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Kerry's Health Care plan is a big part of his election campaign, and there should be at least some information up under "issue stances", probably under a separate section.
Given that Kerry's selected Edwards for his running mate, I've made a few edits to the VP section reflecting that. However, I'm unsure how to proceed with the section in general - how do we want to archive the VP selection process? -- Goobergunch 13:24, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Cecropia, by your argument, any alternative in all of history that was contemplated but wasn't picked would be irrelevant. Isn't that a bit extreme? Rich 00:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
"Kerry opposes the death penalty, but has recently stated that he would support it in the case of convicted terrorists."
Surely that means he supports it? Markalexander100 09:27, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
He voted for a version of the $87 billion appropriations bill that required spending cuts in other areas in order to offset the huge cost, but that version never made it onto the floor of the full Senate. The Bushies are absolutely fanatical about driving the nation further and further into debt, to the point where they won't even consider rolling back their precious tax cuts or cutting some of the fat off bloated defense spending bills. SS451 23:30, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)
Well, he certainly was happy to deal out the death penalty to a fleeing Viet Cong, in the back, so I suppose he would have no problem with the American Death Penalty.
"Kerry has long stated his opposition to the death penalty, but has recently stated that he would support it in the case of convicted terrorists."
I moved this article from Presidential campaign of John Kerry to 2004 presidential campaign of John Kerry to be parallel to the W. page. ( 2004 presidential campaign of George W. Bush -- Seth Ilys 03:45, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
For the sake of grammarians everywhere, please change the title to 2004 presidential campaign of John Kerry. Or, at the very least, change it to John Kerry's presidential campaign of 2004 (which sounds worse, but at least is grammatically correct). The current title does not sound like the creation of a native English speaker. Moncrief 05:23, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)
I seek your input at Wikipedia:WikiProject POTUS Campaigns. Please come weigh in on what to name articles about presidential campaigns. jengod 23:09, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)
Of course, this is an issue which would surely have to be decided by the Supreme Court if it became a reality, but here are a few observations, strictly FYI and for the entertainment value.
Why?
Kerry's grandfather James Grant Forbes was born in Shanghai into the Forbes family of opium traders, but ironically, Sen. Kerry has not publicly repudiated his own family legacy in drug dealing in this campaign, although he has used his Forbes family inheritance to extend his campaign against Gov. Dean in 2003.
Essentially - the opium wealth that has financed Kerry will become a campaign issue just like the accused-ill-gotten bootleg wealth of Kennedys made it a campaign issue in the earlier JFK race. Kerry's 2002 trust inheritance and offshore estates (France; ties to trust that owns Cape Cod islands; etc) will become issues. Is Forbes Kerry tougher on drug dealers than on his own grandfather's fortune? What are his feelings toward Chinese (trade) and vice versa (will they like an Opium dealer scion to head U.S.? Why did he personally attack Bush for vague Noriega connections, and are his own ties to drug trafficking acceptable topic for reporters? All good questions.
We seen the same thing with Bush. His grandfather had Nazi connections, and just about every Democrat has used this to their own political advantage against Bush. But with Kerry, these same Democrats say nothing.
The main thing is that both Democrats and Republicans reek of enough hypocrisy it makes me sick. It reminds me of what Jesus Christ said about the Phairsees of old:
So much of the above verses in the bible could be applied in so many ways to not only Bush, but to John Kerry as well.
(was: Kerry thinks I'm not married??)
This is in the "Gay Rights" entry:
What? Is that true? Is there a citation for that? Legal marriage in the U.S. is a function of the States, not of relgious institutions. Only the State where you are married confers the right to marry--the State sets the requirements and issues the license. The relgious ceremony is optional, and the priest or minister can only marry by the power vested in him by the State.
