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Reviewer: SilkTork ( talk · contribs) 01:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I'll start reading over the next few days and then begin to make comments. I am normally a slow reviewer - if that is likely to be a problem, please let me know as soon as possible. I tend to directly do copy-editing and minor improvements as I'm reading the article rather than list them here; if there is a lot of copy-editing to be done I may suggest getting a copy-editor (on the basis that a fresh set of eyes is helpful). Anything more significant than minor improvements I will raise here. I see the reviewer's role as collaborative and collegiate, so I welcome discussion regarding interpretation of the criteria. SilkTork ✔Tea time
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Appreciate the effort and thanks for the review. Some unusual requests, but I'll deal with them in due course. I would appreciate it if, rather than changing things, we could do it the more traditional route. Reviewer makes comment-discuss-then maybe change. I have a big problem with title changes which look terrible and totally inappropriate. Moreover, they are contrary to ever single fighter pilot article I have done to date. I realise I have taken out some of the changes that will definitely will be required, but I will put them back in as and when. Thanks again. Dapi89 ( talk) 23:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
There is copyvio. I just took one phrase at random: "Johnson's first contact with enemy fighters did not go as planned" - this is word for word as it appears in Johnnie Johnson: Spitfire Top Gun. Unless you admit to this and do something about this, then I will close this review as a fail and report this article as a copyright violation. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Review on hold until concerns regarding copyvio are resolved. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:22, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
The bit I can't correct is regarding which book has been used for sourcing: Dilip Sarkar says, "Secondly, your author references my book 'Spitfire Top Gun', Amberley, 2011. This is wrong. 'Johnnie Johnson: Spitfire Top Gun, Part One, was published by Ramrod Publications in 2002; 'Johnnie Johnson: Spitfire Top Gun, Part Two', by Victory Books in 2005. The book to which your author refers is actually 'Spitfire Ace of Aces: The True Wartime Story of Johnnie Johnson', Amberley, 2011." Could that be checked and amended as appropriate. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:10, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
And where are we regarding the photos? SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Those two minor issues are all that remains. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:15, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
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Could someone with access to the source Sarkar for the quote in the 'Squadron leader to wing commander' section check that "...day. As the number of 190s increased, so the depth of our penetrations deceased. They ..." is a correct transcription. The word 'deceased' is questioned. If correct should (sic) be inserted somewhere? SovalValtos ( talk) 18:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
The opening paragraph refers to Johnson as a qualified engineer. This should surely read civil engineer. To describe a person as an engineer means many things and nothing. In the US a reader may think this a train (locomotive) driver. In the UK many people with think this a person who repairs things. Better educated will probably think of a mechanical engineer a person who designs machines or an electrical engineer - designing electrical control / distribution systems etc. A civil engineer designs earthwork systems like drainage, flood relief, highways, building landscape work etc. I propose for qualification the words "civil engineer" is used in the first paragraph to give a broader opener.
