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This is not the place for "probably"s. If there's no reference for it, it should go. -- Doug ( talk) 19:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
This is unsourced and not likely to be true. It is contradicted by the statements on either side of it - that John was imprisoned from 1214 to 1218. -- Doug ( talk) 01:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
This should come before the imprisonment. Giles died in 1215. -- Doug ( talk) 01:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- so I'll make the above changes.-- Doug ( talk) 01:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
...probably not 1175. Need to research more accurate date of birth. Probably 1183 or 1182, not earlier than 1181. Mahiselman ( talk) 02:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
- On the Wikipedia page for Richard de Clare, her father, Maud's birthdate is given as ca. 1184. Until a reference is found for a more accurate date it might be best, at least for consistency, to use the same date here. Doug ( at Wiki) 10:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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This is not the place for "probably"s. If there's no reference for it, it should go. -- Doug ( talk) 19:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
This is unsourced and not likely to be true. It is contradicted by the statements on either side of it - that John was imprisoned from 1214 to 1218. -- Doug ( talk) 01:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
This should come before the imprisonment. Giles died in 1215. -- Doug ( talk) 01:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- so I'll make the above changes.-- Doug ( talk) 01:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
...probably not 1175. Need to research more accurate date of birth. Probably 1183 or 1182, not earlier than 1181. Mahiselman ( talk) 02:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
- On the Wikipedia page for Richard de Clare, her father, Maud's birthdate is given as ca. 1184. Until a reference is found for a more accurate date it might be best, at least for consistency, to use the same date here. Doug ( at Wiki) 10:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC)