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Is there a reason that the 3-piece photo of Romero, Nicholson and Ledger was removed? It seemed like a very useful photo with very clear imagery of the facial and clothing design of the character in each incarnation, a similar tiled image is used in the Superman in other media article. In particular it has been replaced by a side-shot of Nicholson which doesn't really detail anything about the character except from the side. If you aren't using the 3-piece I'd recommend at least using the pictures that form it as they were incredibly fitting and descriptive of the character in each medium Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 00:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
If anything is trivia certainly it's the OnStar commercial and the one-time actors. Wikipedia has a Category:Batman_fan_films which either needs to be filled out with the more relevant productions such as the ones I added today or deleted entirely I guess if the rule is that junk nobody's seen which has a corporate approval stamp on it's butt gets on wikipedia while junk nobody's seen that doesn't have a corporate approval butt stamp gets deleted. -- Nerd42 ( talk) 00:11, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Somebody needs to start an actual link farm, so that the oft-repeated mantra "Wikipedia is not a link farm" will have some meaning. The issue here is that Wikipedia, in general, is pretty arbitrary and random in how and if it's rules are enforced. If I wanted to get something mentioned or included, I would have to fight, fight, fight and keep fighting for it to be included and stay included, and what that does to the actual content is pretty lousy because most of the time no one cares enough to fight to make the site better. Unsourced crap gets to stay on hundreds of articles on obscure subjects for years with a simple "this article needs sources" tag on it, while in other articles, it's just randomly deleted by the Wiki Police. Accessibility of Real People - people who aren't dedicated Wikipedia contributors prepared to wage war to get their edits to stay - actually contributing seems to be approaching nill these days, unless you find an obscure subject and stay under the radar. Apparently this isn't obscure enough of a subject. Ho-hum. -- Nerd42 ( talk) 05:09, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
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The man involved in the shooting identified himself as The Joker when he was arrested, is it worth noting somewhere here, because in the main article it doesn't fit and as the news is media should it be here.Sean 16:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Is it me, or is the section on Brave and the Bold WAY too long, with too much detail? Any objections to shortening it? dstumme ( talk) 21:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Jerome's character is at least somewhat based on the Joker and showrunner Bruno Heller stated that the introduction of Jerome's character is and I quote "the true beginning of the Joker saga — the first page of the first chapter of the story that brings the villain known as Joker to life. And that’s what I’ll say about that!” 1 Combine that with the fact that the Joker link was sourced to begin with, there is absolutely no reason NOT to include Jerome in the Gotham section. Darkknight2149 — Preceding undated comment added 03:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
So, until Bruno says, 'Cameron Monghan is playing the Joker', we cannot add him as such. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 16:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Joker in other media's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Jolin1":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:26, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I want to start this off by saying that we are doing great. I think this messy article has come a long way in the last couple of days. However, what I want to address is the current edit war regarding the word "antagonist." To quote Wikipedia guidelines (more specifically WP:ANTAGONIST):
As you can see, we can't place such labels on the character. Darkknight2149 ( talk) 13:17, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
The backstory piece you keep adding is pretty interesting. It adds information about the "character" that the current copy mostly focusing on Ledger's performance perhaps does not. That being said, it needs credible sources in order to be kept on Wikipedia. I'm also a little concerned that most of the copy appears to be a near-direct copy paste of one or more non-Wikipedia "Batman Wiki" sites. The content appears to be original research with no reliable sources. You have gone well beyond the 3RR. Let's talk about it here or I think the next step is blocking to avoid further disruption. Belltoes ( talk) 20:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
@ Belltoes @ Darkwarriorblake The user has now been reported at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#108.26.174.18 reported by User:Darkknight2149. Darkknight2149 ( talk) 14:24, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I strongly suspect that 173.48.97.100 is either a sock puppet or a meatpuppet of 108.26.174.18, who has been blocked several times for edit warring on this article, on The Joker (The Dark Knight) and on Sith. Not only is 173.48.97.100 editing the same articles as 108.26.174.18, but the user just attempted to further the same edit war as 108.26.174.18 here and here.
