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Does anyone known which Farringdon this page should be linling to from Plate #79? MRSC • Talk 23:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
What about Ogilby's America? I have read it was in its day the most complete atlas of North and South America.
I have created a redirect article to the Britannia section, Britannia (1675 atlas). I have marked it as "with possibilities" since there is already enough material in this article to populate it. The only question really is whether a WP:SPLIT would be appropriate: for the moment I think not but if the section continues to develop, that could change.
BTW, the somewhat clunky disambiguation string "1676 atlas" is needed because there is also a series of atlases from 1720 called Britannia Depicta. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 18:52, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I reverted a good-faith edit by User:Scruppy Two because I suspect that they are correcting what looks like a mis-spelling in the article. I suggest that they need to go back to the source, report Ogilby's spelling as he wrote it (for ex, Brecon should be shown as "Brecknock"). He wrote "Llanebeder vunneth", which needs a more evidenced translation. See his map. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
This is not to say that the current version is correct either, it probably is not, just that the change needs evidence. -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I think that this article could achieve GA with a few more citations. So I have tagged to obvious ones that will stand in the way. Let the citation hunt begin! 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:16, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
The "lottery winnings" story comes from Ogilby himself: he told it to his biographer John Aubrey. Ereira considers it too good to be true and suggests that it actually came from Ogilby's (suspected) natural father, the 6th Lord Ogilvie of Airlie (or at least so says the FT book review).
P D A Harvey's review review Ereira's book in the Antiquaries Journal repeats Aubrey's version without any reference to Ereira's doubts about its veracity.
So would it be best to draw a veil over that whole episode of his life? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 23:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Text and/or other creative content from this version of John Ogilby was copied or moved into List of plates in Ogilby's "Britannia" with this edit on 17:34, 7 August 2023. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
-- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 17:52, 7 August 2023 (UTC) 2023 (UTC)
I have renamed the new article as simply Ogilby's "Britannia" because it is already more than just a list of plates. -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 10:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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This catalogue of studies associated with dance was written by Sir George Buck of the Middle Temple at exactly the time Ogilby his indentures. Buck was arguing that the Inns of Court were as much a university as Oxford or Cambridge, and it was dancing masters who were playing the part of dons. Buck w the Master of the Revels. The Revels were serious stuff.Tempting though it is, I thought it too off-topic to include that detail. But I thought it might interest readers to see the original but it's not a showstopper if you consider it undue.
Van Eerde reads the location given on the horoscope as "Kellemeane" and is unable to identify any place of that or similar name on any maps of the timeSo, Done
pages=
but only gave one page. I had best verify all the citations in the article.) I'll send you a pic while I'm doing P5.
pages=119–126
for the whole paragraph would read better? DoneXref the notes above the 1615 source, there are a few other cases (such as the Ashmole horoscope) where I have cited the original MS or publication. Should I (a) let them stand (b) give as "original source, cited in Van Eerde (1976) p=12345" or (c) just Van Eerde (1976) p=12345? -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 17:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
In May 1626, he is recorded as holding the rank of lieutenant in the army of Count Mansfield,
With his known Royalist sympathies,[41] he was a risk to potential patrons who needed to avoid offending the Puritan Commonwealth government.[42]
Thus, at about the age of 70 and with the scientific advice of Robert Hooke,[58] he began work on the project for which he is perhaps best known among cartographers, Britannia.["Among cartographers" is now cited, added to the Britannia section.]
His Britannia, the first road atlas of England and Wales to be based on actual surveys and measurements and drawn to scale, is noted among cartographers for these innovations.and added a supporting citation
sfnp
:* A lieutenant etc is not a quote, the deathly prose is all mine.
(no, it is Ereira's quote from the State Papers)
Ereira (2016), p. 346 "These pages established the 8-furlong mile as the national unit of distance and the one-inch-to-a-mile mapping standard, which was used by the British Ordnance Survey until the 1970s".
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Overall: @ JMF: Good article, but the article doesn't state that it was the first road atlas of its kind. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 00:56, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
There is no "original" text by Aesop in Greek for Ogilby's version to be "five times longer than". I suggest going back to your source to check what he really said. Sweetpool50 ( talk) 09:54, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
@ JMF:, I'm afraid the correction in the text is reprehensibly ambiguous with its talk of 'the usual editions'. A quick glance at Ogilby's work itself (available online) reveals voluminous side-notes, some of which quote the Phaedrus Latin version - but that's only one of his possible sources. What I take as Ereira's telegraphese strikes me as supremely silly. Ogilby expands his sources by set design and a description of in what ways he is doing so, and why, would be far more helpful. For over a decade, using two editorial names, I did a lot of work on individual fables but only came by Ogilby's work very late in the process. For that reason I didn't study it as closely as I should have done. And I know nothing of the Latin (school?) collections that he might have consulted. If he doesn't cite them in the notes to his version of the fables, then we're bound as WP editors not to make unsourced conjectures or comparisons. And if Ereira sheds no useful light on the question, then perhaps he should be ignored. Sweetpool50 ( talk) 23:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Agreed! Sweetpool50 ( talk) 09:28, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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Does anyone known which Farringdon this page should be linling to from Plate #79? MRSC • Talk 23:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
What about Ogilby's America? I have read it was in its day the most complete atlas of North and South America.
