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Jonah Goldberg is a neoconservative, not a conservative. -- HowardJ87 02:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Jonah Goldberg is a neocon / neoliberal. He outright rejects the traditional notion of conservatism, i.e. the value-centered historicism of Burke and De Maistre, and wants to replace real conservatism with Jacobin abstractions.
See: http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/first_universal_goldberg.htm http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/pope.htm and http://www.vdare.com/williamson/goldberg.htm -- HowardJ87 03:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Paleocons have long cited National Review columnist and well-known Mama’s boy Jonah Goldberg as the epitome of all they find contemptible in the “new” (i.e. neocon-ized) conservative movement: Paul Gottfried coined the term “Goldbergism” to describe what has replaced the old conservatism of Frank S.Meyer and Russell Kirk in the pages of National Review. Whatever else we paleos disagree about – and, not being a party-lining, neo-Trotskyite cult, we often disagree about many things – we can all agree on one overriding principle: Jonah Goldberg represents All That Has Gone Wrong. Or, as Paul Gottfried so memorably put it: “Goldbergism – The Lowest (Terminal) Stage of Conservatism.” [1]
Jonah Goldberg most closesly resembles neoliberalism with some seriously healthy doses of social-liberal oposition which are most aligned with fascism (pro corporatism, populism, nationalism, militarism)-- please refer to the definition of fascism on wikipedia. Neoliberals have done their best to destroy the word "liberal" so they often go by the misnomer "neoconservative". The Bush administration is as a whole neoliberal but many identifiy themselves as neoconservative. for a definition of neoliberalism please see "neoliberalism" on wikipedia. The argument he calls himself conservative so he must be conservative does not hold water. I could call myself Che Guerva but it doesn't make it so. To call Mr. Goldberg a conservative you would need references other than Mr. Goldberg himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gisforgary ( talk • contribs) 12:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
His video blog is located at http://www.nationalreview.com/video/archives/ It should be added as a link at the bottom.
It looks like the user at IP Address 69.3.236.144 Really has some personal beefs with Jonah Goldberg, as displayed by his repeated vandalism of this article.
I'm still pretty new to Wikipedia. What is the process to go through to have a user blocked from editing a specific article? If anyone can help out with that, it would be great! -- WAHooker July 7, 2005 12:19 (UTC)
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I took out 3 sentences that I felt both had innaccurate information and didn't contribute anything. Goldberg and Sullivan disagree about many issues aside from the aforementioned social issues (Iraq and Bush spring to mind). The line about Goldberg having no experience in government and political organizations seemed gratutious (and is also wrong, he worked at the AEI). The 'Mendoza' line is fun, but pointless. Maybe if it was connected to Simpsons references? Makgraf 01:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that he was entirely serious with the "invasion of Africa" thing. I think it was more of a thought experiment. How can that be reworded - or is it even important to include in the article at all? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.36.138.30 ( talk • contribs) .
Goldberg advised Tripp to record her phone calls as a precaution against reprisals. Given that they hadn't happened then we should be talking about possible reprisals (i.e. that could happen) rather than saying "the reprisals". Makgraf 05:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Should Jonah's father Sidney be referred to, at least to begin with, by his full name? Also, would it be better to talk in a little more detail about what he did? (He wrote for TechCentralStation.com, at least. Does anyone else know more about where he worked?) BLHersey 02:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't it make more sense to provide a link to his author archive-at either NRO or Townhall.com-instead of linking to individual essays or columns he's written? Ruthfulbarbarity 17:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I added his attacks on liberals and Democrats, in 2006 over 25% of his columns contained these. Getterstraight 20:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Two new facts were put on the page recently one about Coulter and one about a Pinochet option for Iraq. I believe they are both true but the do need citations. Master shepherd 21:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
A bunch of new info was put up on the frequent topics section with no citation. I deleted the stuff that was clearly not NPOV the rest I marked as citation needed. If they don't get cited soon I am going to delete them. Master shepherd 23:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
216.59.249.73 16:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Remember WP:NPOV when putting things in the article! Makgraf 18:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm a little confused why the new sources are "more reputable citations" than the existing ones. We have Goldberg saying he'll make a bet which has the citation where Goldberg says he'll make the bet. Then we have Cole rejecting the bet which has the citation where Cole rejects the bet. Why would retrospective articles 2 years later be "more reputable" than the actual sources. They just seem redundant. Makgraf 01:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
As an FYI to people who are watching this page I am not rv this because the anonymous editor is saying mean things or disagreeing with me but because he is using homophobic slurs which is expressly forbidden in WP:NPA. Now I'm not personally offended by this but this sort of thing has no place on wikipedia. The implication that being gay is bad is a hatefull one and could create a chilling effect which could marginalize people in that community. Makgraf 02:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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Does Jonah Goldberg have any relation with another conservative commentator Bernard Goldberg? Wooyi Talk, Editor review 03:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Jonah has apparently decided to write book a where he compares liberals to Nazis on the basis of their shared love of homosexuals, animal rights, vegetarian diets and socialist policies, among other things.
