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I think it might be appropriate to divorce the mariah Carey piece of this article from the main version, giving it its own page.
I believe Mariah's version should get its own page as it was commercially released as a single in 1994, and was very successful and charted as well. — Preceding
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05:57, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
The information I've collected on this song suggests this article has at least two factual errors. First, Isaac Watts wrote the words (based on Bible text), not Lowell Mason. Second, Lowell Mason contributed the music, which may have been an arrangement of a Handel work, but this last I have been unable to confirm (nor find a specific reference to what work this is supposedly an arrangement of), and my sources disagree vehemently on the subject. Clearly, some additional research needs to be done here. If this is an arrangement of Handel, someone should be able to state which work it is, so that it can be verified. -- Jeff Q 00:24, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
Should we add the parody by Nelson Muntz as featured on the Simpsons? It went like this: Joy to the world, the teacher's dead, We barbecued her head! What happened to her body? We flushed it down the potty, And round and round it goes, And round and round it goes. (see http://hem.passagen.se/muntz/sounds.htm) Estrellador* 11:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't want to refer this article for clean up, but it has quite a few problems. The external link to sheet music appears to be nothing short of an advertisement. Do we really need an entire section about Mariah Carey's version of the song in the song's article. The information seems very excessive - you'd think she popularized the song. Plus, there appears to be some factually incorrect information.
I'm going to remove the link at the bottom as it just seems patently in the wrong, but the rest I don't really know what to do with, other than to point out that it clearly seems to be inappropriate in its current state. 68.97.36.194 08:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe the Mariah Carey single should be split back into its own page:
-- RBBrittain 16:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how the whole Wiki thing works, but I found this page looking up the words to a poem, and boy - what a goldmine! Kisses to all of you! J.
What about the Hoyt Axton version of "Joy to the World" as performed by Three Dog Night on their album Naturally? Is it a parody or an original Gospel song? This article should include the original Gospel lyrics of the song if they exist. And maybe H. Axton's lyrics, also. Jimb101 06:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
But see New Oxford Book of Carols which disputes the Handel and Lowell Mason authorship. 79.65.42.198 17:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I see no one mentioned that the song is about Christ's second coming, not Christmas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.41.181.94 ( talk) 19:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Joy to the World was originaly writen by Ali Buller —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.245.186.162 ( talk) 15:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
"Joy to the World" is among the few tunes (other than children's songs) that can be played on instruments that can only play one octave, that is, C, D, E, F, G, A, B, and C. " The First Noel" is another. Art LaPella ( talk) 19:20, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
I'd challenge the claim that "Only the second half of Watt's lyrics are used today." If you look at http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/13166/pg13166.html while Watts certainly tried to write a song for every psalm, several have multiple songs. Take Psalm 2, which has two different versions. Also consider Psalm 84, which is divided into several songs that could not be fit to the same tune - different meters and rhyme schemes
The strong division seems to show that the lyrics for the first half of the psalm represents a different song. One could argue that it can be sung to the same tune, but Watts only uses a couple meters, so that's just coincidence.
As such, I think the claim should be removed, per the primary source. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 12:56, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
The line "let earth receive her king" should be "let earth receive Him king" I know a lot of people would say "earth" has a feminine character like "mother earth" and therefore "earth's king" is "her king". This is a common and superficial argument but deeper understanding of the lyrics and the message of the song should be made. The line is better read as "letting earth receive the Lord as its king" or "earth receiving him as king" or "let earth receive Him king". The focus is not on the earth but on the Lord. If we look at the other words in the song, the style of writing is consistent: "let every heart, prepare Him room", "joy to the world, the Lord is come".02:02, 28 November 2016 (UTC) Mario Alba ( talk) Think about it.
@
Maineartists: I don't really care what the block of text is called, but I'd suggest that you use <poem></poem>
to make sure that it formats correctly, ideally without the section breaks. There is more information about this at
Help:Poem. Blocks of verse such as this one are often indented using <blockquote></blockquote>
as well. --
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17:51, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Watts published in 1719; Messiah was written in 1742; Lowell Mason, if he is the composer, was born 1792. It seems pretty obvious that ANTIOCH cannot have always been the only tune, and in fact there are much later publications with different tunes, many scanned and available for inspection at hymnary.org: one of them is the current Presbyterian hymnal with RICHMOND. Sparafucil ( talk) 09:21, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Please do not educate WP readers for a simply edit summary on my part. Disregard yours and my "hashing out" the logistics with what is warranted and necessary in this situation. "Informative" and "without further definition" within the article / section still does not clear up any misunderstanding for what you are trying to accomplish. The point of the first sentence and the section as a whole is regarding Mason / Handel and ANTIOCH, not "other" tunes or it being "usual" or "tune associated" since 1848. The sentence should read: "The origin of the tune, known as ANTIOCH, is unclear" plain and simple; unless you are going to revamp the article to read more in keeping with these: In The Bleak Midwinter and Away in a Manger. But there just is not enough material or content (or need) to warrant an entire section for this article. Thus, no reason to include any defining "usual" or "associated with" in the sentence at all. You have yet to find anything within the article that supports this includion; only original research here on the Talk Page. Maineartists ( talk) 13:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
In The Bleak Midwinter looks exemplary to me, stating clearly that it was first published with Holst's tune and later appeared in Darke's choral setting. Sparafucil ( talk)
The lyrics seem to suggest that this may be referring to the Second Advent, when Jesus returns to earth to reign. He did not reign when he came the first time. Is there any evidence that the creator of this piece intended it to be for Christmas? I know it's widely treated as a Christmas carol but that doesn't dismiss the original intent. Kitabparast ( talk) 18:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
"Joy to the World" | ||||
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Single by Mariah Carey | ||||
from the album Merry Christmas | ||||
B-side |
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Released | 27 November 1995 | |||
Genre | Christmas | |||
Length | 4:20 | |||
Label | Columbia | |||
Songwriter(s) |
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Producer(s) |
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Mariah Carey singles chronology | ||||
|
Mariah Carey co-produced her cover of the song with Walter Afanasieff for her fourth album Merry Christmas. It interpolates Hoyt Axton's rendition of " Joy to the World", a song made famous by Three Dog Night, but augmented the line "Joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea" with "Joy to the people everywhere you see". It was originally released as a promotional single in mid-November 1994 and an EP with commissioned remixes by David Morales was released the following year. [1] The song was later released on 27 November 1995 in Australia as the third single from the album. [2] Eventually, it peaked at number 33 in the aforementioned country.
Several remixes were commissioned for the single, all of them by David Morales. These were made available to radios and record executives on the promotional release in 1994 and to the public in 1995, when the song was released as a commercial single.
In 2016, Carey rerecorded the song and shot a music video that featured James "Big Jim" Wright playing the piano, Carey's background singers and a choir as part of her "Holiday Gifts" digital campaign, where Carey would surprise her fans with new music videos during the weekend before Christmas day.
A new rerecording of the song was featured on 2020's Mariah Carey's Magical Christmas Special and its soundtrack album. [3] The new version of the song, aptly titled "Joy to the World (Magical Christmas Mix)", features a similar arrangement to the 2016 rendition, albeit including instruments from the album version that were removed from the rerecording, such as the slow piano-and-vocals introduction, Christmas bells and a guitar melody.
"Joy to the World" was performed twice in 1994: it was included on the setlist of Carey's benefit concert at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine on 10 December 1994, and was performed via satellite in New York City for TN Argentina on 10 December 1994. It was later performed on BET's Christmas Remembrances Special in December 2001, on the setlist for the second North American leg of Carey's Charmbracelet World Tour, alongside several other Christmas songs such as " All I Want for Christmas Is You", " Silent Night" and " Hark! The Herald Angels Sing", at the 2004 Walt Disney World Christmas Day Parade, on Carey's 2010 Christmas special "Merry Christmas to You" to promote her second Christmas album, and at the annual Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree lighting in 2013. The song was also included on the setlist of Carey's " All I Want for Christmas Is You: A Night of Joy & Festivity" concert residency and tour and on Carey's "Merriest Christmas" Netflix special in 2015.
The single's music video is a live performance of the song by Carey at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine.
The music video for the remix version consists of rare and unreleased personal footage of Carey walking around New York City and Europe wearing several outfits and includes several Christmas themed decorations.
Both videos were made available to the public on the bonus DVD on the 2005 reissue of Carey's Merry Christmas album.
A third music video was shot in 2016 on the set of the movie The Keys of Christmas, where Carey was a main character. The video features James "Big Jim" Wright playing the piano, Carey's background singers and a choir.
Chart (1995) | Peak position |
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Australia ( ARIA) [4] | 33 |
References
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I think it might be appropriate to divorce the mariah Carey piece of this article from the main version, giving it its own page.
I believe Mariah's version should get its own page as it was commercially released as a single in 1994, and was very successful and charted as well. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Jadenpb (
talk •
contribs)
05:57, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
The information I've collected on this song suggests this article has at least two factual errors. First, Isaac Watts wrote the words (based on Bible text), not Lowell Mason. Second, Lowell Mason contributed the music, which may have been an arrangement of a Handel work, but this last I have been unable to confirm (nor find a specific reference to what work this is supposedly an arrangement of), and my sources disagree vehemently on the subject. Clearly, some additional research needs to be done here. If this is an arrangement of Handel, someone should be able to state which work it is, so that it can be verified. -- Jeff Q 00:24, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
Should we add the parody by Nelson Muntz as featured on the Simpsons? It went like this: Joy to the world, the teacher's dead, We barbecued her head! What happened to her body? We flushed it down the potty, And round and round it goes, And round and round it goes. (see http://hem.passagen.se/muntz/sounds.htm) Estrellador* 11:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't want to refer this article for clean up, but it has quite a few problems. The external link to sheet music appears to be nothing short of an advertisement. Do we really need an entire section about Mariah Carey's version of the song in the song's article. The information seems very excessive - you'd think she popularized the song. Plus, there appears to be some factually incorrect information.
I'm going to remove the link at the bottom as it just seems patently in the wrong, but the rest I don't really know what to do with, other than to point out that it clearly seems to be inappropriate in its current state. 68.97.36.194 08:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe the Mariah Carey single should be split back into its own page:
-- RBBrittain 16:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how the whole Wiki thing works, but I found this page looking up the words to a poem, and boy - what a goldmine! Kisses to all of you! J.
What about the Hoyt Axton version of "Joy to the World" as performed by Three Dog Night on their album Naturally? Is it a parody or an original Gospel song? This article should include the original Gospel lyrics of the song if they exist. And maybe H. Axton's lyrics, also. Jimb101 06:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
But see New Oxford Book of Carols which disputes the Handel and Lowell Mason authorship. 79.65.42.198 17:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I see no one mentioned that the song is about Christ's second coming, not Christmas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.41.181.94 ( talk) 19:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Joy to the World was originaly writen by Ali Buller —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.245.186.162 ( talk) 15:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
"Joy to the World" is among the few tunes (other than children's songs) that can be played on instruments that can only play one octave, that is, C, D, E, F, G, A, B, and C. " The First Noel" is another. Art LaPella ( talk) 19:20, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
I'd challenge the claim that "Only the second half of Watt's lyrics are used today." If you look at http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/13166/pg13166.html while Watts certainly tried to write a song for every psalm, several have multiple songs. Take Psalm 2, which has two different versions. Also consider Psalm 84, which is divided into several songs that could not be fit to the same tune - different meters and rhyme schemes
The strong division seems to show that the lyrics for the first half of the psalm represents a different song. One could argue that it can be sung to the same tune, but Watts only uses a couple meters, so that's just coincidence.
As such, I think the claim should be removed, per the primary source. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 12:56, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
The line "let earth receive her king" should be "let earth receive Him king" I know a lot of people would say "earth" has a feminine character like "mother earth" and therefore "earth's king" is "her king". This is a common and superficial argument but deeper understanding of the lyrics and the message of the song should be made. The line is better read as "letting earth receive the Lord as its king" or "earth receiving him as king" or "let earth receive Him king". The focus is not on the earth but on the Lord. If we look at the other words in the song, the style of writing is consistent: "let every heart, prepare Him room", "joy to the world, the Lord is come".02:02, 28 November 2016 (UTC) Mario Alba ( talk) Think about it.
