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Donald Mackay was not a politician at the time of his death, so his death should not be in the same category as Newman's. As far as I know, Newman was the first serving politician to be killed. Peter Kocan attempted to kill Arthur Calwell, but only succeeded in wounding him. JackofOz 06:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I've had a look at this article and believe the following would be appropriate in the lead: "His assassination was the first confirmed murder of a serving Australian political figure which was politically motivated, and the first such crime to be successfully prosecuted as such."
I cannot agree with the current lead of "He was the first politician to be assassinated in Australia" as that simple statement of fact is bought into doubt with the note attached to it. Also, as discussed above, the wording needs to be considered carefully - as it stands, other politicians have been killed before, although the motive could not be always proven to be political - even in Newman's case, the motive was said by some to be criminal rather than simply political in motivation. Donald Mackay is discussed about, but really should be said to be the victim of a organised crime hit rather than an assassination per se. The killing of Justice Opas in 1980 could be said to be politically motivated in that it attacked or sought to change Family Law in Australia, and certainly under the legislation of the time the act would be described in the same vein as a terrorist action. Are diplomats considered to be politicians by extension (representative of their government?) - Then the statement is also challenged with the assassination of Sarik Ariyak in 1980 as well. So in short I feel the statement is not clear enough, nor specifically accurate enough, especially under WP:FACT. I will make this edit in a week or so if there is no further discussion. Akitora ( talk) 13:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Looks like the developments dug up by Four Corners and broadcast (script etc at http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2008/s2208164.htm ) this month would point to a taking a close look at the article again, as well as that of Phuong_Ngo with updates. As far as notoriety is concerned, the article certainly as written in the lead shows the assassination is pretty much what people remember him for. It's also what Phuong_Ngo is known for. Given the size of both articles and the unlikely possibility of the being enough information on either man to complete their bio to FA status, prehaps a new article - the Newman Assassination or the like, should be written and both these articles merged to it until they grow enough to look at making them stand alone again. Akitora ( talk) 05:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 17:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I have moved following comment from front page (don't know the truth of it)-- Grahamec 12:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC): Phuong Ngo was not a night club owner. He set up the Mekong Club, a community social club, specifically for the Vietnamese community, similar to an RSL Club or a Leagues Club. It has since been bought by Penrith Leagues Club and is still open.
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Donald Mackay was not a politician at the time of his death, so his death should not be in the same category as Newman's. As far as I know, Newman was the first serving politician to be killed. Peter Kocan attempted to kill Arthur Calwell, but only succeeded in wounding him. JackofOz 06:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I've had a look at this article and believe the following would be appropriate in the lead: "His assassination was the first confirmed murder of a serving Australian political figure which was politically motivated, and the first such crime to be successfully prosecuted as such."
I cannot agree with the current lead of "He was the first politician to be assassinated in Australia" as that simple statement of fact is bought into doubt with the note attached to it. Also, as discussed above, the wording needs to be considered carefully - as it stands, other politicians have been killed before, although the motive could not be always proven to be political - even in Newman's case, the motive was said by some to be criminal rather than simply political in motivation. Donald Mackay is discussed about, but really should be said to be the victim of a organised crime hit rather than an assassination per se. The killing of Justice Opas in 1980 could be said to be politically motivated in that it attacked or sought to change Family Law in Australia, and certainly under the legislation of the time the act would be described in the same vein as a terrorist action. Are diplomats considered to be politicians by extension (representative of their government?) - Then the statement is also challenged with the assassination of Sarik Ariyak in 1980 as well. So in short I feel the statement is not clear enough, nor specifically accurate enough, especially under WP:FACT. I will make this edit in a week or so if there is no further discussion. Akitora ( talk) 13:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Looks like the developments dug up by Four Corners and broadcast (script etc at http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2008/s2208164.htm ) this month would point to a taking a close look at the article again, as well as that of Phuong_Ngo with updates. As far as notoriety is concerned, the article certainly as written in the lead shows the assassination is pretty much what people remember him for. It's also what Phuong_Ngo is known for. Given the size of both articles and the unlikely possibility of the being enough information on either man to complete their bio to FA status, prehaps a new article - the Newman Assassination or the like, should be written and both these articles merged to it until they grow enough to look at making them stand alone again. Akitora ( talk) 05:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 17:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I have moved following comment from front page (don't know the truth of it)-- Grahamec 12:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC): Phuong Ngo was not a night club owner. He set up the Mekong Club, a community social club, specifically for the Vietnamese community, similar to an RSL Club or a Leagues Club. It has since been bought by Penrith Leagues Club and is still open.
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