Now I don't actually know what an article needs to do to qualify for deletion, but surely you Wiki editiors have included some "More trouble than it's worth" clause. I think you are going to have a very interesting editing time ahead of you, you poor bastards LOL. Attriti0n ( talk) 12:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I have removed a sentence from one paragraph because it is editorializing for the purpose of presenting JG's opinions in a negative, an unfavorable, and a caricatural view. In that paragraph, then ("He has recently published a column supporting finding an "Iraqi Augusto Pinochet" to bring stability to Iraq, stating that "Pinochet's abuses helped create a civil society". [1] Pinochet was responsible for the murder, torture, and disappearances of thousands of Chileans. [3]") I have removed the final sentence and link ("Pinochet was responsible for the murder, torture, and disappearances of thousands of Chileans. [4]").
The sentence not only goes into a different subject than the bio that is concerned here, it does so in a way that suggests that in Chile, everything was going (more or less) swell and dandy and that the country was embarked on a road to (earthly) paradise, when suddenly, out of the blue, a demented general ( Pinochet) went berserk and did nothing if not bring chaos upon his country (this, needless to say, is akin to the Michael Moore view of Saddam Hussein's Iraq).
That sentence ignores the fact that, in the views of at least in a number of Chileans (and foreigners), Salvador Allende (elected or otherwise) was embarking his country on the same path that brought one-party statedom, disaster, and repression (not to speak of "murder, torture, and disappearances") to countries such as East Germany, Romania, and (neighboring) Cuba.
Not that this sentence (and the hyperlink) do not necessarily belong on Wikipedia at all. But it doesn't belong on JG's page, in my view; integrate them on Pinochet's entry. If the reader wants to find out more from this short para, let him put his cursor over the hyperlinked name of Augusto Pinochet and use the power of the click. Asteriks ( talk) 12:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
References
Is Goldberg editing his own Wikipedia page? The only source provided for this claim was a link to Keppler Speakers, which books Goldberg for speaking engagements, and which merely asserted this "fact" without any corroboration. That's like saying Kraft Dinner is the cheesiest because you saw it in a Kraft commercial.
Come on people, this isn't the National Review, citations need to conform to some basic standard of truthiness.
Review Wikipedia's guidelines on citing sources if you need help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lexington50 ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps the 'official editors' of Wikipedia (which seems to be a self-elected position) could put equal thought in at least attempting to conceal their outright liberal bias. Seriously, using the National Review as a put-down AND a Stephen Colbert reference, all in one paragraph? Couldn't be clearer.
There is a disagreement over how to phrase this indiviuals "conservatism" in the lead. At the least, it should go after nationality. Also, can it be sourced? Also, if applicable, I like how this "situation" is handled by the Sean Hannity bio. Anyways, I will not revert(for now) since the editor has called my edit a bad faith edit by good faith editor which beats troll any day :) Cheers! Tom 02:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
It must be considered an oversight that this WIkipedia profile of the extremist Jonah Goldberg does not have a "controversy" section. Lets just start with the latest scandal where Jonah ponders how to take out Julian Assange. One must questions someone's ethics when they start advocating publicly for assassinating people with other opinion. Why is Assange still alive? Andrisig ( talk) 16:21, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
A quick check of bloggingheads.tv shows he made one appearance on BHTV in 2011, none in 2012, and 4 in 2010 (quite tapered off from earlier years) so I'd say his "frequent contributions" lasted up to 2010 at most.
Re "Web TV" program with Peter Beinart called "What's your problem", I can only find instances of this in 2007, and here in 2008:
http://www.claremontconservative.com/2008_07_07_archive.html
a conservative source refers to the probram as "ill-fated". HalMorris ( talk) 00:15, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
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Why the absurd comment about a fellow Republican? Makes no common sense. 2603:9009:C04:A1EE:45DE:AA08:92DA:FA65 ( talk) 01:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
The current text (5/13/23) says, "Goldberg did not volunteer that The Dispatch was funded in part by the Conservative billionaire benefactor." This assertion is provided without any reference. I can find no corroborating information on Wikipedia, including its page on The Dispatch, or anywhere on the internet. Where corroborating information is provided, in order to avoid the sense that this more than a snide insinuation, it would be desirable that there is some indication of how much money was provided or what fraction of the startup costs were covered by Crow's contribution. Bjpowers57276 ( talk) 14:04, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Jonah Goldberg is a neoconservative, not a conservative. -- HowardJ87 02:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Jonah Goldberg is a neocon / neoliberal. He outright rejects the traditional notion of conservatism, i.e. the value-centered historicism of Burke and De Maistre, and wants to replace real conservatism with Jacobin abstractions.