@
Maineartists: I don't really care what the block of text is called, but I'd suggest that you use <poem></poem>
to make sure that it formats correctly, ideally without the section breaks. There is more information about this at
Help:Poem. Blocks of verse such as this one are often indented using <blockquote></blockquote>
as well. --
AntiCompositeNumber (
talk)
17:51, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Watts published in 1719; Messiah was written in 1742; Lowell Mason, if he is the composer, was born 1792. It seems pretty obvious that ANTIOCH cannot have always been the only tune, and in fact there are much later publications with different tunes, many scanned and available for inspection at hymnary.org: one of them is the current Presbyterian hymnal with RICHMOND. Sparafucil ( talk) 09:21, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Please do not educate WP readers for a simply edit summary on my part. Disregard yours and my "hashing out" the logistics with what is warranted and necessary in this situation. "Informative" and "without further definition" within the article / section still does not clear up any misunderstanding for what you are trying to accomplish. The point of the first sentence and the section as a whole is regarding Mason / Handel and ANTIOCH, not "other" tunes or it being "usual" or "tune associated" since 1848. The sentence should read: "The origin of the tune, known as ANTIOCH, is unclear" plain and simple; unless you are going to revamp the article to read more in keeping with these: In The Bleak Midwinter and Away in a Manger. But there just is not enough material or content (or need) to warrant an entire section for this article. Thus, no reason to include any defining "usual" or "associated with" in the sentence at all. You have yet to find anything within the article that supports this includion; only original research here on the Talk Page. Maineartists ( talk) 13:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
In The Bleak Midwinter looks exemplary to me, stating clearly that it was first published with Holst's tune and later appeared in Darke's choral setting. Sparafucil ( talk)
The lyrics seem to suggest that this may be referring to the Second Advent, when Jesus returns to earth to reign. He did not reign when he came the first time. Is there any evidence that the creator of this piece intended it to be for Christmas? I know it's widely treated as a Christmas carol but that doesn't dismiss the original intent. Kitabparast ( talk) 18:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
"Joy to the World" | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|
Single by Mariah Carey | ||||
from the album Merry Christmas | ||||
B-side |
| |||
Released | 27 November 1995 | |||
Genre | Christmas | |||
Length | 4:20 | |||
Label | Columbia | |||
Songwriter(s) |
| |||
Producer(s) |
| |||
Mariah Carey singles chronology | ||||
|
Mariah Carey co-produced her cover of the song with Walter Afanasieff for her fourth album Merry Christmas. It interpolates Hoyt Axton's rendition of " Joy to the World", a song made famous by Three Dog Night, but augmented the line "Joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea" with "Joy to the people everywhere you see". It was originally released as a promotional single in mid-November 1994 and an EP with commissioned remixes by David Morales was released the following year. [1] The song was later released on 27 November 1995 in Australia as the third single from the album. [2] Eventually, it peaked at number 33 in the aforementioned country.
Several remixes were commissioned for the single, all of them by David Morales. These were made available to radios and record executives on the promotional release in 1994 and to the public in 1995, when the song was released as a commercial single.
In 2016, Carey rerecorded the song and shot a music video that featured James "Big Jim" Wright playing the piano, Carey's background singers and a choir as part of her "Holiday Gifts" digital campaign, where Carey would surprise her fans with new music videos during the weekend before Christmas day.
A new rerecording of the song was featured on 2020's Mariah Carey's Magical Christmas Special and its soundtrack album. [3] The new version of the song, aptly titled "Joy to the World (Magical Christmas Mix)", features a similar arrangement to the 2016 rendition, albeit including instruments from the album version that were removed from the rerecording, such as the slow piano-and-vocals introduction, Christmas bells and a guitar melody.
"Joy to the World" was performed twice in 1994: it was included on the setlist of Carey's benefit concert at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine on 10 December 1994, and was performed via satellite in New York City for TN Argentina on 10 December 1994. It was later performed on BET's Christmas Remembrances Special in December 2001, on the setlist for the second North American leg of Carey's Charmbracelet World Tour, alongside several other Christmas songs such as " All I Want for Christmas Is You", " Silent Night" and " Hark! The Herald Angels Sing", at the 2004 Walt Disney World Christmas Day Parade, on Carey's 2010 Christmas special "Merry Christmas to You" to promote her second Christmas album, and at the annual Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree lighting in 2013. The song was also included on the setlist of Carey's " All I Want for Christmas Is You: A Night of Joy & Festivity" concert residency and tour and on Carey's "Merriest Christmas" Netflix special in 2015.
The single's music video is a live performance of the song by Carey at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine.
The music video for the remix version consists of rare and unreleased personal footage of Carey walking around New York City and Europe wearing several outfits and includes several Christmas themed decorations.
Both videos were made available to the public on the bonus DVD on the 2005 reissue of Carey's Merry Christmas album.
A third music video was shot in 2016 on the set of the movie The Keys of Christmas, where Carey was a main character. The video features James "Big Jim" Wright playing the piano, Carey's background singers and a choir.
Chart (1995) | Peak position |
---|---|
Australia ( ARIA) [4] | 33 |
References