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Can someone find out what illness he had after the minor wound at Gettysburg? I believe Last Full Measure says malaria, but I want to be sure. ugen64 02:45, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)
I deleted the last paragraph from a long list of excellent edits. It said:
The first sentence is simply over the top. Noblest? Let's keep a NPOV, please. And although the view of holding LRT meant winning the war has popular appeal, there are few reputable military historians who would say so. A brave engagement, but hardly one on which the entire battle or war rested. I could go into a lot of detail as to why, but perhaps you could cite two or three historians (or document "most historians") who have written this. Hal Jespersen 14:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
All sources I have seen point to the cause of death as being complications from his wounds recieved at Petersburg. See [1] and [2] -- I don't have any written sources, but I think that Hal or one of our other contributers probably does that will back this one up. -- Martin Osterman 12:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Although I don't think this is all that important, both of those sources merely state 'died of war wounds' and don't specify the actual cause of death. Perhaps someone romanticized his death and others are copying the claim. I checked Pullen's biography by searching on Amazon and found he suffered throughout his life from the wound (which left a "fistula on the base of his penis" and affected his marital life) and from malaria that he contracted during the war. So it is arguable whether his wound directly caused an 84-year-old man to die or whether he died of somwething unstated while complaining about the effects of the wound. Hal Jespersen 15:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
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For what it's worth to you guys, the book Twentieth Maine says he was shot through both directions of his hips, shattering his pelvis, and causing bowel complications, and that is what he is supposed to have died of. --S. Gentry, 12 June 2006
Looks great! SimonATL 21:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC) —
Chamberlain's wounds were the subject of an article in the Journal of Urology, March 2000, pp 713-716. A summary of the article appears here: http://medicine.hallowed-grounds.com/october2000.htm
71.16.157.130 21:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)J. Raeder
The above link to J. of U. article no longer works...well at least for me. Try http://www.jurology.com/article/S0022-5347(05)67789-0/pdf Some stories about JLC may be apocryphal, nevertheless, he was a hell of a man. fokker55
I would like to suggest the addition of a redirect to this article from a search of "Lawrence Chamberlain" because by reading Civil War novels such as Killer Angels, one would search Lawrence Chamberlain, and expect to find this page
"The inspiration of a noble cause involving human interests wide and far enables men to do things that they did not dream themselves capable of before and which they were not capable of alone. The consciousness of belonging vitally to something beyond individuality, of being part of a personality that reaches we know not where in space and time, brightens the heart to the limit of the soul's ideal and builds out the supreme character." as quoted by Stephen Covey in the 8th Habit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.72.56 ( talk) 18:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
"This is a different kind of army. If you look at history you'll see men fight for pay, or women, or some other kind of my dog ate my paprerloot. They fight for land, or because a king makes them, or just because they like killing. But we're here for something new. This hasn't happened much in the history of the world. We are an army out to set other men free. America should be free ground, from here to the Pacific Ocean. No man has to bow, no man born to royalty. Here we judge you by what you do, not by who your father was. Here you can be something. Here you can build a home. But it's not the land. There's always more land. It's the idea that we all have value, you and me. What we're fighting for, in the end, is each other. Sorry. Didn't mean to preach." -Colonel Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain
I was wondering if this a real quote by him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SlayerOfChainer ( talk • contribs) .
–That part of the movie script was taken nearly word-for-word from the novel, Killer Angels. I don't know if the book's author, Michael Shaara, was quoting Col. Chamberlain directly, although that seems unlikely. Still, Shaara used letters, memoirs and other published materials as the basis for the thoughts and words of the characters (Lee, Longstreet etc) in the book, so it's possible that he may have based his rendering of Col. Chamberlain's speech to the group of reluctant soldiers (if it actually happened) on Col. Chamberlain's or somebody else's recollection of the incident.