See: http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/first_universal_goldberg.htm http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/pope.htm and http://www.vdare.com/williamson/goldberg.htm -- HowardJ87 03:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Paleocons have long cited National Review columnist and well-known Mama’s boy Jonah Goldberg as the epitome of all they find contemptible in the “new” (i.e. neocon-ized) conservative movement: Paul Gottfried coined the term “Goldbergism” to describe what has replaced the old conservatism of Frank S.Meyer and Russell Kirk in the pages of National Review. Whatever else we paleos disagree about – and, not being a party-lining, neo-Trotskyite cult, we often disagree about many things – we can all agree on one overriding principle: Jonah Goldberg represents All That Has Gone Wrong. Or, as Paul Gottfried so memorably put it: “Goldbergism – The Lowest (Terminal) Stage of Conservatism.” [1]
Jonah Goldberg most closesly resembles neoliberalism with some seriously healthy doses of social-liberal oposition which are most aligned with fascism (pro corporatism, populism, nationalism, militarism)-- please refer to the definition of fascism on wikipedia. Neoliberals have done their best to destroy the word "liberal" so they often go by the misnomer "neoconservative". The Bush administration is as a whole neoliberal but many identifiy themselves as neoconservative. for a definition of neoliberalism please see "neoliberalism" on wikipedia. The argument he calls himself conservative so he must be conservative does not hold water. I could call myself Che Guerva but it doesn't make it so. To call Mr. Goldberg a conservative you would need references other than Mr. Goldberg himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gisforgary ( talk • contribs) 12:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
His video blog is located at http://www.nationalreview.com/video/archives/ It should be added as a link at the bottom.
It looks like the user at IP Address 69.3.236.144 Really has some personal beefs with Jonah Goldberg, as displayed by his repeated vandalism of this article.
I'm still pretty new to Wikipedia. What is the process to go through to have a user blocked from editing a specific article? If anyone can help out with that, it would be great! -- WAHooker July 7, 2005 12:19 (UTC)
What is the purpose of the Juan Cole link? --
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I took out 3 sentences that I felt both had innaccurate information and didn't contribute anything. Goldberg and Sullivan disagree about many issues aside from the aforementioned social issues (Iraq and Bush spring to mind). The line about Goldberg having no experience in government and political organizations seemed gratutious (and is also wrong, he worked at the AEI). The 'Mendoza' line is fun, but pointless. Maybe if it was connected to Simpsons references? Makgraf 01:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that he was entirely serious with the "invasion of Africa" thing. I think it was more of a thought experiment. How can that be reworded - or is it even important to include in the article at all? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.36.138.30 ( talk • contribs) .
Goldberg advised Tripp to record her phone calls as a precaution against reprisals. Given that they hadn't happened then we should be talking about possible reprisals (i.e. that could happen) rather than saying "the reprisals". Makgraf 05:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Should Jonah's father Sidney be referred to, at least to begin with, by his full name? Also, would it be better to talk in a little more detail about what he did? (He wrote for TechCentralStation.com, at least. Does anyone else know more about where he worked?) BLHersey 02:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't it make more sense to provide a link to his author archive-at either NRO or Townhall.com-instead of linking to individual essays or columns he's written? Ruthfulbarbarity 17:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I added his attacks on liberals and Democrats, in 2006 over 25% of his columns contained these. Getterstraight 20:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Two new facts were put on the page recently one about Coulter and one about a Pinochet option for Iraq. I believe they are both true but the do need citations. Master shepherd 21:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
A bunch of new info was put up on the frequent topics section with no citation. I deleted the stuff that was clearly not NPOV the rest I marked as citation needed. If they don't get cited soon I am going to delete them. Master shepherd 23:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
216.59.249.73 16:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Remember WP:NPOV when putting things in the article! Makgraf 18:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm a little confused why the new sources are "more reputable citations" than the existing ones. We have Goldberg saying he'll make a bet which has the citation where Goldberg says he'll make the bet. Then we have Cole rejecting the bet which has the citation where Cole rejects the bet. Why would retrospective articles 2 years later be "more reputable" than the actual sources. They just seem redundant. Makgraf 01:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
As an FYI to people who are watching this page I am not rv this because the anonymous editor is saying mean things or disagreeing with me but because he is using homophobic slurs which is expressly forbidden in WP:NPA. Now I'm not personally offended by this but this sort of thing has no place on wikipedia. The implication that being gay is bad is a hatefull one and could create a chilling effect which could marginalize people in that community. Makgraf 02:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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Does Jonah Goldberg have any relation with another conservative commentator Bernard Goldberg? Wooyi Talk, Editor review 03:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Jonah has apparently decided to write book a where he compares liberals to Nazis on the basis of their shared love of homosexuals, animal rights, vegetarian diets and socialist policies, among other things.