My wife and I were married in a civil ceremony by our own choice. Wait until I tell my kids we've only been domestic partners for the last 20 years. -- Cecropia 21:54, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Today I made a change to some of the wording in this section, based on the notion that a "right" is inherent/inalienable and is thus not something which can be conferred, rather only acknowledged and protected, at least when talking about law, social contracts and a political candidate's position in regard to such matters. In particular, phrases like "Kerry wants to grant rights to homosexuals" (which I removed altogether) I find to be somewhat sub-NPOV. The position of the GLBT community is not unlike that of women and minorities in previous eras: that they have rights that are not being recognized or equally protected. I suppose a truly neutral phrasing would acknowledge that some people feel that such rights do not exist and thus do not deserve broad legal protections or social recognition. I opted to just remove the most contentious phrase, which was redundant anyway, and to add qualifiers to another phrase to reflect the Jeffersonian POV w.r.t. inalienable rights. - mjb 21:02, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The other day, Kerry was featured in an interview in the Dubuque, Iowa Telegraph Herald newspaper. On abortion, he said, "I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception." "I can't take my Catholic belief, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist," he continued in the interview. "We have separation of church and state in the United States of America." It sounds to me like a bunch of rationalization, that he only said that to mollify the concerns from local Catholics. Wait until he's before a pro-choice group. Then he'll be making it sound like abortion was the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel.
I have said it before, and I will yet say it again. I don't like Bush. I don't like his policies. Bush has flushed this country down the toilet. The economy has been shot to hell. The enviornment is going to hell in a handbasket. We have every Islamic extremist and his brother and sister wishing for the death of every last American on the face of this Earth. That is why I will not vote for Bush in November. But I seriously doubt I could bring myself to vote Kerry either. I'll probably write in my uncle. My uncle has no political experience, and calls em as he sees em. But he would be one million times better for this country than either Bush or Kerry.
And that's a major problem here in the United States. As much as many people dislike Bush and want him out, what kind of choice would Kerry be? I remember during the last election, one of my friends could not bring herself to vote either for Bush or Gore, she seen them as two bad choices. And I think it'll be the same this year too.
Reminds me of that joke. Q. George Bush and John Kerry are on a raft. The raft drowns. Who is saved? A. The country.
Hmm... should there at least be a mention that Kerry is also facing competition from independent Ralph Nader and libertarian Aaron Russo? Rei 17:45, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
True or false: there is a lot of evidence as of July 2004 that Bush will defeat Kerry. 66.245.120.243 13:25, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Nader has a right to run and his name should be on every state ballet.
so why when Clinton did not serve in any miltary the Dems said that was no big deal, but now that Kerry was in Vietnam it is a huge plus for their pov over Bush who was in the nat guards
IIRC the Dems were pretty hot and bother back in 92 and 96 any time the Gop or anyone else tried to compare Clinton um "service" during Vietnam I believe he was defending Oxford in England to GHW Bush and B Dole's service in WW2. Now they have no problem pointing out Kerry served in Nam for 4 months to Bush's N G duty. Bush has ackowledge that Kerry served his country. I just wish the Dem party be a bit more consistent is serving in the miltary important to becoming president they did not think so in 92 and 96 but now sure seem to belive it is
Can we get further information on the views of John Kerry and the plans of his campaign on healthcare? -- Liberlogos 01:56, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
That section is a living contradiction. He's for guns, but he voted for bills that are against them?! — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 06:02, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I deleted a purely partisan statement with a false link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CapAp ( talk • contribs) 08:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Its defintely a side issue, but i've uploaded a logo that I think is more used (the photos that we have both feature this logo heavily). Its not a big deal to me really, feel free to disagree. - Aaron Hill 08:47, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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isnt the ,2004 a tad unneeded, i don't think he's had many... -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 22:16, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)
This bit sounds very POV in the Iraq section
He changed his position on WMDS by saying they were not enough to go to war with Iraq. (Kerry's post-attack view on Iraq) This has harmed Kerry's campaign in the eyes of some because they believe it has made him seem like a "flip-flopper", changing his position to better suit what is popular.
Some would argue that Kerry did not change his position at all, but merely that he shifted the focus of his critisism due to a changing situation with Iraq. Can anyone recommend a rewording? -- Berger 14:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Why are there more words dedicated to "PenGate" than there are to the actual first debate? Does that "incident" really matter? I'm not sure if Kerry's pen or the protrusion from Bush's jacket really deserve much discussion. 68.55.18.42 18:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
don't do it. -- gatoatigrado 19:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Why on earth is this page flagged for deletion, with the reason given as "no longer relevant?" While needing cleanup, I don't see how an article related to something as historically important as the most recent presidential campaign can be no longer relevant. Jrwagner 06:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)jrwagner
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Kerry's Health Care plan is a big part of his election campaign, and there should be at least some information up under "issue stances", probably under a separate section.
