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the lead identified Varela as a Carlist; I have deleted this phrase.
Indeed in numerous works, also by renowned scholars, Varela is identified as a Carlist: "a Carlist and a reactionary" (Payne), [1] "the sole Carlist general, Varela" (Blinkhorn), [2] "general Varela, the Spanish Army Minister (a Carlist)" (Smyth), [3] "Carlist general Varela" (Preston), [4] "romantic Carlist" (Thomas), [5] "the Carlist Varela, now a general too" (Carrol), [6] "General Jose Enrique Varela - Carlist reactionary" (again Payne, another work) [7] "The general José Enrique Varela Iglesias, Marqués de Varela de San Fernando, was a Carlist" (Guell), [8] "General Varela, a Traditionalist" (Beevor), [9] "el propio Varela, carlista" (Egana), [10] "carlista Varela", [11] "carlista Varela" (Tussell), [12] "general carlista Varela" (Ramos), [13] "el general Varela era carlista" (Bossan), [14] "el coronel (luego general) Varela, convertido al carlismo", [15] "Varela (militar carlista)" (Clemente), [16] "Varela, además de ministro del Ejército, era carlista, [17] "general Enrique Varela, de ideología carlista" (Sanchez), [18] "" sólo un carlista ha formado parte en alguno de ellos: el general Varela" (again Clemente, another work), [19] "Varela, buen amigo de Franco, pero carlista y antifalangista" (Palacios), [20] "Enrique Varela, the Army Minister and a leading Carlist" (Wigg), [21] "Carlist army minister Varela" (Payne yet again), [22] "General Varela, a Carlist by conviction" (Lippschitz), [23] "Carlist War Minister, General Varela" (Trythall), [24] "War Minister Varela, a Carlist" (Roig), [25] General Varela, Minister of War, who had been attending Mass, and who was both a Carlist and an anglophile" (Gallo), [26] "Traditionalist Varela" (Kleinfeld), [27] "tradicionalista Varela" (Moa), [28] "Traditionalist leader General Varela" (Ross), [29] or "José Enrique Várela —ministro del Ejército, carlista, reaccionario y uno de los jefes militares...". [30]
In some works he is identified somewhat more loosely: "general José Enrique Varela, de simpatías carlistas", [31] "notables favores a partidarios de la causa carlista tan conocidos como elgeneral Varela" (Plenn), [32] "Anglófilo y antifascista, relacionado con los carlistas, Varela" (Carr), [33] "protradicionalista general Varela" (Marin), [34] "general Varela, entonces ministro del Ejército y hombre ligado al carlismo más tradicional" (Merino), [35] "los carlistas encontraban su mejor valedor en el general Varela", [36] "general Varela, miembro o simpatizante de esta agrupación" (Munoz), [37] "pro-Carlist Colonel Varela" (Hodgson), [38] "the books ogf Vazquez de Mella and other Carlist ideologues were eagerly devoured by Colonel José Enrique Varela" (Preston), [39] "General Varela, the Minister of War - a Carlist sympathizer" (Hodges), [40] "Varela, who was simultaneously pro-Carlist" (Payne, Palacios), [41] "Varela, who was regarded as an Anglophile and a monarchist opposed to Serrano and who was linked to Carlism" (Fusi), [42] "General Varela, well known for his traditionalist sympathies" (Lloyd), [43] "General Varela, the most nearly Traditionalist member of...", [44] "General Varela, Minister of War, publicly identified his "Traditionalism" with the Church and army" (Roxburgh), [45] "general filocarlista - Varela" (Morente), [46] "filocarlista Varela" (Llera), [47] and "Varela, simpatizante Carlista" (Cardona). [48]
In some works he is identified as "monarchist" (which might or might not imply Carlism): "monárquico general Varela" (Rodo), [49] "general Varela, monarquico" (Soria), [50] "monárquico general Varela" (de la Cierva), [51] "Monarchist Army general, Varela" (Black), [52] "monárquicos (figuras como Kindelán,Varela, Orgaz)" (Rodriguez), [53] or "uncompromising monarchist, Varela" (Boyd). [54]
However, two monographs on Varela published recently claim he has never been a Carlist. They argue that Varela considered himself first and foremost a military and that in principle, the military should stay clear of politics. Moreover, according to the authors, Varela was a monarchist with an Alfonsist leaning. See Antonio Atienza Peñarrocha, Africanistas y junteros: el ejército español en Africa y el oficial José Enrique Varela Iglesias [PhD thesis Univ. of Valencia 2012], p. 915, Federico Martínez Roda, Varela: el general antifascista de Franco, Madrid 2012, ISBN 9788499703008, p. 207.
I think that though majority of historiographical works in circulation claim Varela was a Carlist, 2 monographs outweigh them; as a result, I deleted the Carlist identifier. Now the entry mentions a number of times Varela's close co-operation with the Carlists, but refrains from identifying his political views. Alternatively, one might note that the question of Varela's political views is controversial, if that fits WP standards better.
-- Dd1495 ( talk) 10:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Dd1945, I found the statement you made reference to by Atienza where he says he wasn't a Carlist here: Pero Varela no fue carlista porque él siempre defendió la línea dinástica de Alfonso XIII. Again the reason given invalidates the argument, since there was a large number of Carlists in the 1930s who defended that that line should succeed the claimant Alfonso Carlos. Also, his only reference for that statement is Pemán's monograph on Varela: Un soldado en la historia: vida del capitán general Varela (page 127). It would be interesting to see what Pemán wrote exactly in order to avoid a wrong interpretation. Could you please quote the other monographer and his references? Thank you.-- Bradoman ( talk) 16:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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the lead identified Varela as a Carlist; I have deleted this phrase.