Now I don't actually know what an article needs to do to qualify for deletion, but surely you Wiki editiors have included some "More trouble than it's worth" clause. I think you are going to have a very interesting editing time ahead of you, you poor bastards LOL. Attriti0n ( talk) 12:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I have removed a sentence from one paragraph because it is editorializing for the purpose of presenting JG's opinions in a negative, an unfavorable, and a caricatural view. In that paragraph, then ("He has recently published a column supporting finding an "Iraqi Augusto Pinochet" to bring stability to Iraq, stating that "Pinochet's abuses helped create a civil society". [1] Pinochet was responsible for the murder, torture, and disappearances of thousands of Chileans. [3]") I have removed the final sentence and link ("Pinochet was responsible for the murder, torture, and disappearances of thousands of Chileans. [4]").
The sentence not only goes into a different subject than the bio that is concerned here, it does so in a way that suggests that in Chile, everything was going (more or less) swell and dandy and that the country was embarked on a road to (earthly) paradise, when suddenly, out of the blue, a demented general ( Pinochet) went berserk and did nothing if not bring chaos upon his country (this, needless to say, is akin to the Michael Moore view of Saddam Hussein's Iraq).
That sentence ignores the fact that, in the views of at least in a number of Chileans (and foreigners), Salvador Allende (elected or otherwise) was embarking his country on the same path that brought one-party statedom, disaster, and repression (not to speak of "murder, torture, and disappearances") to countries such as East Germany, Romania, and (neighboring) Cuba.
Not that this sentence (and the hyperlink) do not necessarily belong on Wikipedia at all. But it doesn't belong on JG's page, in my view; integrate them on Pinochet's entry. If the reader wants to find out more from this short para, let him put his cursor over the hyperlinked name of Augusto Pinochet and use the power of the click. Asteriks ( talk) 12:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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Is Goldberg editing his own Wikipedia page? The only source provided for this claim was a link to Keppler Speakers, which books Goldberg for speaking engagements, and which merely asserted this "fact" without any corroboration. That's like saying Kraft Dinner is the cheesiest because you saw it in a Kraft commercial.
Come on people, this isn't the National Review, citations need to conform to some basic standard of truthiness.
Review Wikipedia's guidelines on citing sources if you need help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lexington50 ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps the 'official editors' of Wikipedia (which seems to be a self-elected position) could put equal thought in at least attempting to conceal their outright liberal bias. Seriously, using the National Review as a put-down AND a Stephen Colbert reference, all in one paragraph? Couldn't be clearer.
There is a disagreement over how to phrase this indiviuals "conservatism" in the lead. At the least, it should go after nationality. Also, can it be sourced? Also, if applicable, I like how this "situation" is handled by the Sean Hannity bio. Anyways, I will not revert(for now) since the editor has called my edit a bad faith edit by good faith editor which beats troll any day :) Cheers! Tom 02:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
It must be considered an oversight that this WIkipedia profile of the extremist Jonah Goldberg does not have a "controversy" section. Lets just start with the latest scandal where Jonah ponders how to take out Julian Assange. One must questions someone's ethics when they start advocating publicly for assassinating people with other opinion. Why is Assange still alive? Andrisig ( talk) 16:21, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
A quick check of bloggingheads.tv shows he made one appearance on BHTV in 2011, none in 2012, and 4 in 2010 (quite tapered off from earlier years) so I'd say his "frequent contributions" lasted up to 2010 at most.
Re "Web TV" program with Peter Beinart called "What's your problem", I can only find instances of this in 2007, and here in 2008:
http://www.claremontconservative.com/2008_07_07_archive.html
a conservative source refers to the probram as "ill-fated". HalMorris ( talk) 00:15, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
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Why the absurd comment about a fellow Republican? Makes no common sense. 2603:9009:C04:A1EE:45DE:AA08:92DA:FA65 ( talk) 01:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
The current text (5/13/23) says, "Goldberg did not volunteer that The Dispatch was funded in part by the Conservative billionaire benefactor." This assertion is provided without any reference. I can find no corroborating information on Wikipedia, including its page on The Dispatch, or anywhere on the internet. Where corroborating information is provided, in order to avoid the sense that this more than a snide insinuation, it would be desirable that there is some indication of how much money was provided or what fraction of the startup costs were covered by Crow's contribution. Bjpowers57276 ( talk) 14:04, 13 May 2023 (UTC)