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I think we may need to look at the reason for the appointemnt as KCB again, "No. 19638". The London Gazette. 20 July 1838. merely lists him among a group of appointemtns made to mark Victoria's coronation. David Underdown ( talk) 15:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Other captains, like Samuel Sutton never received any honours during their lifetime, having died before the decision was made to recognise Copenhagen. In short while captains in other notable battles and engagements had received honours, medals and places on the list of the general appointments to the chivalric orders, those at Copenhagen did not. Lawford was the only captain who lived long enough to receive the award, made in the batch submitted for Victoria's coronation. Benea ( talk) 15:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)Medals for Copenhagen, were, consequently, never given; and only one of the Captains who were in that battle lived to receive an honorary reward specifically for his gallantry on that occasion - namely, Admiral John Lawford, who was made a Knight Commander of the Bath in August 1838.'
Thank you for your full explanation ... it convinces me. Now I think about it they might give someone famous today an honour and its only really public knowledge as to why they got it. Thx again Victuallers ( talk) 22:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
The last two sentences of the intro are:
"He received further promotions throughout his long life, and the award of the KCB for his actions at Copenhagen, the only captain who fought at the battle to receive any honours related to it. He died three years later at the age of 86, having by then spent 65 years serving the navy."
It took me a while to understand what the intended meaning probably is. As it stands now my first interpretation was this: Something happened to him, the only captain who fought at this battle. Three years later, namely after this battle, he died. Which is clearly contradictory to his death date. The intended meaning probably is: He received some honours, and here some trivia info. Three years later, namely after receiving these honors, he died. There is no date given for when he received his honors, further promoting this misconception.
I suggest a change similar to this:
"He received further promotions throughout his long life, and as the only captain who fought at the battle of Copenhagen to receive any honours related to it, he was awarded the KCB in [insert correct date]. He died three years later etc."
Now the parts logically belonging together stand next to each other. 2003:CA:A745:2834:E84E:E918:B44D:CF70 ( talk) 23:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
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I think we may need to look at the reason for the appointemnt as KCB again, "No. 19638". The London Gazette. 20 July 1838. merely lists him among a group of appointemtns made to mark Victoria's coronation. David Underdown ( talk) 15:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Other captains, like Samuel Sutton never received any honours during their lifetime, having died before the decision was made to recognise Copenhagen. In short while captains in other notable battles and engagements had received honours, medals and places on the list of the general appointments to the chivalric orders, those at Copenhagen did not. Lawford was the only captain who lived long enough to receive the award, made in the batch submitted for Victoria's coronation. Benea ( talk) 15:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)Medals for Copenhagen, were, consequently, never given; and only one of the Captains who were in that battle lived to receive an honorary reward specifically for his gallantry on that occasion - namely, Admiral John Lawford, who was made a Knight Commander of the Bath in August 1838.'
Thank you for your full explanation ... it convinces me. Now I think about it they might give someone famous today an honour and its only really public knowledge as to why they got it. Thx again Victuallers ( talk) 22:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
The last two sentences of the intro are:
"He received further promotions throughout his long life, and the award of the KCB for his actions at Copenhagen, the only captain who fought at the battle to receive any honours related to it. He died three years later at the age of 86, having by then spent 65 years serving the navy."
It took me a while to understand what the intended meaning probably is. As it stands now my first interpretation was this: Something happened to him, the only captain who fought at this battle. Three years later, namely after this battle, he died. Which is clearly contradictory to his death date. The intended meaning probably is: He received some honours, and here some trivia info. Three years later, namely after receiving these honors, he died. There is no date given for when he received his honors, further promoting this misconception.
I suggest a change similar to this:
"He received further promotions throughout his long life, and as the only captain who fought at the battle of Copenhagen to receive any honours related to it, he was awarded the KCB in [insert correct date]. He died three years later etc."
Now the parts logically belonging together stand next to each other. 2003:CA:A745:2834:E84E:E918:B44D:CF70 ( talk) 23:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)