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Apparently Bob Dylan's song "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" was written about his death, (says so in the article about the song anyway). Is this true? If so should it be added as trivia? Everytime 13:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
That song has nothing to do with St. Jonah. Frjohnwhiteford 17:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I thought as much. I was trying hard to make a connection with the lyrics but it made no sense at all! Everytime 13:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason why Vegaswikian wishes to remove this category from this article?
"Category:Saints"
Frjohnwhiteford 05:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Frjohnwhiteford seems to have copied this para:
"In 1918 the Revolution forced the young hieromonk to leave Kazan. He was arrested by the communists and suffered beatings to the point of loss of consciousness, and imprisonment. Thus, sharing the fate of the New Confessors of Russia, by God's providence Hieromonk Jonah was freed by the White Army, which was situated beyond the Ural Mountains. Having been quickly raised to the rank of Igumen, he was assigned as the senior priest of the southern volunteer troops. With the army of Ataman Dutov, Fr. Jonah withdrew to the borders of Western China, being subjected to all kinds of hardships while crossing the Pamir cliffs, often forced to grab on to jagged ledges and the sparse shrubbery of the ice covered cliffs with wounded hands. After crossing the Gobi Desert, they finally reached Beijing, where Fr. Jonah was received into the Ecclesiastical Mission there and soon consecrated bishop for Manzhuria [St. Jonah was officially the bishop of Hankou, in the Hubei province, but actually ministered and worked in the town of Manzhuria]."
...and possibly others from this website. It was based on a text by Vera Kencis which was published in Orthodox Life. The site claims copyright. Is there a good explanation? Malick78 ( talk) 12:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
"Bishop Jonah had been caring for a priest who died of typhoid fever. He himself contracted chronic tonsillitis[...]
Due to complications, Bishop Jonah developed blood poisoning. His doctor suggested he avail himself of the archbishop's presence to have confession and partake of the Holy Mysteries. Bishop Jonah understood that his hours were numbered. After having communed himself, he went into his study and typed out his final testament: [...]
Meanwhile, a moleben for the health of the Bishop was being served in the church. There one could hear the insistent cries of the children: "Dear God, please, do not take away our Vladyka!"
Returning to his room, Bishop Jonah individually blessed those tearfully crowded in his quarters. He then put on the epitrachilion and cuffs which had belonged to Elder Ambrose of Optina and began loudly and with prostrations, to read the canon for the departure of the soul. He asked to be buried in his white, embroidered vestments, simply, without pomp. Then, overcome with weakness, he lay down on his bed: "God's will be done. Now I shall die." He then was given a cross and candle to hold and died within minutes, surrounded by many of his close friends.[...]
A ten year old boy, Nicholas Dergachev, who was crippled, had been suffering from an inflammation of the knee joints. Efforts to straighten his legs caused unbearable pain. It was impossible for him to stand, much less walk. Early one morning he had a dream. A hierarch vested in white appeared to him and said, "Here, take my legs. I don't need them anymore. And give me yours." The boy woke up, miraculously healed. From a photograph he identified the hierarch in his dream as Bishop Jonah, who had died that very night, October 7/20, 1925."
Basically, I'd recommend deleting the article and starting again. Alternatively, the only things worth keeping would be the intro and categories. Thoughts? Malick78 ( talk) 19:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
"Under guidelines for non-free content, brief selections of copyrighted text may be used, but only with full attribution and only when the purpose is to comment on or criticize the text quoted." (my bolding)
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In the edit summaries, the question was asked when St. John made the statement about St. Jonah that is quoted in the article. He was Bishop of Shanghai from 1934 to 1946... and so it would have been during that time. The point of the quote is to show that he was being spoken of as a saint in China during that time... and the fact that he was glorified as a saint in 1996 shows that his memory endured long after his repose. Frjohnwhiteford ( talk) 21:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Prior to the Bolshevik Revolution, Russia's civil calendar was the same as the Church calendar. St. Jonah reposed after the calendar change. In the Menaion or in a menologion, his feast would be listed under October 7th. You are not going to find the old calendar date listed for saints prior to the calendar change precisely because the date that is listed actually is the Julian Calendar date, rather than the Gregorian Calendar. You will see the Old Calendar date for Nicholas II of Russia, for example. Frjohnwhiteford ( talk) 20:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
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Apparently Bob Dylan's song "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" was written about his death, (says so in the article about the song anyway). Is this true? If so should it be added as trivia? Everytime 13:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
That song has nothing to do with St. Jonah. Frjohnwhiteford 17:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I thought as much. I was trying hard to make a connection with the lyrics but it made no sense at all! Everytime 13:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason why Vegaswikian wishes to remove this category from this article?
