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Bodding, why did you add these tags to the top of the article? Llll5032 ( talk) 06:27, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
Here's the Boston Globe article, which among other things gives the opinions of many people who knew or worked with Ladapo. The Miami Herald article is behind a paywall.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/09/23/metro/six-things-you-should-know-about-dr-joseph-ladapo-floridas-new-surgeon-general-his-controversial-views-vaccines-mandates/
Six things you should know about Dr. Joseph Ladapo, Florida’s new surgeon general, and his controversial views on vaccines and mandates
By Travis Andersen
Boston Globe
September 23, 2021
“I’m speechless,” tweeted Dr. Uché Blackstock, founder of Advancing Health Equity, in response to the Herald article. “I attended medical school with Dr. Joseph Ladapo and to say I’m shocked by his opposition to mask and vaccine mandates is an understatement. I could have never imagined this news.”
That sort of messaging has distressed many in public health, including Dr. Nida Qadir, an associate professor of medicine and associate director of the Medical Intensive Care Unit at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. Ladapo taught previously at UCLA as well.
“He’s expressed a lot of strange views since the beginning of the pandemic,” Qadir tweeted. “I don’t know him personally, but it’s been especially shocking considering the state LA was in this past winter. Can’t say I’m not happy he’s leaving CA but sorry for the people of FL.”
Dr. Michael F. Ozaki, a retired pediatrician living in Southern California, was even more blunt in his assessment of Ladapo.
“He is a public health danger, and must be portrayed as such,” Ozaki tweeted Tuesday.
Dr. Nina L. Shapiro, an author and associate professor at David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, where Ladapo taught as well, tweeted that his views align ”more with #DeSantis than with @UCLAHealth.”
-- Nbauman ( talk) 19:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Science-Based Medicine: "Florida Surgeon General declares single positive COVID test proves immunity forever" [1] -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 13:51, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
A bibliography implies books. The so-called bibliography section appears to be a vanity project listing op-eds and medical articles Ladapo or co-wrote and one article citing him.
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I'll delete thisnon-bibliography from the article. I copied the items into the hatted section above in case someone finds some use for any of them in as a citation. I currently don't see any need for it. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 13:34, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
This reads like something from a propaganda book. I come to Wiki for FACTS not bias! "Snow is cold" is factual, "Snow taken from a pine tree branch tastes like blue cotton-candy" is the product of an overworked imagination. When I want bias there are dozens of "news" places to read and hear skewed, non-factual, and generally made up articles - "The View" comes to mind. This article reads like the product of an overworked imagination. Cut out the silly bias. Whether or not the subject of the bio did or did not wear a mask somewhere is irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.6.17.26 ( talk) 15:13, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
It would seem the fake news editors here are busy trying to spin the truth and the cited article itself by misrepresenting it in this BLP. I have tried a few times to correct this article from the fake news editors with this edit in () (In March 2022, Ladapo issued a recommendation "healthy kids not get COVID-19 vaccine, contradicting CDC" in Florida.) It just doesn't say what the pro vaccine editors want it to say... Hmm that would seem to be a violation of Wikipedia's rules and quite frankly intellectual dishonesty. Wiki is supposed to rely on creditable sources and taking and quoting the headline of the cited sources obviously cannot be allowed by the pro vaccine folks who wish to perpetrate fake news. And to that, I must ask why?
Editors here refuse to allow the word "healthy" to be included here and I must ask why? The cited source says "healthy children" and whenever those two words appear, it is immediately edited to delete the word "healthy" and carry water for the fake news editors.
Any one want to chime in and answer the question? 2600:1700:7610:41E0:D54A:165:F3E5:33C2 ( talk) 01:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC).
Seems no one desires to engage in a conversation regarding the correct and substantial edits being reverted by bad faith actors in order to further the misinformation on this BLP (as well as many others). I always knew Wikipedia had many editors who use it for furtherance of a hidden agenda. However, as of late, my opinion has recently changed. I am now convinced Wikipedia is engaged in a concentrated and concerted effort at misinformation to advance the furtherance of a propaganda campaign. Without a doubt, the black hats have overtaken the white hats and the end result will be everyone loses. No need to ban me...I will let myself out and good riddance to the propaganda arm of the far left communists. 2600:1700:7610:41E0:C53D:FD71:33E4:A7DE ( talk) 14:12, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for the chance to explain. the healthy children edit has finally been allowed by some and that is good. Especially since it is in the cited source. Now, what you call nonsense is also in the same source, if one would read to the end of the article. I have included it here... The Palm Beach Post article says:
"The announcement came after multiple health experts picked by DeSantis to participate in the roundtable downplayed the importance of the vaccine for children, with some saying the benefits of vaccination do not outweigh the risks. Dr. Robert Malone, who has risen to prominence for contradicting the scientific consensus on COVID-19, claimed that "the consensus of over 17,000 physicians and medical scientists are that the risk-benefit ratio for children does not justify vaccination.” Malone appeared to be referring to a declaration signed by medical professionals as part of the "Global COVID Summit" initiative."
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The inclusion of Dr. Malone and his letter signed by 17,000 medical doctors is substantial and especially considering the letter stated the risk to benefit ratio for children does not justify mandatory vaccinations for all children. Especially the healthiest ones in that demographic. I have tried adding this a number of times and it has always been reverted and have been told it has no source or some other weak excuse that it lacks any real merit to be included in this article. Although the four doctors (that may have some axe to grind) and their research have been given undue weight to this article in the last paragraph. I realize Wikipedia doesn't want to tilt the scales and state things that may seem counter intuitive to people when it comes to an issue regarding public health. However, 17,000 trained and skilled medical doctors and/or scientists versus four doctors/researchers seems to be tipping the scales a bit too much...even for Wikipedia. Thank you for being willing to engage in the constructive conversation in this regard. Have a nice day.
That is not related to the content at hand nor his statement. RJS001 ( talk) 01:23, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
TrangaBellam ( talk) 18:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Is Ladapo of Yoruba heritage, since his last name is typically Yoruba? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 21:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o3061 TrangaBellam ( talk) 19:07, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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This page has FALSE information. He is NOT spreading misinformation. He is a Harvard trained doctor who has read the studies and has a different opinion, however, it is NOT misinformation. (You really shouldn't let people publish "Opinions" in wikipedia. Nothing this doctor has said has been misinformation, he studied the science and his determination is different than the narrative, that is NOT misinformation AT ALL.) 73.53.173.73 ( talk) 13:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
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Bodding, why did you add these tags to the top of the article? Llll5032 ( talk) 06:27, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
Here's the Boston Globe article, which among other things gives the opinions of many people who knew or worked with Ladapo. The Miami Herald article is behind a paywall.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/09/23/metro/six-things-you-should-know-about-dr-joseph-ladapo-floridas-new-surgeon-general-his-controversial-views-vaccines-mandates/
Six things you should know about Dr. Joseph Ladapo, Florida’s new surgeon general, and his controversial views on vaccines and mandates
By Travis Andersen
Boston Globe
September 23, 2021
“I’m speechless,” tweeted Dr. Uché Blackstock, founder of Advancing Health Equity, in response to the Herald article. “I attended medical school with Dr. Joseph Ladapo and to say I’m shocked by his opposition to mask and vaccine mandates is an understatement. I could have never imagined this news.”
That sort of messaging has distressed many in public health, including Dr. Nida Qadir, an associate professor of medicine and associate director of the Medical Intensive Care Unit at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. Ladapo taught previously at UCLA as well.
“He’s expressed a lot of strange views since the beginning of the pandemic,” Qadir tweeted. “I don’t know him personally, but it’s been especially shocking considering the state LA was in this past winter. Can’t say I’m not happy he’s leaving CA but sorry for the people of FL.”
Dr. Michael F. Ozaki, a retired pediatrician living in Southern California, was even more blunt in his assessment of Ladapo.
“He is a public health danger, and must be portrayed as such,” Ozaki tweeted Tuesday.
Dr. Nina L. Shapiro, an author and associate professor at David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, where Ladapo taught as well, tweeted that his views align ”more with #DeSantis than with @UCLAHealth.”
-- Nbauman ( talk) 19:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Science-Based Medicine: "Florida Surgeon General declares single positive COVID test proves immunity forever" [1] -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 13:51, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
A bibliography implies books. The so-called bibliography section appears to be a vanity project listing op-eds and medical articles Ladapo or co-wrote and one article citing him.
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I'll delete thisnon-bibliography from the article. I copied the items into the hatted section above in case someone finds some use for any of them in as a citation. I currently don't see any need for it. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 13:34, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
This reads like something from a propaganda book. I come to Wiki for FACTS not bias! "Snow is cold" is factual, "Snow taken from a pine tree branch tastes like blue cotton-candy" is the product of an overworked imagination. When I want bias there are dozens of "news" places to read and hear skewed, non-factual, and generally made up articles - "The View" comes to mind. This article reads like the product of an overworked imagination. Cut out the silly bias. Whether or not the subject of the bio did or did not wear a mask somewhere is irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.6.17.26 ( talk) 15:13, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
It would seem the fake news editors here are busy trying to spin the truth and the cited article itself by misrepresenting it in this BLP. I have tried a few times to correct this article from the fake news editors with this edit in () (In March 2022, Ladapo issued a recommendation "healthy kids not get COVID-19 vaccine, contradicting CDC" in Florida.) It just doesn't say what the pro vaccine editors want it to say... Hmm that would seem to be a violation of Wikipedia's rules and quite frankly intellectual dishonesty. Wiki is supposed to rely on creditable sources and taking and quoting the headline of the cited sources obviously cannot be allowed by the pro vaccine folks who wish to perpetrate fake news. And to that, I must ask why?
Editors here refuse to allow the word "healthy" to be included here and I must ask why? The cited source says "healthy children" and whenever those two words appear, it is immediately edited to delete the word "healthy" and carry water for the fake news editors.
Any one want to chime in and answer the question? 2600:1700:7610:41E0:D54A:165:F3E5:33C2 ( talk) 01:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC).
Seems no one desires to engage in a conversation regarding the correct and substantial edits being reverted by bad faith actors in order to further the misinformation on this BLP (as well as many others). I always knew Wikipedia had many editors who use it for furtherance of a hidden agenda. However, as of late, my opinion has recently changed. I am now convinced Wikipedia is engaged in a concentrated and concerted effort at misinformation to advance the furtherance of a propaganda campaign. Without a doubt, the black hats have overtaken the white hats and the end result will be everyone loses. No need to ban me...I will let myself out and good riddance to the propaganda arm of the far left communists. 2600:1700:7610:41E0:C53D:FD71:33E4:A7DE ( talk) 14:12, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for the chance to explain. the healthy children edit has finally been allowed by some and that is good. Especially since it is in the cited source. Now, what you call nonsense is also in the same source, if one would read to the end of the article. I have included it here... The Palm Beach Post article says:
"The announcement came after multiple health experts picked by DeSantis to participate in the roundtable downplayed the importance of the vaccine for children, with some saying the benefits of vaccination do not outweigh the risks. Dr. Robert Malone, who has risen to prominence for contradicting the scientific consensus on COVID-19, claimed that "the consensus of over 17,000 physicians and medical scientists are that the risk-benefit ratio for children does not justify vaccination.” Malone appeared to be referring to a declaration signed by medical professionals as part of the "Global COVID Summit" initiative."
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The inclusion of Dr. Malone and his letter signed by 17,000 medical doctors is substantial and especially considering the letter stated the risk to benefit ratio for children does not justify mandatory vaccinations for all children. Especially the healthiest ones in that demographic. I have tried adding this a number of times and it has always been reverted and have been told it has no source or some other weak excuse that it lacks any real merit to be included in this article. Although the four doctors (that may have some axe to grind) and their research have been given undue weight to this article in the last paragraph. I realize Wikipedia doesn't want to tilt the scales and state things that may seem counter intuitive to people when it comes to an issue regarding public health. However, 17,000 trained and skilled medical doctors and/or scientists versus four doctors/researchers seems to be tipping the scales a bit too much...even for Wikipedia. Thank you for being willing to engage in the constructive conversation in this regard. Have a nice day.
That is not related to the content at hand nor his statement. RJS001 ( talk) 01:23, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
TrangaBellam ( talk) 18:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Is Ladapo of Yoruba heritage, since his last name is typically Yoruba? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 21:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o3061 TrangaBellam ( talk) 19:07, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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This page has FALSE information. He is NOT spreading misinformation. He is a Harvard trained doctor who has read the studies and has a different opinion, however, it is NOT misinformation. (You really shouldn't let people publish "Opinions" in wikipedia. Nothing this doctor has said has been misinformation, he studied the science and his determination is different than the narrative, that is NOT misinformation AT ALL.) 73.53.173.73 ( talk) 13:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)