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Please make the statements more NPOV. -- Quess 10:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
You too Quess. Whoever's version this is fully of subjective opinion, not neutral fact. actually, the "facts" here are downright incorrect too. What are listed as "controversies" is the perspective of anti-sison, former CPP individuals and are clearly biased. Please list facts rather than rumors or false testimonies of criminals (Corpuz, Kintanar, Lagman, etc.).
Also, the "quotes" are extremely subjective and not neutral at all. They are character assasination and has not place in objective academia. Also, my quotes are from a book, you can get at amazon.com, while these other quotes seem made up. -- peoplestruth
Johnyang2, sorry to disappoint you but if there is no evidence, please don't attribute any bombings to Sison. It will look very bad for wikipedia, if it seems wikipedia made an non-cited , unsourced conclusion or statement. We need to have verifiable sources.-- Jondel 02:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
My interest is being as professionally journalistic as possible, professionally journalistic in quotes because this is a volunteer encyclopedia. Just as articles on Saddam Hussein, Hitler , and other controversial unpopular people are as neutral as possible, the same has to be applied here. By the way , I also work in the journalism industry in my daytime job. In the articles we/I write, we can't publish what isn't sourced or cited. You might be interested that I help initiate and save the Jovita Salonga article from deletion. Please, I would rather that you follow journalism policy rather than making us sysops enforce policy.-- Jondel 08:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
As of this writing, there is only one references and no sources cited. We need sources for this article.-- Jondel 08:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
This article is connected to category 'Chinese filipinos', yet there is no indication of Chinese descent in the article. Can someone find the facts and correct the article textgor delete the category, based on the facts. Thanks Hmains 03:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quess ( talk • contribs)
I added a paragraph to input a major news on sison's delisting and asset unfrozen.
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Florentino floro
13:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I included the news about the ruling on the legal fees.
-- Florentino floro 14:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I added the news on the side of the Netherland embassy and Norberto Gonzales explanation.
-- Florentino floro 06:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but I was still surprised to see the introduction lack this balance. So, I included this fact in the introduction which will provide greater neutrality for the reader about this issue. DrGabriela 05:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the Arrest section can be improved by a more factual description of the conditions of his imprisonment to achieve a more neutral point of view. Also some responses to the allegation of torture should be added to achieve a more balanced discussion of the topic. – Ilse @ 21:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The world-famous dwarves, LUIS, armand and angel of prophet Florentino V. Floro are very excited to hear the official interview release of Joma's prophecy of PGMA downfall. I hope users will expand this sub-section.
-- Florentino floro ( talk) 05:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
The trial ended on May 20 and on June 10 the decision will be released: The Dutch court on May 20,2008, heard Sison's appeal against the Dutch Public Prosecutors Office's request to extend its investigation until December, since the investigators arrived in the Philippines in February and interviewed witnesses. At the trial, however, the new evidence showed that there were indeed attempts to kill him, in 1999 and 2000, while Kintanar's wife, Joy, directly accused Edwin Garcia in the murder of her husband. Abs-Cbn Interactive, Sison claims govt agents tried to kill him The Dutch court scheduled the promulgation on the verdict on June 10, 2008. Inquirer.net, Communist leader Sison asks Dutch court to drop case-- Florentino floro ( talk) 06:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
The Dutch District Court of The Hague on June 5, 2008 decided in camera “that the Public Prosecution Service may continue the prosecution of Jose Maria Sison for involvement in, among other matters, a number of murders committed in the Philippines in 2003 and 2004; that while the prosecution's case file still held insufficient evidence, the investigation was ongoing and should be given time to unfold.” abs-cbnnews.com, Dutch court allows prosecution anew of Joma Sison-- Florentino floro ( talk) 12:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
This article previously used "José María Sison" as the title and throughout, but I can find no evidence that the name should have accents. In particular, Open Hand has book covers and a signature in his own handwriting, that DO NOT show any accents. (You can see many pages from this biography at Google Books.) Newspapers and magazines similarly universally use the unaccented form. So I have changed the name to "Jose Maria Sison". Barsoomian ( talk) 00:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
There are lot of unsourced assertions here. I've marked a few, in the hope that more knowledgeable editors will be able to provide the appropriate citations, but at the moment it looks like the whole thing could do with a re-write, one that I hope will be less ideologically-driven. Elchori01 ( talk) 15:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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Please make the statements more NPOV. -- Quess 10:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
You too Quess. Whoever's version this is fully of subjective opinion, not neutral fact. actually, the "facts" here are downright incorrect too. What are listed as "controversies" is the perspective of anti-sison, former CPP individuals and are clearly biased. Please list facts rather than rumors or false testimonies of criminals (Corpuz, Kintanar, Lagman, etc.).
