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According to Mercola and a few unreliable sources, his bank accounts have just been closed. We need RS to say it before we can document it. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 20:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
@Valjean, are you saying that an editor who gave a solid viewpoint about the article was "griping"? I don't interpret his statement as griping. I found it helpful. "Not sure where to note this but i was shocked to find this page on Mercola as so very leaning in bias. For every scientist against his claims you can cite a valid scientist who supports. For claims about vitamin d they as in government are now moving towards agreement that it does stave off the virus to some degree. This article needs a rewrite to temove bias. To cite that mercola is often making claims contrasting government guidelines only points out the bias in assuming the government cannot be wrong. Employees of the government are no more knowledgeable than any other source." I remember reading that we are encouraged not to bit the newcomers. Wouldn't a healthy, respectful response been a better way to go? On the WP:NOTFORUM page it says, "...bear in mind that article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles..." This is exactly what he was doing. I also find your threat of sanctioning me a bit dramatic and not necessary when we are both trying to improve wikipedia. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 01:41, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
I think Mercola's promotion, in hs book, of Ivermectin ought to be included. FDA has recently been forced by the Courts to stop discrediting Ivermectin. To avoid mentioning areas where he may be correct seems to put an attack light on Wikipedia, not an objective one. Soundhill ( talk) 18:23, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
may be correctabout Ivermectin. That is a scientific question, and Mercola is still wrong about it. But without actual sources, there is nothing to talk about. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 06:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
You aren't allowed to do that here. That would violate WP:OR and WP:SYNTH (and likely more WP:PAG). It has to be a RS that connects Mercola, by name, to the issue. That he might be partially right doesn't mean Wikipedia gives him any support or a free pass to continue to push his BS pseudoscience quackery. Take your sources to the Ivermectin article talk page and argue the WP:MEDRS relevance of using those sources there.
BTW, you need to sign your comment above. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 17:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Mercola has a known blog on Substack, takecontrol(dot)substack(dot)com, but it's explicitly for paid subscribers only. Should we include a link to it, or no? Lizardcreator ( talk) 02:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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According to Mercola and a few unreliable sources, his bank accounts have just been closed. We need RS to say it before we can document it. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 20:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
@Valjean, are you saying that an editor who gave a solid viewpoint about the article was "griping"? I don't interpret his statement as griping. I found it helpful. "Not sure where to note this but i was shocked to find this page on Mercola as so very leaning in bias. For every scientist against his claims you can cite a valid scientist who supports. For claims about vitamin d they as in government are now moving towards agreement that it does stave off the virus to some degree. This article needs a rewrite to temove bias. To cite that mercola is often making claims contrasting government guidelines only points out the bias in assuming the government cannot be wrong. Employees of the government are no more knowledgeable than any other source." I remember reading that we are encouraged not to bit the newcomers. Wouldn't a healthy, respectful response been a better way to go? On the WP:NOTFORUM page it says, "...bear in mind that article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles..." This is exactly what he was doing. I also find your threat of sanctioning me a bit dramatic and not necessary when we are both trying to improve wikipedia. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 01:41, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
I think Mercola's promotion, in hs book, of Ivermectin ought to be included. FDA has recently been forced by the Courts to stop discrediting Ivermectin. To avoid mentioning areas where he may be correct seems to put an attack light on Wikipedia, not an objective one. Soundhill ( talk) 18:23, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
may be correctabout Ivermectin. That is a scientific question, and Mercola is still wrong about it. But without actual sources, there is nothing to talk about. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 06:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
You aren't allowed to do that here. That would violate WP:OR and WP:SYNTH (and likely more WP:PAG). It has to be a RS that connects Mercola, by name, to the issue. That he might be partially right doesn't mean Wikipedia gives him any support or a free pass to continue to push his BS pseudoscience quackery. Take your sources to the Ivermectin article talk page and argue the WP:MEDRS relevance of using those sources there.
BTW, you need to sign your comment above. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 17:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Mercola has a known blog on Substack, takecontrol(dot)substack(dot)com, but it's explicitly for paid subscribers only. Should we include a link to it, or no? Lizardcreator ( talk) 02:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)