I agree. Further down the article however what was the nature of his course at Nottingham. Was it a degree in civil engineering or the course leading to the Professional Exam? Or both? I am not sure if the first of these existed then. And was the institution University College Nottingham then? Spinney Hill ( talk) 18:34, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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Burleigh: I don't have the source but I think the wrong Burleigh has been entered here so I have changed it. I think that must be Burghley Park (note the spelling.) RAF Wittering is some 100 miles from Burliegh, Berkshire- a long way on a horse. Burghley is very close. Burghley is also a more logical training place for the Leicestershire Yeomanry. It is a little over 30 miles east of Leicester and twenty five miles south east of Johnson's home in Melton Mowbray. There is also Burley on the Hill in Rutland but Burghley seems the most logical place meant. I suspect Burleigh is a common spelling mistake locally. The three names are pronounced the same. If anybody has the source or better information and definitely can show the Berkshire place is correct by all means change it back. Spinney Hill ( talk) 14:06, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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Reviewer: SilkTork ( talk · contribs) 01:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I'll start reading over the next few days and then begin to make comments. I am normally a slow reviewer - if that is likely to be a problem, please let me know as soon as possible. I tend to directly do copy-editing and minor improvements as I'm reading the article rather than list them here; if there is a lot of copy-editing to be done I may suggest getting a copy-editor (on the basis that a fresh set of eyes is helpful). Anything more significant than minor improvements I will raise here. I see the reviewer's role as collaborative and collegiate, so I welcome discussion regarding interpretation of the criteria. SilkTork ✔Tea time
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
Appreciate the effort and thanks for the review. Some unusual requests, but I'll deal with them in due course. I would appreciate it if, rather than changing things, we could do it the more traditional route. Reviewer makes comment-discuss-then maybe change. I have a big problem with title changes which look terrible and totally inappropriate. Moreover, they are contrary to ever single fighter pilot article I have done to date. I realise I have taken out some of the changes that will definitely will be required, but I will put them back in as and when. Thanks again. Dapi89 ( talk) 23:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
There is copyvio. I just took one phrase at random: "Johnson's first contact with enemy fighters did not go as planned" - this is word for word as it appears in Johnnie Johnson: Spitfire Top Gun. Unless you admit to this and do something about this, then I will close this review as a fail and report this article as a copyright violation. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Review on hold until concerns regarding copyvio are resolved. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:22, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
The bit I can't correct is regarding which book has been used for sourcing: Dilip Sarkar says, "Secondly, your author references my book 'Spitfire Top Gun', Amberley, 2011. This is wrong. 'Johnnie Johnson: Spitfire Top Gun, Part One, was published by Ramrod Publications in 2002; 'Johnnie Johnson: Spitfire Top Gun, Part Two', by Victory Books in 2005. The book to which your author refers is actually 'Spitfire Ace of Aces: The True Wartime Story of Johnnie Johnson', Amberley, 2011." Could that be checked and amended as appropriate. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:10, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
And where are we regarding the photos? SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Those two minor issues are all that remains. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:15, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
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Could someone with access to the source Sarkar for the quote in the 'Squadron leader to wing commander' section check that "...day. As the number of 190s increased, so the depth of our penetrations deceased. They ..." is a correct transcription. The word 'deceased' is questioned. If correct should (sic) be inserted somewhere? SovalValtos ( talk) 18:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
The opening paragraph refers to Johnson as a qualified engineer. This should surely read civil engineer. To describe a person as an engineer means many things and nothing. In the US a reader may think this a train (locomotive) driver. In the UK many people with think this a person who repairs things. Better educated will probably think of a mechanical engineer a person who designs machines or an electrical engineer - designing electrical control / distribution systems etc. A civil engineer designs earthwork systems like drainage, flood relief, highways, building landscape work etc. I propose for qualification the words "civil engineer" is used in the first paragraph to give a broader opener.
I agree. Further down the article however what was the nature of his course at Nottingham. Was it a degree in civil engineering or the course leading to the Professional Exam? Or both? I am not sure if the first of these existed then. And was the institution University College Nottingham then? Spinney Hill ( talk) 18:34, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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Burleigh: I don't have the source but I think the wrong Burleigh has been entered here so I have changed it. I think that must be Burghley Park (note the spelling.) RAF Wittering is some 100 miles from Burliegh, Berkshire- a long way on a horse. Burghley is very close. Burghley is also a more logical training place for the Leicestershire Yeomanry. It is a little over 30 miles east of Leicester and twenty five miles south east of Johnson's home in Melton Mowbray. There is also Burley on the Hill in Rutland but Burghley seems the most logical place meant. I suspect Burleigh is a common spelling mistake locally. The three names are pronounced the same. If anybody has the source or better information and definitely can show the Berkshire place is correct by all means change it back. Spinney Hill ( talk) 14:06, 13 February 2023 (UTC)