Indeed in numerous works, also by renowned scholars, Varela is identified as a Carlist: "a Carlist and a reactionary" (Payne), [1] "the sole Carlist general, Varela" (Blinkhorn), [2] "general Varela, the Spanish Army Minister (a Carlist)" (Smyth), [3] "Carlist general Varela" (Preston), [4] "romantic Carlist" (Thomas), [5] "the Carlist Varela, now a general too" (Carrol), [6] "General Jose Enrique Varela - Carlist reactionary" (again Payne, another work) [7] "The general José Enrique Varela Iglesias, Marqués de Varela de San Fernando, was a Carlist" (Guell), [8] "General Varela, a Traditionalist" (Beevor), [9] "el propio Varela, carlista" (Egana), [10] "carlista Varela", [11] "carlista Varela" (Tussell), [12] "general carlista Varela" (Ramos), [13] "el general Varela era carlista" (Bossan), [14] "el coronel (luego general) Varela, convertido al carlismo", [15] "Varela (militar carlista)" (Clemente), [16] "Varela, además de ministro del Ejército, era carlista, [17] "general Enrique Varela, de ideología carlista" (Sanchez), [18] "" sólo un carlista ha formado parte en alguno de ellos: el general Varela" (again Clemente, another work), [19] "Varela, buen amigo de Franco, pero carlista y antifalangista" (Palacios), [20] "Enrique Varela, the Army Minister and a leading Carlist" (Wigg), [21] "Carlist army minister Varela" (Payne yet again), [22] "General Varela, a Carlist by conviction" (Lippschitz), [23] "Carlist War Minister, General Varela" (Trythall), [24] "War Minister Varela, a Carlist" (Roig), [25] General Varela, Minister of War, who had been attending Mass, and who was both a Carlist and an anglophile" (Gallo), [26] "Traditionalist Varela" (Kleinfeld), [27] "tradicionalista Varela" (Moa), [28] "Traditionalist leader General Varela" (Ross), [29] or "José Enrique Várela —ministro del Ejército, carlista, reaccionario y uno de los jefes militares...". [30]
In some works he is identified somewhat more loosely: "general José Enrique Varela, de simpatías carlistas", [31] "notables favores a partidarios de la causa carlista tan conocidos como elgeneral Varela" (Plenn), [32] "Anglófilo y antifascista, relacionado con los carlistas, Varela" (Carr), [33] "protradicionalista general Varela" (Marin), [34] "general Varela, entonces ministro del Ejército y hombre ligado al carlismo más tradicional" (Merino), [35] "los carlistas encontraban su mejor valedor en el general Varela", [36] "general Varela, miembro o simpatizante de esta agrupación" (Munoz), [37] "pro-Carlist Colonel Varela" (Hodgson), [38] "the books ogf Vazquez de Mella and other Carlist ideologues were eagerly devoured by Colonel José Enrique Varela" (Preston), [39] "General Varela, the Minister of War - a Carlist sympathizer" (Hodges), [40] "Varela, who was simultaneously pro-Carlist" (Payne, Palacios), [41] "Varela, who was regarded as an Anglophile and a monarchist opposed to Serrano and who was linked to Carlism" (Fusi), [42] "General Varela, well known for his traditionalist sympathies" (Lloyd), [43] "General Varela, the most nearly Traditionalist member of...", [44] "General Varela, Minister of War, publicly identified his "Traditionalism" with the Church and army" (Roxburgh), [45] "general filocarlista - Varela" (Morente), [46] "filocarlista Varela" (Llera), [47] and "Varela, simpatizante Carlista" (Cardona). [48]
In some works he is identified as "monarchist" (which might or might not imply Carlism): "monárquico general Varela" (Rodo), [49] "general Varela, monarquico" (Soria), [50] "monárquico general Varela" (de la Cierva), [51] "Monarchist Army general, Varela" (Black), [52] "monárquicos (figuras como Kindelán,Varela, Orgaz)" (Rodriguez), [53] or "uncompromising monarchist, Varela" (Boyd). [54]
However, two monographs on Varela published recently claim he has never been a Carlist. They argue that Varela considered himself first and foremost a military and that in principle, the military should stay clear of politics. Moreover, according to the authors, Varela was a monarchist with an Alfonsist leaning. See Antonio Atienza Peñarrocha, Africanistas y junteros: el ejército español en Africa y el oficial José Enrique Varela Iglesias [PhD thesis Univ. of Valencia 2012], p. 915, Federico Martínez Roda, Varela: el general antifascista de Franco, Madrid 2012, ISBN 9788499703008, p. 207.
I think that though majority of historiographical works in circulation claim Varela was a Carlist, 2 monographs outweigh them; as a result, I deleted the Carlist identifier. Now the entry mentions a number of times Varela's close co-operation with the Carlists, but refrains from identifying his political views. Alternatively, one might note that the question of Varela's political views is controversial, if that fits WP standards better.
-- Dd1495 ( talk) 10:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Dd1945, I found the statement you made reference to by Atienza where he says he wasn't a Carlist here: Pero Varela no fue carlista porque él siempre defendió la línea dinástica de Alfonso XIII. Again the reason given invalidates the argument, since there was a large number of Carlists in the 1930s who defended that that line should succeed the claimant Alfonso Carlos. Also, his only reference for that statement is Pemán's monograph on Varela: Un soldado en la historia: vida del capitán general Varela (page 127). It would be interesting to see what Pemán wrote exactly in order to avoid a wrong interpretation. Could you please quote the other monographer and his references? Thank you.-- Bradoman ( talk) 16:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)