207.59.159.138
21:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC) J. Raeder
I think the statement that Chamberlain was "informed that of all the officers in the Federal Army, General Grant had selected Chamberlain to preside over the ceremony of surrender and parole of the Confederate infantry . . . ." is incorrect. By the time of the surrender ceremony the "Official Records" indicate that only the Fifth Corps was at Appomattox, so the pool of officers was reduced, and according the Warner's "Generals in Blue," Chamberlain's division commander, General Bartlett, received the "stacked arms" of the Confederates. Chamberlain said he commanded the "parade." Furthermore Grant didn't mention Chamberlain in his report in the Official Records or in his memoirs. Is there any original source that supports Chamberlain's claim that he was either chosen by Grant or that Grant approved General Griffin's choice? Levelpuddle039 21:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The text of the surrender differs greatly from the Wiki on the Battle of Appomatox Courthouse ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Appomattox_Courthouse), the text of which follows.
The momentous meaning of this occasion impressed me deeply. I resolved to mark it by some token of recognition, which could be no other than a salute of arms. Well aware of the responsibility assumed, and of the criticisms that would follow, as the sequel proved, nothing of that kind could move me in the least. The act could be defended, if needful, by the suggestion that such a salute was not to the cause for which the flag of the Confederacy stood, but to its going down before the flag of the Union. My main reason, however, was one for which I sought no authority nor asked forgiveness. Before us in proud humiliation stood the embodiment of manhood: men whom neither toils and sufferings, nor the fact of death, nor disaster, nor hopelessness could bend from their resolve; standing before us now, thin, worn, and famished, but erect, and with eyes looking level into ours, waking memories that bound us together as no other bond;—was not such manhood to be welcomed back into a Union so tested and assured?
Instructions had been given; and when the head of each division column comes opposite our group, our bugle sounds the signal and instantly our whole line from right to left, regiment by regiment in succession, gives the soldier's salutation, from the "order arms" to the old "carry"—the marching salute. Gordon at the head of the column, riding with heavy spirit and downcast face, catches the sound of shifting arms, looks up, and, taking the meaning, wheels superbly, making with himself and his horse one uplifted figure, with profound salutation as he drops the point of his sword to the boot toe; then facing to his own command, gives word for his successive brigades to pass us with the same position of the manual,—honor answering honor. On our part not a sound of trumpet more, nor roll of drum; not a cheer, nor word nor whisper of vain-glorying, nor motion of man standing again at the order, but an awed stillness rather, and breath-holding, as if it were the passing of the dead!
– Joshua L. Chamberlain, Passing of the Armies, pp. 260-61
Cathsteve2002 20:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I have collected all of the regimental histories and find all the regiments still in service on that date confirm Chamberlain accepted the surrender. Even regiments that came after Chamberlain left the third brigade and had every right to be loyal to the man they served primarily under, General Bartlett. One of these the 118th PA states,
″General Griffin and General Gibbon had sent for General Chamberlain on the night of the 11th and informed him that he was to command the parade on the occasion of the surrender of Lee's army. The general then asked for his old command, with which he had been constantly identified until he was detached to command the 1st Brigade at Petersburg, where he was so severely wounded.″
[1] To browse all the regimental histories please visit
www.joshualawrencechamberlain.com/regimental.php
Suzenatale (
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20:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi. An editor took out this ext link: Under Chamberlain's Flag - “The Story of the 198th P.A. and 185th N.Y. Volunteers" - it's dead, after all. I've put it back in and marked it dead, which is what I think is policy. I've also undertaken to look for an archive copy at the Wayback Machine, as it's not there (yet?). On the other hand, the book is not exactly all over the internet - though you can get copies (at a hefty price) on Amazon and Abebooks. It may have been a self-published work, though I do not know if this is relevant or to what extent. All in all, I don't know if it's a link that should have been in in the first place or is worth preserving, and I don't have the expertise to be able to assess this, though my default position would be to err on the side of inclusion. Do you have a view please? Thanks DBaK ( talk) 06:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
How did Chamberlain receive the Medal of Honor? I thought commissioned officers were not allowed to receive it until 1915. Emperor001 ( talk) 22:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
**What are all those other medals he's wearing in the photo of him in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.202.81.2 ( talk) 01:12, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
I have removed a parenthetical statement regarding General Chamberlain's battlefield promotion by General Grant which state that this promotion was "the only one he ever made". In addition to being unsourced, this is also incorrect. Emory Upton had previously received the same honor at Spotsylvania Court House, though Chamberlain's commission was delivered to him with somewhat more alacrity.