Also, the "quotes" are extremely subjective and not neutral at all. They are character assasination and has not place in objective academia. Also, my quotes are from a book, you can get at amazon.com, while these other quotes seem made up. -- peoplestruth
Johnyang2, sorry to disappoint you but if there is no evidence, please don't attribute any bombings to Sison. It will look very bad for wikipedia, if it seems wikipedia made an non-cited , unsourced conclusion or statement. We need to have verifiable sources.-- Jondel 02:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
My interest is being as professionally journalistic as possible, professionally journalistic in quotes because this is a volunteer encyclopedia. Just as articles on Saddam Hussein, Hitler , and other controversial unpopular people are as neutral as possible, the same has to be applied here. By the way , I also work in the journalism industry in my daytime job. In the articles we/I write, we can't publish what isn't sourced or cited. You might be interested that I help initiate and save the Jovita Salonga article from deletion. Please, I would rather that you follow journalism policy rather than making us sysops enforce policy.-- Jondel 08:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
As of this writing, there is only one references and no sources cited. We need sources for this article.-- Jondel 08:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
This article is connected to category 'Chinese filipinos', yet there is no indication of Chinese descent in the article. Can someone find the facts and correct the article textgor delete the category, based on the facts. Thanks Hmains 03:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quess ( talk • contribs)
I added a paragraph to input a major news on sison's delisting and asset unfrozen.
--
Florentino floro
13:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I included the news about the ruling on the legal fees.
-- Florentino floro 14:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I added the news on the side of the Netherland embassy and Norberto Gonzales explanation.
-- Florentino floro 06:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but I was still surprised to see the introduction lack this balance. So, I included this fact in the introduction which will provide greater neutrality for the reader about this issue. DrGabriela 05:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the Arrest section can be improved by a more factual description of the conditions of his imprisonment to achieve a more neutral point of view. Also some responses to the allegation of torture should be added to achieve a more balanced discussion of the topic. – Ilse @ 21:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The world-famous dwarves, LUIS, armand and angel of prophet Florentino V. Floro are very excited to hear the official interview release of Joma's prophecy of PGMA downfall. I hope users will expand this sub-section.
-- Florentino floro ( talk) 05:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
The trial ended on May 20 and on June 10 the decision will be released: The Dutch court on May 20,2008, heard Sison's appeal against the Dutch Public Prosecutors Office's request to extend its investigation until December, since the investigators arrived in the Philippines in February and interviewed witnesses. At the trial, however, the new evidence showed that there were indeed attempts to kill him, in 1999 and 2000, while Kintanar's wife, Joy, directly accused Edwin Garcia in the murder of her husband. Abs-Cbn Interactive, Sison claims govt agents tried to kill him The Dutch court scheduled the promulgation on the verdict on June 10, 2008. Inquirer.net, Communist leader Sison asks Dutch court to drop case-- Florentino floro ( talk) 06:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
The Dutch District Court of The Hague on June 5, 2008 decided in camera “that the Public Prosecution Service may continue the prosecution of Jose Maria Sison for involvement in, among other matters, a number of murders committed in the Philippines in 2003 and 2004; that while the prosecution's case file still held insufficient evidence, the investigation was ongoing and should be given time to unfold.” abs-cbnnews.com, Dutch court allows prosecution anew of Joma Sison-- Florentino floro ( talk) 12:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
This article previously used "José María Sison" as the title and throughout, but I can find no evidence that the name should have accents. In particular, Open Hand has book covers and a signature in his own handwriting, that DO NOT show any accents. (You can see many pages from this biography at Google Books.) Newspapers and magazines similarly universally use the unaccented form. So I have changed the name to "Jose Maria Sison". Barsoomian ( talk) 00:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
There are lot of unsourced assertions here. I've marked a few, in the hope that more knowledgeable editors will be able to provide the appropriate citations, but at the moment it looks like the whole thing could do with a re-write, one that I hope will be less ideologically-driven. Elchori01 ( talk) 15:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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