Given that Kerry's selected Edwards for his running mate, I've made a few edits to the VP section reflecting that. However, I'm unsure how to proceed with the section in general - how do we want to archive the VP selection process? -- Goobergunch 13:24, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Cecropia, by your argument, any alternative in all of history that was contemplated but wasn't picked would be irrelevant. Isn't that a bit extreme? Rich 00:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
"Kerry opposes the death penalty, but has recently stated that he would support it in the case of convicted terrorists."
Surely that means he supports it? Markalexander100 09:27, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
He voted for a version of the $87 billion appropriations bill that required spending cuts in other areas in order to offset the huge cost, but that version never made it onto the floor of the full Senate. The Bushies are absolutely fanatical about driving the nation further and further into debt, to the point where they won't even consider rolling back their precious tax cuts or cutting some of the fat off bloated defense spending bills. SS451 23:30, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)
Well, he certainly was happy to deal out the death penalty to a fleeing Viet Cong, in the back, so I suppose he would have no problem with the American Death Penalty.
"Kerry has long stated his opposition to the death penalty, but has recently stated that he would support it in the case of convicted terrorists."
I moved this article from Presidential campaign of John Kerry to 2004 presidential campaign of John Kerry to be parallel to the W. page. ( 2004 presidential campaign of George W. Bush -- Seth Ilys 03:45, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
For the sake of grammarians everywhere, please change the title to 2004 presidential campaign of John Kerry. Or, at the very least, change it to John Kerry's presidential campaign of 2004 (which sounds worse, but at least is grammatically correct). The current title does not sound like the creation of a native English speaker. Moncrief 05:23, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)
I seek your input at Wikipedia:WikiProject POTUS Campaigns. Please come weigh in on what to name articles about presidential campaigns. jengod 23:09, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)
Of course, this is an issue which would surely have to be decided by the Supreme Court if it became a reality, but here are a few observations, strictly FYI and for the entertainment value.
Why?
Kerry's grandfather James Grant Forbes was born in Shanghai into the Forbes family of opium traders, but ironically, Sen. Kerry has not publicly repudiated his own family legacy in drug dealing in this campaign, although he has used his Forbes family inheritance to extend his campaign against Gov. Dean in 2003.
Essentially - the opium wealth that has financed Kerry will become a campaign issue just like the accused-ill-gotten bootleg wealth of Kennedys made it a campaign issue in the earlier JFK race. Kerry's 2002 trust inheritance and offshore estates (France; ties to trust that owns Cape Cod islands; etc) will become issues. Is Forbes Kerry tougher on drug dealers than on his own grandfather's fortune? What are his feelings toward Chinese (trade) and vice versa (will they like an Opium dealer scion to head U.S.? Why did he personally attack Bush for vague Noriega connections, and are his own ties to drug trafficking acceptable topic for reporters? All good questions.
We seen the same thing with Bush. His grandfather had Nazi connections, and just about every Democrat has used this to their own political advantage against Bush. But with Kerry, these same Democrats say nothing.
The main thing is that both Democrats and Republicans reek of enough hypocrisy it makes me sick. It reminds me of what Jesus Christ said about the Phairsees of old:
So much of the above verses in the bible could be applied in so many ways to not only Bush, but to John Kerry as well.
(was: Kerry thinks I'm not married??)
This is in the "Gay Rights" entry:
What? Is that true? Is there a citation for that? Legal marriage in the U.S. is a function of the States, not of relgious institutions. Only the State where you are married confers the right to marry--the State sets the requirements and issues the license. The relgious ceremony is optional, and the priest or minister can only marry by the power vested in him by the State.