It is worth noting that Grant's statement in his Memoirs about this incident ("...I promoted him on the spot") was very likely the last thing he added to the book, at least according to Bruce Catton, who examined the original manuscript some decades ago. Grant dies only a few days later.
--
IcarusPhoenix (
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19:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
The external link showing the Battle of Gettysburg, a section of which is devoted to Chamberlain's defense of Little Round Top, cannot be considered linkspam. The Gettysburg engagement is frequently associated with Chamberlain throughout the entry. The link has been rephrased to more closely indicate Little Round Top is a section of the animation, if not the entire subject matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperAnth ( talk • contribs) 06:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
-- SuperAnth: so dubbed by others, perpetuated by action ( talk) 03:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
-- 24.91.154.25 ( talk) 00:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted the reference to William R. Forstchen's "Lost Regiment" series. The main character is an homage by Forstchen, and it no more faint and tangential than Tim Owen's song about Chamberlain; in neither work are their names mentioned. The Lost Regiment article specifically references Chamberlain and the 20th Maine as well. SuperAnth ( talk
The term "Bloody Chamberlain" Can someone add a citation for this? I have never come across this term except for on this site. Is this possibly from a novel or is this based from some source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suzenatale ( talk • contribs) 06:37, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
The book "Gods and Generals" said he was born Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain, but he then switched them because he thought is sounded more formal, but he preferred to be called Lawrence as most of his family did. Was this true or was it one of those things that Shaara improvised on? If true, shouldn't it be mentioned in the article? Emperor001 ( talk) 19:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I now have some doubt about his original name after reading his autobiography. Chamberlain claims his name was originally only Lawrence Chamberlain, but years later "when about to be written on public records, the mother, loyal to her husband's house, wished to prefix... Joshua." I am under the impression the the public records Turlock or someone found, I don't have their books right now infront of me, listed the name Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain. By prefix I would think it to be the front not the middle. If someone has the public record or Trulock's references this can be cleared up. Suzenatale ( talk) 20:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
I checked Trulock, she says the family bible records him as Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain. I'm still not clear on what he meant in his autobiography by "public record" he was listed in the 1850 census as Joshua Lawrence, but by then he was already at school writing his name as "J. Lawrence." [1] -- Suzenatale ( talk) 03:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
There is a seven part TV documentary whiy deals with the Civil War Battles. In part four a historian states that Chamberlain read about a similar situation during the Napoleonic Wars.
A French force on a Hill was attacked by a Austrian Force and chargend downwards. (One of the Battles of Caldiero, there were several fought). Further Ch. never clamied that he has led the actual charged.
Civil War Battles 4/7 its available on DVD at Amazon. -- 37.24.12.14 ( talk) 15:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
The fact is that Ch. didn't had any formal training as a field officer, less as a commanding officer of a battailion sized force. In terms he was nothing more than a "gentry" who raised his own unit to join the army. He was just a more intelligent one. Many tactics from the early 18th century saw a revival in the Eastern Theatres of the Civil War. Mostly, for the lack of tactical communication devices. -- 37.24.8.147 ( talk) 10:10, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
All - two recent edits have removed remarks that Chamberlain had "no earlier education in military strategies" and was "not trained in military science," ostensibly because military science did not exist while Chamberlain was alive. Clausewitz, Jomini, and West Point were already extant in warfare during the Civil War, so I have to disagree that military science was not a matter of study. I propose to put the descriptions back, but seek consensus first. user:JMOprof ©¿©¬ 14:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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There was a reference without explanation before the first word of this article, so here is it: [1] SEMMENDINGER ( talk) 18:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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Samuel Chamberlain and Joshua Chamberlain were second cousins.
/info/en/?search=Joshua_Chamberlain http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI286.html
/info/en/?search=Samuel_Chamberlain http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI570.html
Their fathers were first cousins: http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI284.html http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI493.html
and their grandfathers were brothers: http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI283.html http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI485.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.110.241.69 ( talk) 18:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that Joshua Chamberlain was single-handedly responsible for the Allied victory in WWII as explained by Andy Andrews in his book The Butterfly Effect.