This is not the first time that 108.26.174.18 has used sock puppets. The user commonly uses 108.49.185.106. I will be paying close attention to all of these IPs. If anything gets out of hand, I will be filing a sock report. In the meantime, I'd suggest watching out for edit warring on any of the mentioned articles. Dark Knight 2149 23:03, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I would like to add that besides the fact that a lot of Joker's description in the Arkham section of his appearances is unsourced, I don't know why a big fuss is being made of the description I added to his role in Arkham Knight. Besides Joker following Batman around everywhere in the story, he clearly also manipulates his perception of the real world and the very environment he is in. Billboards and statues all around Gotham City will have Joker's face in them, and thugs on the streets will randomly turn into him every now and then. Please stop changing my edits. ( 186.154.31.245 ( talk) 18:45, 15 January 2016 (UTC))
I've removed the following section to the discussion page for reference work:
This section has been a magnet for trivia and OR, and it shouldn't return to the article without heavy amounts of references. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 05:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
The show hasn't directly stated if Jerome Valeska is the Joker or not (though, to be honest, I doubt he is). That being said, directly stating he is or isn't violates WP:OR. I think we should just leave the Gotham section as ambiguous in this regard as possible or to just remove it until we get official answers. Dark Knight 2149 19:05, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Dark Knight 2149 03:06, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
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...why exactly was this revert made? Especially without an edit summary? Everything stated in my edit was true, and while some may argue that Origins Blackgate isn't as big of a game as the others in its series, it is indeed a canon entry and is significant enough to warrant more than a mere mention. I personally think my explanation was warranted, since that game is its own thing with its own story. Furthermore, the expanded explanations of this games's events are also mentioned here and here, so my main intent was to make things consistent. Hopefully that clears things up. --- The Pastrami-Eating Bulldog 04:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
I agree that Cameron Monaghan's "J" from Gotham should be included in the infobox image among the major actors that have portrayed the Joker. However, I believe that the pictures of Jerome and Jeremiah should be removed. Jerome has, on many occasions, been confirmed to not be the Joker; he was merely the series' early homage to the character.
The photo of Jeremiah, on the other hand, is redundant given that Jeremiah and J are essentially the same character, the only difference being that J retains scattered memories of his past as Jeremiah. For comparison, Jack Nicholson's Joker is obviously in the infobox image but his previous persona as Jack Napier is not, as including Napier would be redundant.
Lastly, this article is exclusively for media adaptations of the Joker; characters that take inspiration from or pay homage to him are not truly the Joker. As far as Warner Bros. and DC Entertainment are concerned, the only "official" iteration of the Joker on Gotham is J in the series finale, as evidenced by his inclusion in DC's Put on a Happy Face celebratory video for the character's 80th anniversary. It is because of these points mention that the photos of Jerome and pre-J Jeremiah should be removed. JokEobard ( talk) 16:59, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
The redirect Arthur Feck has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 20 § Arthur Feck until a consensus is reached. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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Is there a reason that the 3-piece photo of Romero, Nicholson and Ledger was removed? It seemed like a very useful photo with very clear imagery of the facial and clothing design of the character in each incarnation, a similar tiled image is used in the Superman in other media article. In particular it has been replaced by a side-shot of Nicholson which doesn't really detail anything about the character except from the side. If you aren't using the 3-piece I'd recommend at least using the pictures that form it as they were incredibly fitting and descriptive of the character in each medium Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 00:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
If anything is trivia certainly it's the OnStar commercial and the one-time actors. Wikipedia has a Category:Batman_fan_films which either needs to be filled out with the more relevant productions such as the ones I added today or deleted entirely I guess if the rule is that junk nobody's seen which has a corporate approval stamp on it's butt gets on wikipedia while junk nobody's seen that doesn't have a corporate approval butt stamp gets deleted. -- Nerd42 ( talk) 00:11, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Somebody needs to start an actual link farm, so that the oft-repeated mantra "Wikipedia is not a link farm" will have some meaning. The issue here is that Wikipedia, in general, is pretty arbitrary and random in how and if it's rules are enforced. If I wanted to get something mentioned or included, I would have to fight, fight, fight and keep fighting for it to be included and stay included, and what that does to the actual content is pretty lousy because most of the time no one cares enough to fight to make the site better. Unsourced crap gets to stay on hundreds of articles on obscure subjects for years with a simple "this article needs sources" tag on it, while in other articles, it's just randomly deleted by the Wiki Police. Accessibility of Real People - people who aren't dedicated Wikipedia contributors prepared to wage war to get their edits to stay - actually contributing seems to be approaching nill these days, unless you find an obscure subject and stay under the radar. Apparently this isn't obscure enough of a subject. Ho-hum. -- Nerd42 ( talk) 05:09, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
An image used in this article, File:JokerMHBTAS.jpg, has been nominated for speedy deletion for the following reason: All Wikipedia files with unknown copyright status
Don't panic; you should have time to contest the deletion (although please review deletion guidelines before doing so). The best way to contest this form of deletion is by posting on the image talk page.