I have created a redirect article to the Britannia section, Britannia (1675 atlas). I have marked it as "with possibilities" since there is already enough material in this article to populate it. The only question really is whether a WP:SPLIT would be appropriate: for the moment I think not but if the section continues to develop, that could change.
BTW, the somewhat clunky disambiguation string "1676 atlas" is needed because there is also a series of atlases from 1720 called Britannia Depicta. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 18:52, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I reverted a good-faith edit by User:Scruppy Two because I suspect that they are correcting what looks like a mis-spelling in the article. I suggest that they need to go back to the source, report Ogilby's spelling as he wrote it (for ex, Brecon should be shown as "Brecknock"). He wrote "Llanebeder vunneth", which needs a more evidenced translation. See his map. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
This is not to say that the current version is correct either, it probably is not, just that the change needs evidence. -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I think that this article could achieve GA with a few more citations. So I have tagged to obvious ones that will stand in the way. Let the citation hunt begin! 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:16, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
The "lottery winnings" story comes from Ogilby himself: he told it to his biographer John Aubrey. Ereira considers it too good to be true and suggests that it actually came from Ogilby's (suspected) natural father, the 6th Lord Ogilvie of Airlie (or at least so says the FT book review).
P D A Harvey's review review Ereira's book in the Antiquaries Journal repeats Aubrey's version without any reference to Ereira's doubts about its veracity.
So would it be best to draw a veil over that whole episode of his life? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 23:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Text and/or other creative content from this version of John Ogilby was copied or moved into List of plates in Ogilby's "Britannia" with this edit on 17:34, 7 August 2023. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
-- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 17:52, 7 August 2023 (UTC) 2023 (UTC)
I have renamed the new article as simply Ogilby's "Britannia" because it is already more than just a list of plates. -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 10:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Vanamonde93 ( talk · contribs) 23:14, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
I'll take this one. Comments to follow.
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This catalogue of studies associated with dance was written by Sir George Buck of the Middle Temple at exactly the time Ogilby his indentures. Buck was arguing that the Inns of Court were as much a university as Oxford or Cambridge, and it was dancing masters who were playing the part of dons. Buck w the Master of the Revels. The Revels were serious stuff.Tempting though it is, I thought it too off-topic to include that detail. But I thought it might interest readers to see the original but it's not a showstopper if you consider it undue.
Van Eerde reads the location given on the horoscope as "Kellemeane" and is unable to identify any place of that or similar name on any maps of the timeSo, Done
pages=
but only gave one page. I had best verify all the citations in the article.) I'll send you a pic while I'm doing P5.
pages=119–126
for the whole paragraph would read better? DoneXref the notes above the 1615 source, there are a few other cases (such as the Ashmole horoscope) where I have cited the original MS or publication. Should I (a) let them stand (b) give as "original source, cited in Van Eerde (1976) p=12345" or (c) just Van Eerde (1976) p=12345? -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 17:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
In May 1626, he is recorded as holding the rank of lieutenant in the army of Count Mansfield,
With his known Royalist sympathies,[41] he was a risk to potential patrons who needed to avoid offending the Puritan Commonwealth government.[42]
Thus, at about the age of 70 and with the scientific advice of Robert Hooke,[58] he began work on the project for which he is perhaps best known among cartographers, Britannia.["Among cartographers" is now cited, added to the Britannia section.]
His Britannia, the first road atlas of England and Wales to be based on actual surveys and measurements and drawn to scale, is noted among cartographers for these innovations.and added a supporting citation
sfnp
:* A lieutenant etc is not a quote, the deathly prose is all mine.
(no, it is Ereira's quote from the State Papers)
Ereira (2016), p. 346 "These pages established the 8-furlong mile as the national unit of distance and the one-inch-to-a-mile mapping standard, which was used by the British Ordnance Survey until the 1970s".
The result was: promoted by
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 16:47, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by JMF ( talk). Self-nominated at 18:58, 1 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/John Ogilby; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @ JMF: Good article, but the article doesn't state that it was the first road atlas of its kind. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 00:56, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
There is no "original" text by Aesop in Greek for Ogilby's version to be "five times longer than". I suggest going back to your source to check what he really said. Sweetpool50 ( talk) 09:54, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
@ JMF:, I'm afraid the correction in the text is reprehensibly ambiguous with its talk of 'the usual editions'. A quick glance at Ogilby's work itself (available online) reveals voluminous side-notes, some of which quote the Phaedrus Latin version - but that's only one of his possible sources. What I take as Ereira's telegraphese strikes me as supremely silly. Ogilby expands his sources by set design and a description of in what ways he is doing so, and why, would be far more helpful. For over a decade, using two editorial names, I did a lot of work on individual fables but only came by Ogilby's work very late in the process. For that reason I didn't study it as closely as I should have done. And I know nothing of the Latin (school?) collections that he might have consulted. If he doesn't cite them in the notes to his version of the fables, then we're bound as WP editors not to make unsourced conjectures or comparisons. And if Ereira sheds no useful light on the question, then perhaps he should be ignored. Sweetpool50 ( talk) 23:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Agreed! Sweetpool50 ( talk) 09:28, 16 September 2023 (UTC)