a photo gallery. I was looking at List of tallest buildings in Sydney and think that a nicer looking list might work here:
Name | Image | Birth | Death | Plaque | Accomplishment | Inducted | Sponsor | Location |
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Naturalist and author | 1986 | Angas Family | Start of the Walkway |
Price, Thomas |
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1852 | 1909 |
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First Labor Premier 1905-1909 | 1986 | Australian Labor Party SA Branch | Kintore Avenue |
Since there have been several conversations above, I wanted to seek input before I made major changes. @ Bahudhara, YBG, Pdfpdf, Diliff, and Julia W:
Thanks for your help improving the article RevelationDirect ( talk) 02:50, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
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This article is ridiculously lovely, i love the images... I know it took a lot of work to put together, but it looks a lot more like a gallery than an encyclopaedic article. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
If you don't mind me butting in, I'd like to expand on Diliff's above concerns a little bit and also give a suggestion for how to better structure the article. In terms of accessibility, one of the problems with the article at the moment is its lack of exposited text. A lot of the content of the article is relying on very short image captions. Although it's still informative, it isn't in a readable, look-up-able, or accessible format for the information. After your introduction, there is very little actual information—a lot in pictures, but not a lot in words. I'll point you to WP:IG so you can read it for yourself, but the guidance has some good tips on how to use galleries, including showcasing 1750-1795 in fashion as an example of multiple galleries well used. My idea for the article though, is something along the lines of these three lists: List of longest suspension bridge spans, List of the largest arch bridges, and List of largest cable-stayed bridges. This could work very well for with the images and would be much more user-friendly than the current format. If you use a sortable wikitable, then readers will be able to sort by the plaque name, the name of the road it's on, the date it was installed (if relevant?), the birth and death dates of the person the plaque is commemorating, and you can add other information that is on the plaque itself, like what the listed "deed" is. I notice that there are also other types of commemoration here, like statues, which could be given a separate table after the main "plaque" table. It's also somewhat confusing, but I've finally worked out that you have structured this (I think!) to show what one would come across if they were to walk the street . . . ie, Mortlock Library, Plaques: Holden - Jolly, and then Museum of Natural History. That's probably a bit too much detail! If you really want this information in the article, the best way I can think of to present it is to create a map of the street, with the buildings labelled and the plaques pointed to. You could number each plaque and statue, and then number their place on the map. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but at the moment the information is not well-presented. A screen reader, for example, would not be able to handle this article, as it would read the buildings as new section headings, followed by another section heading, a few names from image captions, and then another section heading, and so on. It's somewhat contrary to the encyclopaedia's general goals, which is to communicate information, whether images are present or not. Ideally, you should be able to remove the images in any given article and still have an understanding of the subject. Anyway, I hope that's at least a little helpful! Maedin\ talk 17:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I just missed out on adding a "strong keep" for the Category:Jubilee 150 Walkway before the CfD discussion was closed as a "delete". The CfD discussion had been initiated by User:RevelationDirect, who assigned the categories Category:Halls of fame in Australia (which I've since removed, because all the other entries in this category are only about sports codes), and Category:Walks of fame. I'm also uneasy about this one, since the latter category is for "Walks of Fame or Walks of Stars or Avenues of Stars, locations where persons or groups are recognized for excellence or success in their career". As this seems to imply that the emphasis is on the individual's "fame" in the sense of U.S.-style notions of individualistic "success", or cults of "celebrity", it doesn't seem entirely appropriate for a list which includes Australia's only Catholic saint, or for those awarded the Victoria Cross, in some cases posthumously, as if these were somehow "career aspirations". In my opinion, given the complexity of the J150W article (which still needs a lot of improvement), it was useful to have the "Category:Jubilee 150 Walkway" as a way for people to find articles on some of those who have made many of the most significant cultural and social contributions to the state.
I don't share RevelationDirect's view (ratherly overly optimistic, in my opinion!) that "If a person is interested in finding these biography articles, the existing framework of people from South Australia is the best way to find them because it breaks them down by politicians, sportspeople, scientists, etc. in a way that logically groups them and aids navigation." (Just try to find articles on these J150W names using the Category:People from South Australia tree! )
One way to remedy this might be to create a navbar for the list of names on the plaques of the J150W, but this could be a messier solution if added to articles (such as Don Bradman), which already have a lot of navbars or navboxes. Bahudhara ( talk) 12:35, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
I like how this article is kind of like a walking tour that makes you feel like you are there. I also understand some of the comments above that all the photographs make it look like a photo gallery. I was looking at List of tallest buildings in Sydney and think that a nicer looking list might work here:
Name | Image | Birth | Death | Plaque | Accomplishment | Inducted | Sponsor | Location |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Angas, George French |
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1822 | 1886 |
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Naturalist and author | 1986 | Angas Family | Start of the Walkway |
Price, Thomas |
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1852 | 1909 |
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First Labor Premier 1905-1909 | 1986 | Australian Labor Party SA Branch | Kintore Avenue |
Since there have been several conversations above, I wanted to seek input before I made major changes. @ Bahudhara, YBG, Pdfpdf, Diliff, and Julia W:
Thanks for your help improving the article RevelationDirect ( talk) 02:50, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
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