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Q1: Why is the composer referred to as "Josquin" and not "des Prez"
A1: This is simply how academia typically refers to the composer (see Higgins 2004, p. 448). It is a similar to how scholarship refers to both
Leonardo da Vinci and
Joan of Arc by their first names.
Q2: Why is Josquin not called a "French composer" or "Franco-Flemish composer"?
A2: Josquin was born in
Flanders, though there is no agreement on the exact location; it was somewhere in either modern-day Belgium or northeastern France. Modern scholars differ on how to label him, and thus the article says he is "variously described as French or Franco-Flemish". See note #2 in the article for further information.
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Short description
I don't understand the rational for reverting the short description to the redundant "Composer of the Renaissance (c. 1450–1521)". "Franco-flemish" is not a nationality but a specific musical tradition, and Slominsky
(1988) opens with "the greatest of the Franco-Flemish composers", which ought to be good enough for WP.
Sparafucil (
talk) 23:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Franco-Flemish often doubles as a sort of national identifier. Look at the lead "Josquin [...] is variously described as French or Franco-Flemish", described and sourced (at length) in note #2.
The point is, some scholars would say "French composer", some would say "Franco-Flemish" composer—if there's a division over that sort of thing, the short description should completely avoid taking a side. Aza24 (talk) 03:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Josquin des Prez article. This is
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Q1: Why is the composer referred to as "Josquin" and not "des Prez"
A1: This is simply how academia typically refers to the composer (see Higgins 2004, p. 448). It is a similar to how scholarship refers to both
Leonardo da Vinci and
Joan of Arc by their first names.
Q2: Why is Josquin not called a "French composer" or "Franco-Flemish composer"?
A2: Josquin was born in
Flanders, though there is no agreement on the exact location; it was somewhere in either modern-day Belgium or northeastern France. Modern scholars differ on how to label him, and thus the article says he is "variously described as French or Franco-Flemish". See note #2 in the article for further information.
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Short description
I don't understand the rational for reverting the short description to the redundant "Composer of the Renaissance (c. 1450–1521)". "Franco-flemish" is not a nationality but a specific musical tradition, and Slominsky
(1988) opens with "the greatest of the Franco-Flemish composers", which ought to be good enough for WP.
Sparafucil (
talk) 23:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Franco-Flemish often doubles as a sort of national identifier. Look at the lead "Josquin [...] is variously described as French or Franco-Flemish", described and sourced (at length) in note #2.
The point is, some scholars would say "French composer", some would say "Franco-Flemish" composer—if there's a division over that sort of thing, the short description should completely avoid taking a side. Aza24 (talk) 03:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply