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It seems to me that the interview warrants it's own section - In fact, are there any good reasons against that?
The 16 January 2018 Interview on Channel 4 News - has been watched 21.4m times on Youtube, to date. For a 'mere' UK news item, that it is a big audience. No other Channel 4 News piece has been watched more (excluding a comedy / verbal stunt by a weather man): https://www.youtube.com/user/Channel4News/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid
On the entire Channel 4 channel on Youtube - only 3 non-News programs have had more views: https://www.youtube.com/user/Channel4/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid. The publicity from the Interview in the UK, helped raise Peterson's prominence - there was alot of coverage of him in the serious UK newspapers for over a year after that.
E.g. just fire-hosing some examples: these 3 events - none of which are mentioned in the current page: January 2018 - BBC's Radio 5 Live's 'HeadLiners' interview - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p05w1hjw January 2018 - TheGuardian newspaper book review - https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jan/21/jordan-peterson-self-help-author-12-steps-interview
And later: May 2018 he was: a) interviewed by Maajid Nawaz, on London's LBC radio - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBfT38xbhU b) a guest on BBC Radio 4's 'Start the Week' show - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b2gsct c) interviewed on BBC Radio 3's Free Thinking ptogramme: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3fk63
June 2018 -The Guardian 'What the left gets wrong about Jordan Peterson' opinion piece - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/22/what-the-left-gets-wrong-about-jordan-peterson
August 2018 the BBC's HARDtalk weekly TV show interviewed him - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufopNY5PO1U. - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cswj8s
September 2018 - is included in BBC's 'Morality in the 21st Century' radio series by UK chief rabbi Jonathan Sacks
November 2018 the BBC invited him as a panel member to the weekly political program Question Time: where he commented on knife crime and the Brexit referendum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j13KnahU3U
January 2019 BBC's 'Radio 5 Live' station (youth audience) - interview him with the young members of a Boxing gym in Manchester (North England) https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06xlz1l CanterburyUK ( talk) 21:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Most videos on YouTube are anonymous, self-published, and unverifiable, and should not be used at all. Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability. However, many YouTube videos from unofficial accounts are copyright violations and should not be linked from Wikipedia, according to WP:COPYLINK. See also WP:YOUTUBE and WP:VIDEOLINK.
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Two years on, an interview with Peterson is the second-most watched item on the 4th-oldest British TV channel Channel 4 News' YouTube channel at 21.4m viewings [1]: their 16th January 2018 interview by long serving Channel 4 journalist Cathy Newman [2].
Even across the entire Channel Four's Youtube channel, which includes much celebrity and popular programming, only 3 non-news programs have had more than 21m viewings [3].
The Cathy Newman interview became a viral phenomenon on YouTube, by the 21st January it had been viewed 2 million times and attracted nearly 50,000 comments. Newman's interview contributed to increasing Peterson's prominence in the UK where he was later invited onto various BBC current affairs programs [4] [5].
Newman herself declared on Twitter that she had “thoroughly enjoyed” the “bout” with Peterson [6].
But many commenters were critical of Cathy Newman, saying she was a “social justice warrior” with a preconceived and misplaced grasp of Peterson's views. [6] [7]
The New York Times columnist David Brooks said that Newman had "distorted, simplified and restated Peterson's views to make them appear offensive and cartoonish" [8].
Writing for The Guardian, Nosheen Iqbal stated that Peterson had made "broad generalisations on male and female behaviour" and that he denied the existence of the gender pay gap "as a qualitative fact". [9] Channel 4 News editor Ben de Pear said that the station had called in security specialists in response to social-media abuse and threats directed against her. [10] [11] [12] Following the interview, Newman observed that her Wikipedia page had "been rapidly edited back and forth", and that women generally are misrepresented in their Wikipedia biographies because the "internet is being written by men with an agenda." [9]
The widespread commentary on the interview, reached even a British journalist-training company, MediaFirst, who commented that "Cathy Newman’s repeated use of the expression ‘so what you’re saying is...’ (23 times) has been clipped up, mashed up and spat out in various forms all over the internet' and 'a hefty accusation thrown at Newman ... she was ‘straw-manning’ Jordan Peterson: trying to misrepresent what he was saying in order to make it easier to score points against him. ' in their article 'That 'so what you are saying is...' interview and how to avoid it' [13].
