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I removed the phrase "guest appearances" at the end of the article. Characters don't make guest appearances; actors do.
Now, i don't know how reliable the whole speech on Buffy going to a mental Asylum was. It doesn't match Joyces' reaction in Becoming Part 1 or Bad Eggs and i won't accept "she forgot" as an answer.
In Buffy's quasi-dream in " The Weight of the World", we see Joyce's grave-stone with the dates 1958–2001. This isn't reality but I think we can take Buffy, even in her catatonia, as a reliable source on this. Is Joyce's year of birth worth mentioning here? — Tamfang ( talk) 08:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
In the Season 3 episode The Wish, where it shows Sunnydale if Buffy never came, The Master tries feeding on this one girl and then offers her to Xander and Willow. I think the woman is Joyce, can anyone confirm or deny? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.181.210 ( talk) 17:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
I propose that
Joyce Summers be merged into
List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. I think that the content in the Joyce Summers article can easily be explained in the context of List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters, and the subject of the article, although there are third party sources available (like at
[1]), may not be notable enough for her own article as there is not enough information from
reliable sources.
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 23:20, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
This is a note to announce that I am rewriting this article with full sources and citations. -- Moni3 ( talk) 20:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
I would like to use the word "intuitively" in that sentence about how Joyce is compensating for not having instinctively understood that something was going on with Buffy prior to be told straight out. As a mother myself, I would certainly feel that I had failed in what I would call an intuitive understanding--as my daughter's mom, I should know that something is going on, even if I can't tell exactly what. Is this the point the source is making? Can you speak to that, Moni? In any case, when you changed my wording you left out the word "not" and said Joyce was compensating for understanding Buffy, instead of the opposite. And thank you for going over what I did--I often do this work late at night when everything else is done for the day, and I'm usually tired. I think this looks pretty darn good.-- TEHodson 20:05, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I get what you're saying, but I am going to make one argument for keeping the word "intuitively" in, because I understand the essay to be saying that the source of Joyce's overcompensation is her failure to grasp, as a mother is "supposed to" (simply by virtue of being her mother) that something strange is going on with her kid. I understand that feeling myself, having been the mother of a teen, so that's probably why I interpret it the way I do. I would like to keep it in. I'm not going to fight about it, but I am making this one request to let it stand.
I'm very glad you're warm, dry, fed, and safe! What a mess back there.-- TEHodson 23:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Just a reminder. If facts about how many episodes Joyce was in in the 4th season or her appearances following "The Body" need to be corrected, please don't put text in front of the existing citations. It misleads readers. If you correct something, like adding the details of an episode, please do it after the existing citations. I can find the right cites for episodes and include them later. It's much more difficult to try to parse which part of the sentence belongs to which citation after the edits are made. Thanks. -- Moni3 ( talk) 21:13, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Moni, does nobody discuss the episode Ted? There are lots of interesting things about Joyce and her relationship with Buffy, her vulnerability to a man who seems "perfect," that are brought out in that ep. Is there nothing in any of the sources about it? Her acceptance of the fact that he turns out to be a robot is worthy of notice, I should think (it's not as though robot people are thick on the ground), not to mention that at one point it appears that her daughter has killed him. I'd have expected at least some examination of that whole incident.-- TEHodson 21:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm watching that episode, and I don't think Joyce is the First in Buffy's dreams--she's just herself. The First is with Spike at the same time, as Drusilla.-- TEHodson 20:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
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I removed the phrase "guest appearances" at the end of the article. Characters don't make guest appearances; actors do.
Now, i don't know how reliable the whole speech on Buffy going to a mental Asylum was. It doesn't match Joyces' reaction in Becoming Part 1 or Bad Eggs and i won't accept "she forgot" as an answer.
In Buffy's quasi-dream in " The Weight of the World", we see Joyce's grave-stone with the dates 1958–2001. This isn't reality but I think we can take Buffy, even in her catatonia, as a reliable source on this. Is Joyce's year of birth worth mentioning here? — Tamfang ( talk) 08:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
In the Season 3 episode The Wish, where it shows Sunnydale if Buffy never came, The Master tries feeding on this one girl and then offers her to Xander and Willow. I think the woman is Joyce, can anyone confirm or deny? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.181.210 ( talk) 17:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
I propose that
Joyce Summers be merged into
List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. I think that the content in the Joyce Summers article can easily be explained in the context of List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters, and the subject of the article, although there are third party sources available (like at
[1]), may not be notable enough for her own article as there is not enough information from
reliable sources.
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 23:20, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
This is a note to announce that I am rewriting this article with full sources and citations. -- Moni3 ( talk) 20:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
I would like to use the word "intuitively" in that sentence about how Joyce is compensating for not having instinctively understood that something was going on with Buffy prior to be told straight out. As a mother myself, I would certainly feel that I had failed in what I would call an intuitive understanding--as my daughter's mom, I should know that something is going on, even if I can't tell exactly what. Is this the point the source is making? Can you speak to that, Moni? In any case, when you changed my wording you left out the word "not" and said Joyce was compensating for understanding Buffy, instead of the opposite. And thank you for going over what I did--I often do this work late at night when everything else is done for the day, and I'm usually tired. I think this looks pretty darn good.-- TEHodson 20:05, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I get what you're saying, but I am going to make one argument for keeping the word "intuitively" in, because I understand the essay to be saying that the source of Joyce's overcompensation is her failure to grasp, as a mother is "supposed to" (simply by virtue of being her mother) that something strange is going on with her kid. I understand that feeling myself, having been the mother of a teen, so that's probably why I interpret it the way I do. I would like to keep it in. I'm not going to fight about it, but I am making this one request to let it stand.
I'm very glad you're warm, dry, fed, and safe! What a mess back there.-- TEHodson 23:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Just a reminder. If facts about how many episodes Joyce was in in the 4th season or her appearances following "The Body" need to be corrected, please don't put text in front of the existing citations. It misleads readers. If you correct something, like adding the details of an episode, please do it after the existing citations. I can find the right cites for episodes and include them later. It's much more difficult to try to parse which part of the sentence belongs to which citation after the edits are made. Thanks. -- Moni3 ( talk) 21:13, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Moni, does nobody discuss the episode Ted? There are lots of interesting things about Joyce and her relationship with Buffy, her vulnerability to a man who seems "perfect," that are brought out in that ep. Is there nothing in any of the sources about it? Her acceptance of the fact that he turns out to be a robot is worthy of notice, I should think (it's not as though robot people are thick on the ground), not to mention that at one point it appears that her daughter has killed him. I'd have expected at least some examination of that whole incident.-- TEHodson 21:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm watching that episode, and I don't think Joyce is the First in Buffy's dreams--she's just herself. The First is with Spike at the same time, as Drusilla.-- TEHodson 20:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)