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The man involved in the shooting identified himself as The Joker when he was arrested, is it worth noting somewhere here, because in the main article it doesn't fit and as the news is media should it be here.Sean 16:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Is it me, or is the section on Brave and the Bold WAY too long, with too much detail? Any objections to shortening it? dstumme ( talk) 21:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Jerome's character is at least somewhat based on the Joker and showrunner Bruno Heller stated that the introduction of Jerome's character is and I quote "the true beginning of the Joker saga — the first page of the first chapter of the story that brings the villain known as Joker to life. And that’s what I’ll say about that!” 1 Combine that with the fact that the Joker link was sourced to begin with, there is absolutely no reason NOT to include Jerome in the Gotham section. Darkknight2149 — Preceding undated comment added 03:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
So, until Bruno says, 'Cameron Monghan is playing the Joker', we cannot add him as such. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 16:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Joker in other media's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Jolin1":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:26, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I want to start this off by saying that we are doing great. I think this messy article has come a long way in the last couple of days. However, what I want to address is the current edit war regarding the word "antagonist." To quote Wikipedia guidelines (more specifically WP:ANTAGONIST):
As you can see, we can't place such labels on the character. Darkknight2149 ( talk) 13:17, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
The backstory piece you keep adding is pretty interesting. It adds information about the "character" that the current copy mostly focusing on Ledger's performance perhaps does not. That being said, it needs credible sources in order to be kept on Wikipedia. I'm also a little concerned that most of the copy appears to be a near-direct copy paste of one or more non-Wikipedia "Batman Wiki" sites. The content appears to be original research with no reliable sources. You have gone well beyond the 3RR. Let's talk about it here or I think the next step is blocking to avoid further disruption. Belltoes ( talk) 20:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
@ Belltoes @ Darkwarriorblake The user has now been reported at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#108.26.174.18 reported by User:Darkknight2149. Darkknight2149 ( talk) 14:24, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I strongly suspect that 173.48.97.100 is either a sock puppet or a meatpuppet of 108.26.174.18, who has been blocked several times for edit warring on this article, on The Joker (The Dark Knight) and on Sith. Not only is 173.48.97.100 editing the same articles as 108.26.174.18, but the user just attempted to further the same edit war as 108.26.174.18 here and here.
This is not the first time that 108.26.174.18 has used sock puppets. The user commonly uses 108.49.185.106. I will be paying close attention to all of these IPs. If anything gets out of hand, I will be filing a sock report. In the meantime, I'd suggest watching out for edit warring on any of the mentioned articles. Dark Knight 2149 23:03, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I would like to add that besides the fact that a lot of Joker's description in the Arkham section of his appearances is unsourced, I don't know why a big fuss is being made of the description I added to his role in Arkham Knight. Besides Joker following Batman around everywhere in the story, he clearly also manipulates his perception of the real world and the very environment he is in. Billboards and statues all around Gotham City will have Joker's face in them, and thugs on the streets will randomly turn into him every now and then. Please stop changing my edits. ( 186.154.31.245 ( talk) 18:45, 15 January 2016 (UTC))
I've removed the following section to the discussion page for reference work:
This section has been a magnet for trivia and OR, and it shouldn't return to the article without heavy amounts of references. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 05:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
The show hasn't directly stated if Jerome Valeska is the Joker or not (though, to be honest, I doubt he is). That being said, directly stating he is or isn't violates WP:OR. I think we should just leave the Gotham section as ambiguous in this regard as possible or to just remove it until we get official answers. Dark Knight 2149 19:05, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Dark Knight 2149 03:06, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 19:21, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
...why exactly was this revert made? Especially without an edit summary? Everything stated in my edit was true, and while some may argue that Origins Blackgate isn't as big of a game as the others in its series, it is indeed a canon entry and is significant enough to warrant more than a mere mention. I personally think my explanation was warranted, since that game is its own thing with its own story. Furthermore, the expanded explanations of this games's events are also mentioned here and here, so my main intent was to make things consistent. Hopefully that clears things up. --- The Pastrami-Eating Bulldog 04:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
I agree that Cameron Monaghan's "J" from Gotham should be included in the infobox image among the major actors that have portrayed the Joker. However, I believe that the pictures of Jerome and Jeremiah should be removed. Jerome has, on many occasions, been confirmed to not be the Joker; he was merely the series' early homage to the character.
The photo of Jeremiah, on the other hand, is redundant given that Jeremiah and J are essentially the same character, the only difference being that J retains scattered memories of his past as Jeremiah. For comparison, Jack Nicholson's Joker is obviously in the infobox image but his previous persona as Jack Napier is not, as including Napier would be redundant.
Lastly, this article is exclusively for media adaptations of the Joker; characters that take inspiration from or pay homage to him are not truly the Joker. As far as Warner Bros. and DC Entertainment are concerned, the only "official" iteration of the Joker on Gotham is J in the series finale, as evidenced by his inclusion in DC's Put on a Happy Face celebratory video for the character's 80th anniversary. It is because of these points mention that the photos of Jerome and pre-J Jeremiah should be removed. JokEobard ( talk) 16:59, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
The redirect Arthur Feck has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 20 § Arthur Feck until a consensus is reached. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)