An article about the Interview hit the Top 10 most read article of 2018 [14] in the British magazine The Spectator; an article written by Douglas Murray, title: 'Cathy Newman’s catastrophic interview with Jordan Peterson'.
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References
Iqbal
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Likhodi
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).One editor keeps removing this sentence: "He [Peterson] also said that he wanted to warn people about the dangers of benzodiazepines (the class of drugs that includes clonazepam), calling their use "catastrophic"." This is on the grounds that it violates WP:WEIGHT, apparently. Now, first of all, there's nothing controversial about stating that benzodiazepines are dangerous - there are two (!) articles just about addiction to them: benzodiazepine dependence and benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome. Beyond that, though, I don't think "undue weight" applies here anyway: Peterson's views may be undue in an article about benzodiazepines, but in an article about Jordan Peterson they are quite merited. Korny O'Near ( talk) 14:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
The source clearly states long-term usage. I've amended the sentence to match the source [1] --- Pinging: - Mark D Worthen PsyD, Korny O'Near, Grayfell -- Somedifferentstuff ( talk) 16:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
The URL in source No. 144 contains a facebook tracking parameter in the end. I propose to remove this and replace the current url ( https://nationalpost.com/news/things-are-not-good-right-now-jordan-peterson-battling-covid-19-u-k-paper-reports?fbclid=IwAR3IKm-mIURlHeeEqg8OwpwD7q4SCqTXvlJm-qI-UnpLmOo9u-Ap59wkLr0) with a shorter and non-tracking url ( https://nationalpost.com/news/things-are-not-good-right-now-jordan-peterson-battling-covid-19-u-k-paper-reports). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hleutloff ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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It seems to me that the interview warrants it's own section - In fact, are there any good reasons against that?
The 16 January 2018 Interview on Channel 4 News - has been watched 21.4m times on Youtube, to date. For a 'mere' UK news item, that it is a big audience. No other Channel 4 News piece has been watched more (excluding a comedy / verbal stunt by a weather man): https://www.youtube.com/user/Channel4News/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid
On the entire Channel 4 channel on Youtube - only 3 non-News programs have had more views: https://www.youtube.com/user/Channel4/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid. The publicity from the Interview in the UK, helped raise Peterson's prominence - there was alot of coverage of him in the serious UK newspapers for over a year after that.
E.g. just fire-hosing some examples: these 3 events - none of which are mentioned in the current page: January 2018 - BBC's Radio 5 Live's 'HeadLiners' interview - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p05w1hjw January 2018 - TheGuardian newspaper book review - https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jan/21/jordan-peterson-self-help-author-12-steps-interview
And later: May 2018 he was: a) interviewed by Maajid Nawaz, on London's LBC radio - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBfT38xbhU b) a guest on BBC Radio 4's 'Start the Week' show - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b2gsct c) interviewed on BBC Radio 3's Free Thinking ptogramme: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3fk63
June 2018 -The Guardian 'What the left gets wrong about Jordan Peterson' opinion piece - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/22/what-the-left-gets-wrong-about-jordan-peterson
August 2018 the BBC's HARDtalk weekly TV show interviewed him - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufopNY5PO1U. - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cswj8s
September 2018 - is included in BBC's 'Morality in the 21st Century' radio series by UK chief rabbi Jonathan Sacks
November 2018 the BBC invited him as a panel member to the weekly political program Question Time: where he commented on knife crime and the Brexit referendum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j13KnahU3U
January 2019 BBC's 'Radio 5 Live' station (youth audience) - interview him with the young members of a Boxing gym in Manchester (North England) https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06xlz1l CanterburyUK ( talk) 21:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Most videos on YouTube are anonymous, self-published, and unverifiable, and should not be used at all. Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability. However, many YouTube videos from unofficial accounts are copyright violations and should not be linked from Wikipedia, according to WP:COPYLINK. See also WP:YOUTUBE and WP:VIDEOLINK.
|------------ Proposed content is: --------------------------
Two years on, an interview with Peterson is the second-most watched item on the 4th-oldest British TV channel Channel 4 News' YouTube channel at 21.4m viewings [1]: their 16th January 2018 interview by long serving Channel 4 journalist Cathy Newman [2].
