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None of the references for this page check out. They all lead to general sites and some are just advertisement. — Preceding
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This talk page was edited because the previous comment was that no references check out and are either advertisements or general sites. For this reason, I added Martin Lings book and the reference to it is from
http://www.icorlando.org/pdfs/muhammad_martin_Lings.pdf Which is the Islamic Center of Orlando, Jama Masjid — Preceding
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I've tried to improve the referencing; but some of the cited sources are beyond redemption. The "hadith of two weighty things" was linked to a live document but nowhere did that document refer to Jubayr ibn Mut'im. (Perhaps someone confused him with Jubayr ibn Abdullah, a companion from Medina who is mentioned therein.) This Shia-friendly hadith does appear in the Sunni canon, but Jubayr ibn Mut'im is not included in any version of its isnad. Indeed, one of his hadiths, which I've cited in my examples, looks like a pretty blatant piece of Sunni propaganda.
Lings is a valid academic source and the reference to two chapters in his book while cumbersome is valid. It is relevant because it refers to the Islamic Calendar dating. It fixes a date for Marriage and engagements according to the Islamic calendar and ages at those dates. I note also someone changed the opening from saying that he became a muslim "later" Ironically you added in that he later tried to assinate Mohammad . So was he a muslim when he did this?
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No, Jubayr was among the would-be assassins who tried to kill Muhammad in 622 on the eve of the Hijra. He was not a Muslim then. He became a Muslim in the period between Hudaybiya and the conquest (628-630).
Lings is not taken seriously by modern academics, due to his naive and careless use of his source material, his politically-motivated omissions and his complete failure to address the "Is the whole sirat body forged?" issues. However, he is a great deal better than the dead links and irrelevant general sites that were there previously, so I do not propose to remove him.
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None of the references for this page check out. They all lead to general sites and some are just advertisement. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Populous (
talk •
contribs) 01:02, March 9, 2009 (UTC) (
refactored)
This talk page was edited because the previous comment was that no references check out and are either advertisements or general sites. For this reason, I added Martin Lings book and the reference to it is from
http://www.icorlando.org/pdfs/muhammad_martin_Lings.pdf Which is the Islamic Center of Orlando, Jama Masjid — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Isaw (
talk •
contribs) 10:10, December 9, 2017 (UTC) (
refactored)
I've tried to improve the referencing; but some of the cited sources are beyond redemption. The "hadith of two weighty things" was linked to a live document but nowhere did that document refer to Jubayr ibn Mut'im. (Perhaps someone confused him with Jubayr ibn Abdullah, a companion from Medina who is mentioned therein.) This Shia-friendly hadith does appear in the Sunni canon, but Jubayr ibn Mut'im is not included in any version of its isnad. Indeed, one of his hadiths, which I've cited in my examples, looks like a pretty blatant piece of Sunni propaganda.
Lings is a valid academic source and the reference to two chapters in his book while cumbersome is valid. It is relevant because it refers to the Islamic Calendar dating. It fixes a date for Marriage and engagements according to the Islamic calendar and ages at those dates. I note also someone changed the opening from saying that he became a muslim "later" Ironically you added in that he later tried to assinate Mohammad . So was he a muslim when he did this?
Isaw (
talk)
11:16, 24 August 2020 (UTC)reply
No, Jubayr was among the would-be assassins who tried to kill Muhammad in 622 on the eve of the Hijra. He was not a Muslim then. He became a Muslim in the period between Hudaybiya and the conquest (628-630).
Lings is not taken seriously by modern academics, due to his naive and careless use of his source material, his politically-motivated omissions and his complete failure to address the "Is the whole sirat body forged?" issues. However, he is a great deal better than the dead links and irrelevant general sites that were there previously, so I do not propose to remove him.
Petra MacDonald (
talk)
07:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)reply