"Category:Saints"
Frjohnwhiteford 05:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Frjohnwhiteford seems to have copied this para:
"In 1918 the Revolution forced the young hieromonk to leave Kazan. He was arrested by the communists and suffered beatings to the point of loss of consciousness, and imprisonment. Thus, sharing the fate of the New Confessors of Russia, by God's providence Hieromonk Jonah was freed by the White Army, which was situated beyond the Ural Mountains. Having been quickly raised to the rank of Igumen, he was assigned as the senior priest of the southern volunteer troops. With the army of Ataman Dutov, Fr. Jonah withdrew to the borders of Western China, being subjected to all kinds of hardships while crossing the Pamir cliffs, often forced to grab on to jagged ledges and the sparse shrubbery of the ice covered cliffs with wounded hands. After crossing the Gobi Desert, they finally reached Beijing, where Fr. Jonah was received into the Ecclesiastical Mission there and soon consecrated bishop for Manzhuria [St. Jonah was officially the bishop of Hankou, in the Hubei province, but actually ministered and worked in the town of Manzhuria]."
...and possibly others from this website. It was based on a text by Vera Kencis which was published in Orthodox Life. The site claims copyright. Is there a good explanation? Malick78 ( talk) 12:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
"Bishop Jonah had been caring for a priest who died of typhoid fever. He himself contracted chronic tonsillitis[...]
Due to complications, Bishop Jonah developed blood poisoning. His doctor suggested he avail himself of the archbishop's presence to have confession and partake of the Holy Mysteries. Bishop Jonah understood that his hours were numbered. After having communed himself, he went into his study and typed out his final testament: [...]
Meanwhile, a moleben for the health of the Bishop was being served in the church. There one could hear the insistent cries of the children: "Dear God, please, do not take away our Vladyka!"
Returning to his room, Bishop Jonah individually blessed those tearfully crowded in his quarters. He then put on the epitrachilion and cuffs which had belonged to Elder Ambrose of Optina and began loudly and with prostrations, to read the canon for the departure of the soul. He asked to be buried in his white, embroidered vestments, simply, without pomp. Then, overcome with weakness, he lay down on his bed: "God's will be done. Now I shall die." He then was given a cross and candle to hold and died within minutes, surrounded by many of his close friends.[...]
A ten year old boy, Nicholas Dergachev, who was crippled, had been suffering from an inflammation of the knee joints. Efforts to straighten his legs caused unbearable pain. It was impossible for him to stand, much less walk. Early one morning he had a dream. A hierarch vested in white appeared to him and said, "Here, take my legs. I don't need them anymore. And give me yours." The boy woke up, miraculously healed. From a photograph he identified the hierarch in his dream as Bishop Jonah, who had died that very night, October 7/20, 1925."
Basically, I'd recommend deleting the article and starting again. Alternatively, the only things worth keeping would be the intro and categories. Thoughts? Malick78 ( talk) 19:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
"Under guidelines for non-free content, brief selections of copyrighted text may be used, but only with full attribution and only when the purpose is to comment on or criticize the text quoted." (my bolding)
References
In the edit summaries, the question was asked when St. John made the statement about St. Jonah that is quoted in the article. He was Bishop of Shanghai from 1934 to 1946... and so it would have been during that time. The point of the quote is to show that he was being spoken of as a saint in China during that time... and the fact that he was glorified as a saint in 1996 shows that his memory endured long after his repose. Frjohnwhiteford ( talk) 21:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Prior to the Bolshevik Revolution, Russia's civil calendar was the same as the Church calendar. St. Jonah reposed after the calendar change. In the Menaion or in a menologion, his feast would be listed under October 7th. You are not going to find the old calendar date listed for saints prior to the calendar change precisely because the date that is listed actually is the Julian Calendar date, rather than the Gregorian Calendar. You will see the Old Calendar date for Nicholas II of Russia, for example. Frjohnwhiteford ( talk) 20:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
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