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Can someone find out what illness he had after the minor wound at Gettysburg? I believe Last Full Measure says malaria, but I want to be sure. ugen64 02:45, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)
I deleted the last paragraph from a long list of excellent edits. It said:
The first sentence is simply over the top. Noblest? Let's keep a NPOV, please. And although the view of holding LRT meant winning the war has popular appeal, there are few reputable military historians who would say so. A brave engagement, but hardly one on which the entire battle or war rested. I could go into a lot of detail as to why, but perhaps you could cite two or three historians (or document "most historians") who have written this. Hal Jespersen 14:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
All sources I have seen point to the cause of death as being complications from his wounds recieved at Petersburg. See [1] and [2] -- I don't have any written sources, but I think that Hal or one of our other contributers probably does that will back this one up. -- Martin Osterman 12:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Although I don't think this is all that important, both of those sources merely state 'died of war wounds' and don't specify the actual cause of death. Perhaps someone romanticized his death and others are copying the claim. I checked Pullen's biography by searching on Amazon and found he suffered throughout his life from the wound (which left a "fistula on the base of his penis" and affected his marital life) and from malaria that he contracted during the war. So it is arguable whether his wound directly caused an 84-year-old man to die or whether he died of somwething unstated while complaining about the effects of the wound. Hal Jespersen 15:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
(UTC)
For what it's worth to you guys, the book Twentieth Maine says he was shot through both directions of his hips, shattering his pelvis, and causing bowel complications, and that is what he is supposed to have died of. --S. Gentry, 12 June 2006
Looks great! SimonATL 21:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC) —
Chamberlain's wounds were the subject of an article in the Journal of Urology, March 2000, pp 713-716. A summary of the article appears here: http://medicine.hallowed-grounds.com/october2000.htm
71.16.157.130 21:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)J. Raeder
The above link to J. of U. article no longer works...well at least for me. Try http://www.jurology.com/article/S0022-5347(05)67789-0/pdf Some stories about JLC may be apocryphal, nevertheless, he was a hell of a man. fokker55
I would like to suggest the addition of a redirect to this article from a search of "Lawrence Chamberlain" because by reading Civil War novels such as Killer Angels, one would search Lawrence Chamberlain, and expect to find this page
"The inspiration of a noble cause involving human interests wide and far enables men to do things that they did not dream themselves capable of before and which they were not capable of alone. The consciousness of belonging vitally to something beyond individuality, of being part of a personality that reaches we know not where in space and time, brightens the heart to the limit of the soul's ideal and builds out the supreme character." as quoted by Stephen Covey in the 8th Habit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.72.56 ( talk) 18:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
"This is a different kind of army. If you look at history you'll see men fight for pay, or women, or some other kind of my dog ate my paprerloot. They fight for land, or because a king makes them, or just because they like killing. But we're here for something new. This hasn't happened much in the history of the world. We are an army out to set other men free. America should be free ground, from here to the Pacific Ocean. No man has to bow, no man born to royalty. Here we judge you by what you do, not by who your father was. Here you can be something. Here you can build a home. But it's not the land. There's always more land. It's the idea that we all have value, you and me. What we're fighting for, in the end, is each other. Sorry. Didn't mean to preach." -Colonel Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain
I was wondering if this a real quote by him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SlayerOfChainer ( talk • contribs) .
–That part of the movie script was taken nearly word-for-word from the novel, Killer Angels. I don't know if the book's author, Michael Shaara, was quoting Col. Chamberlain directly, although that seems unlikely. Still, Shaara used letters, memoirs and other published materials as the basis for the thoughts and words of the characters (Lee, Longstreet etc) in the book, so it's possible that he may have based his rendering of Col. Chamberlain's speech to the group of reluctant soldiers (if it actually happened) on Col. Chamberlain's or somebody else's recollection of the incident.
