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Ah, I see. I was just wondering if we'd be able to track down the newspaper, which might give us a tad more information about his later life.
Ambi06:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)reply
No, I'm wrong again. Black and Bolton is pretty terse. All it says of his later life is
labourer in Adel. in 1921; subsequently worked at various occupations while living in Melbourne at Carlton, Elsternwick and from 1932 Bentleigh; tester in 1922, labourer 1947, meter reader 1953; listed as journalist at time of death.
I had assumed that this last phrase meant that his occupation was entered as "journalist" on his death certificate, but I've just noticed that the brief list of references includes "Victorian electoral rolls". The fact that B&B chose the word "listed" rather than "noted" or "entered" makes me certain that this is a reference to Gardiner's details on the electoral rolls.
There's no obituary listed in the references, and I think it unlikely that there would be one for someone who was a backbencher for a few years in a different state 50 years before. But if you have access to Victorian newspaper archives, don't let me stop you looking.
Snottygobble06:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)reply
He was one of the Victorian "land boomers" of the 1880s; his land speculations spectacularly failed; he was elected a Victorian MLC in 1889, but ran away to WA to escape his debts in 1890, and his seat was declared vacant in 1891. Became an MLA in WA and rose to leader of the opposition, and later colonial treasurer, colonial secretary and chairman of committees.
His time in Victoria is covered in Chapter 24 of Michael Cannon's The Land Boomers, which I don't have ready access to, but you might.
Whenever you want ;). I had been planning on doing the two James Drummonds (father botanist and son MLC) next, but I can do Illingworth right away if you want.
Snottygobble11:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Secret marriage
I have removed the statement "and was kept secret for decades". The marriage was reported by The West Australian as early as December 1919. Either the reference to the marriage by Black is incorrect or has been interpreted incorrectly.
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Ah, I see. I was just wondering if we'd be able to track down the newspaper, which might give us a tad more information about his later life.
Ambi06:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)reply
No, I'm wrong again. Black and Bolton is pretty terse. All it says of his later life is
labourer in Adel. in 1921; subsequently worked at various occupations while living in Melbourne at Carlton, Elsternwick and from 1932 Bentleigh; tester in 1922, labourer 1947, meter reader 1953; listed as journalist at time of death.
I had assumed that this last phrase meant that his occupation was entered as "journalist" on his death certificate, but I've just noticed that the brief list of references includes "Victorian electoral rolls". The fact that B&B chose the word "listed" rather than "noted" or "entered" makes me certain that this is a reference to Gardiner's details on the electoral rolls.
There's no obituary listed in the references, and I think it unlikely that there would be one for someone who was a backbencher for a few years in a different state 50 years before. But if you have access to Victorian newspaper archives, don't let me stop you looking.
Snottygobble06:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)reply
He was one of the Victorian "land boomers" of the 1880s; his land speculations spectacularly failed; he was elected a Victorian MLC in 1889, but ran away to WA to escape his debts in 1890, and his seat was declared vacant in 1891. Became an MLA in WA and rose to leader of the opposition, and later colonial treasurer, colonial secretary and chairman of committees.
His time in Victoria is covered in Chapter 24 of Michael Cannon's The Land Boomers, which I don't have ready access to, but you might.
Whenever you want ;). I had been planning on doing the two James Drummonds (father botanist and son MLC) next, but I can do Illingworth right away if you want.
Snottygobble11:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Secret marriage
I have removed the statement "and was kept secret for decades". The marriage was reported by The West Australian as early as December 1919. Either the reference to the marriage by Black is incorrect or has been interpreted incorrectly.
Hack (
talk)
08:04, 19 November 2012 (UTC)reply