Even across the entire Channel Four's Youtube channel, which includes much celebrity and popular programming, only 3 non-news programs have had more than 21m viewings [3].
The Cathy Newman interview became a viral phenomenon on YouTube, by the 21st January it had been viewed 2 million times and attracted nearly 50,000 comments. Newman's interview contributed to increasing Peterson's prominence in the UK where he was later invited onto various BBC current affairs programs [4] [5].
Newman herself declared on Twitter that she had “thoroughly enjoyed” the “bout” with Peterson [6].
But many commenters were critical of Cathy Newman, saying she was a “social justice warrior” with a preconceived and misplaced grasp of Peterson's views. [6] [7]
The New York Times columnist David Brooks said that Newman had "distorted, simplified and restated Peterson's views to make them appear offensive and cartoonish" [8].
Writing for The Guardian, Nosheen Iqbal stated that Peterson had made "broad generalisations on male and female behaviour" and that he denied the existence of the gender pay gap "as a qualitative fact". [9] Channel 4 News editor Ben de Pear said that the station had called in security specialists in response to social-media abuse and threats directed against her. [10] [11] [12] Following the interview, Newman observed that her Wikipedia page had "been rapidly edited back and forth", and that women generally are misrepresented in their Wikipedia biographies because the "internet is being written by men with an agenda." [9]
The widespread commentary on the interview, reached even a British journalist-training company, MediaFirst, who commented that "Cathy Newman’s repeated use of the expression ‘so what you’re saying is...’ (23 times) has been clipped up, mashed up and spat out in various forms all over the internet' and 'a hefty accusation thrown at Newman ... she was ‘straw-manning’ Jordan Peterson: trying to misrepresent what he was saying in order to make it easier to score points against him. ' in their article 'That 'so what you are saying is...' interview and how to avoid it' [13].
An article about the Interview hit the Top 10 most read article of 2018 [14] in the British magazine The Spectator; an article written by Douglas Murray, title: 'Cathy Newman’s catastrophic interview with Jordan Peterson'.
|------------ End of Proposed content -------------------------- CanterburyUK ( talk) 20:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
References
Iqbal
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Likhodi
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).One editor keeps removing this sentence: "He [Peterson] also said that he wanted to warn people about the dangers of benzodiazepines (the class of drugs that includes clonazepam), calling their use "catastrophic"." This is on the grounds that it violates WP:WEIGHT, apparently. Now, first of all, there's nothing controversial about stating that benzodiazepines are dangerous - there are two (!) articles just about addiction to them: benzodiazepine dependence and benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome. Beyond that, though, I don't think "undue weight" applies here anyway: Peterson's views may be undue in an article about benzodiazepines, but in an article about Jordan Peterson they are quite merited. Korny O'Near ( talk) 14:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
The source clearly states long-term usage. I've amended the sentence to match the source [1] --- Pinging: - Mark D Worthen PsyD, Korny O'Near, Grayfell -- Somedifferentstuff ( talk) 16:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
The URL in source No. 144 contains a facebook tracking parameter in the end. I propose to remove this and replace the current url ( https://nationalpost.com/news/things-are-not-good-right-now-jordan-peterson-battling-covid-19-u-k-paper-reports?fbclid=IwAR3IKm-mIURlHeeEqg8OwpwD7q4SCqTXvlJm-qI-UnpLmOo9u-Ap59wkLr0) with a shorter and non-tracking url ( https://nationalpost.com/news/things-are-not-good-right-now-jordan-peterson-battling-covid-19-u-k-paper-reports). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hleutloff ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 10 August 2020 (UTC)