207.59.159.138
21:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC) J. Raeder
I think the statement that Chamberlain was "informed that of all the officers in the Federal Army, General Grant had selected Chamberlain to preside over the ceremony of surrender and parole of the Confederate infantry . . . ." is incorrect. By the time of the surrender ceremony the "Official Records" indicate that only the Fifth Corps was at Appomattox, so the pool of officers was reduced, and according the Warner's "Generals in Blue," Chamberlain's division commander, General Bartlett, received the "stacked arms" of the Confederates. Chamberlain said he commanded the "parade." Furthermore Grant didn't mention Chamberlain in his report in the Official Records or in his memoirs. Is there any original source that supports Chamberlain's claim that he was either chosen by Grant or that Grant approved General Griffin's choice? Levelpuddle039 21:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The text of the surrender differs greatly from the Wiki on the Battle of Appomatox Courthouse ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Appomattox_Courthouse), the text of which follows.
The momentous meaning of this occasion impressed me deeply. I resolved to mark it by some token of recognition, which could be no other than a salute of arms. Well aware of the responsibility assumed, and of the criticisms that would follow, as the sequel proved, nothing of that kind could move me in the least. The act could be defended, if needful, by the suggestion that such a salute was not to the cause for which the flag of the Confederacy stood, but to its going down before the flag of the Union. My main reason, however, was one for which I sought no authority nor asked forgiveness. Before us in proud humiliation stood the embodiment of manhood: men whom neither toils and sufferings, nor the fact of death, nor disaster, nor hopelessness could bend from their resolve; standing before us now, thin, worn, and famished, but erect, and with eyes looking level into ours, waking memories that bound us together as no other bond;—was not such manhood to be welcomed back into a Union so tested and assured?
Instructions had been given; and when the head of each division column comes opposite our group, our bugle sounds the signal and instantly our whole line from right to left, regiment by regiment in succession, gives the soldier's salutation, from the "order arms" to the old "carry"—the marching salute. Gordon at the head of the column, riding with heavy spirit and downcast face, catches the sound of shifting arms, looks up, and, taking the meaning, wheels superbly, making with himself and his horse one uplifted figure, with profound salutation as he drops the point of his sword to the boot toe; then facing to his own command, gives word for his successive brigades to pass us with the same position of the manual,—honor answering honor. On our part not a sound of trumpet more, nor roll of drum; not a cheer, nor word nor whisper of vain-glorying, nor motion of man standing again at the order, but an awed stillness rather, and breath-holding, as if it were the passing of the dead!
– Joshua L. Chamberlain, Passing of the Armies, pp. 260-61
Cathsteve2002 20:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I have collected all of the regimental histories and find all the regiments still in service on that date confirm Chamberlain accepted the surrender. Even regiments that came after Chamberlain left the third brigade and had every right to be loyal to the man they served primarily under, General Bartlett. One of these the 118th PA states,
″General Griffin and General Gibbon had sent for General Chamberlain on the night of the 11th and informed him that he was to command the parade on the occasion of the surrender of Lee's army. The general then asked for his old command, with which he had been constantly identified until he was detached to command the 1st Brigade at Petersburg, where he was so severely wounded.″
[1] To browse all the regimental histories please visit
www.joshualawrencechamberlain.com/regimental.php
Suzenatale (
talk)
20:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi. An editor took out this ext link: Under Chamberlain's Flag - “The Story of the 198th P.A. and 185th N.Y. Volunteers" - it's dead, after all. I've put it back in and marked it dead, which is what I think is policy. I've also undertaken to look for an archive copy at the Wayback Machine, as it's not there (yet?). On the other hand, the book is not exactly all over the internet - though you can get copies (at a hefty price) on Amazon and Abebooks. It may have been a self-published work, though I do not know if this is relevant or to what extent. All in all, I don't know if it's a link that should have been in in the first place or is worth preserving, and I don't have the expertise to be able to assess this, though my default position would be to err on the side of inclusion. Do you have a view please? Thanks DBaK ( talk) 06:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
How did Chamberlain receive the Medal of Honor? I thought commissioned officers were not allowed to receive it until 1915. Emperor001 ( talk) 22:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
**What are all those other medals he's wearing in the photo of him in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.202.81.2 ( talk) 01:12, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
I have removed a parenthetical statement regarding General Chamberlain's battlefield promotion by General Grant which state that this promotion was "the only one he ever made". In addition to being unsourced, this is also incorrect. Emory Upton had previously received the same honor at Spotsylvania Court House, though Chamberlain's commission was delivered to him with somewhat more alacrity.
It is worth noting that Grant's statement in his Memoirs about this incident ("...I promoted him on the spot") was very likely the last thing he added to the book, at least according to Bruce Catton, who examined the original manuscript some decades ago. Grant dies only a few days later.
--
IcarusPhoenix (
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19:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
The external link showing the Battle of Gettysburg, a section of which is devoted to Chamberlain's defense of Little Round Top, cannot be considered linkspam. The Gettysburg engagement is frequently associated with Chamberlain throughout the entry. The link has been rephrased to more closely indicate Little Round Top is a section of the animation, if not the entire subject matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperAnth ( talk • contribs) 06:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
-- SuperAnth: so dubbed by others, perpetuated by action ( talk) 03:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
-- 24.91.154.25 ( talk) 00:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted the reference to William R. Forstchen's "Lost Regiment" series. The main character is an homage by Forstchen, and it no more faint and tangential than Tim Owen's song about Chamberlain; in neither work are their names mentioned. The Lost Regiment article specifically references Chamberlain and the 20th Maine as well. SuperAnth ( talk
The term "Bloody Chamberlain" Can someone add a citation for this? I have never come across this term except for on this site. Is this possibly from a novel or is this based from some source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suzenatale ( talk • contribs) 06:37, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
The book "Gods and Generals" said he was born Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain, but he then switched them because he thought is sounded more formal, but he preferred to be called Lawrence as most of his family did. Was this true or was it one of those things that Shaara improvised on? If true, shouldn't it be mentioned in the article? Emperor001 ( talk) 19:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I now have some doubt about his original name after reading his autobiography. Chamberlain claims his name was originally only Lawrence Chamberlain, but years later "when about to be written on public records, the mother, loyal to her husband's house, wished to prefix... Joshua." I am under the impression the the public records Turlock or someone found, I don't have their books right now infront of me, listed the name Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain. By prefix I would think it to be the front not the middle. If someone has the public record or Trulock's references this can be cleared up. Suzenatale ( talk) 20:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
I checked Trulock, she says the family bible records him as Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain. I'm still not clear on what he meant in his autobiography by "public record" he was listed in the 1850 census as Joshua Lawrence, but by then he was already at school writing his name as "J. Lawrence." [1] -- Suzenatale ( talk) 03:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
There is a seven part TV documentary whiy deals with the Civil War Battles. In part four a historian states that Chamberlain read about a similar situation during the Napoleonic Wars.
A French force on a Hill was attacked by a Austrian Force and chargend downwards. (One of the Battles of Caldiero, there were several fought). Further Ch. never clamied that he has led the actual charged.
Civil War Battles 4/7 its available on DVD at Amazon. -- 37.24.12.14 ( talk) 15:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
The fact is that Ch. didn't had any formal training as a field officer, less as a commanding officer of a battailion sized force. In terms he was nothing more than a "gentry" who raised his own unit to join the army. He was just a more intelligent one. Many tactics from the early 18th century saw a revival in the Eastern Theatres of the Civil War. Mostly, for the lack of tactical communication devices. -- 37.24.8.147 ( talk) 10:10, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
All - two recent edits have removed remarks that Chamberlain had "no earlier education in military strategies" and was "not trained in military science," ostensibly because military science did not exist while Chamberlain was alive. Clausewitz, Jomini, and West Point were already extant in warfare during the Civil War, so I have to disagree that military science was not a matter of study. I propose to put the descriptions back, but seek consensus first. user:JMOprof ©¿©¬ 14:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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There was a reference without explanation before the first word of this article, so here is it: [1] SEMMENDINGER ( talk) 18:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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Samuel Chamberlain and Joshua Chamberlain were second cousins.
/info/en/?search=Joshua_Chamberlain http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI286.html
/info/en/?search=Samuel_Chamberlain http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI570.html
Their fathers were first cousins: http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI284.html http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI493.html
and their grandfathers were brothers: http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI283.html http://www.dchamberlain.net/genealogy/indiI485.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.110.241.69 ( talk) 18:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that Joshua Chamberlain was single-handedly responsible for the Allied victory in WWII as explained by Andy Andrews in his book The Butterfly Effect.