My wife and I were married in a civil ceremony by our own choice. Wait until I tell my kids we've only been domestic partners for the last 20 years. -- Cecropia 21:54, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Today I made a change to some of the wording in this section, based on the notion that a "right" is inherent/inalienable and is thus not something which can be conferred, rather only acknowledged and protected, at least when talking about law, social contracts and a political candidate's position in regard to such matters. In particular, phrases like "Kerry wants to grant rights to homosexuals" (which I removed altogether) I find to be somewhat sub-NPOV. The position of the GLBT community is not unlike that of women and minorities in previous eras: that they have rights that are not being recognized or equally protected. I suppose a truly neutral phrasing would acknowledge that some people feel that such rights do not exist and thus do not deserve broad legal protections or social recognition. I opted to just remove the most contentious phrase, which was redundant anyway, and to add qualifiers to another phrase to reflect the Jeffersonian POV w.r.t. inalienable rights. - mjb 21:02, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The other day, Kerry was featured in an interview in the Dubuque, Iowa Telegraph Herald newspaper. On abortion, he said, "I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception." "I can't take my Catholic belief, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist," he continued in the interview. "We have separation of church and state in the United States of America." It sounds to me like a bunch of rationalization, that he only said that to mollify the concerns from local Catholics. Wait until he's before a pro-choice group. Then he'll be making it sound like abortion was the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel.
I have said it before, and I will yet say it again. I don't like Bush. I don't like his policies. Bush has flushed this country down the toilet. The economy has been shot to hell. The enviornment is going to hell in a handbasket. We have every Islamic extremist and his brother and sister wishing for the death of every last American on the face of this Earth. That is why I will not vote for Bush in November. But I seriously doubt I could bring myself to vote Kerry either. I'll probably write in my uncle. My uncle has no political experience, and calls em as he sees em. But he would be one million times better for this country than either Bush or Kerry.
And that's a major problem here in the United States. As much as many people dislike Bush and want him out, what kind of choice would Kerry be? I remember during the last election, one of my friends could not bring herself to vote either for Bush or Gore, she seen them as two bad choices. And I think it'll be the same this year too.
Reminds me of that joke. Q. George Bush and John Kerry are on a raft. The raft drowns. Who is saved? A. The country.
Hmm... should there at least be a mention that Kerry is also facing competition from independent Ralph Nader and libertarian Aaron Russo? Rei 17:45, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
True or false: there is a lot of evidence as of July 2004 that Bush will defeat Kerry. 66.245.120.243 13:25, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Nader has a right to run and his name should be on every state ballet.
so why when Clinton did not serve in any miltary the Dems said that was no big deal, but now that Kerry was in Vietnam it is a huge plus for their pov over Bush who was in the nat guards
IIRC the Dems were pretty hot and bother back in 92 and 96 any time the Gop or anyone else tried to compare Clinton um "service" during Vietnam I believe he was defending Oxford in England to GHW Bush and B Dole's service in WW2. Now they have no problem pointing out Kerry served in Nam for 4 months to Bush's N G duty. Bush has ackowledge that Kerry served his country. I just wish the Dem party be a bit more consistent is serving in the miltary important to becoming president they did not think so in 92 and 96 but now sure seem to belive it is
Can we get further information on the views of John Kerry and the plans of his campaign on healthcare? -- Liberlogos 01:56, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
That section is a living contradiction. He's for guns, but he voted for bills that are against them?! — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 06:02, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I deleted a purely partisan statement with a false link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CapAp ( talk • contribs) 08:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Its defintely a side issue, but i've uploaded a logo that I think is more used (the photos that we have both feature this logo heavily). Its not a big deal to me really, feel free to disagree. - Aaron Hill 08:47, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rex071404.
-- mav 05:44, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
isnt the ,2004 a tad unneeded, i don't think he's had many... -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 22:16, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)
This bit sounds very POV in the Iraq section
He changed his position on WMDS by saying they were not enough to go to war with Iraq. (Kerry's post-attack view on Iraq) This has harmed Kerry's campaign in the eyes of some because they believe it has made him seem like a "flip-flopper", changing his position to better suit what is popular.
Some would argue that Kerry did not change his position at all, but merely that he shifted the focus of his critisism due to a changing situation with Iraq. Can anyone recommend a rewording? -- Berger 14:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Why are there more words dedicated to "PenGate" than there are to the actual first debate? Does that "incident" really matter? I'm not sure if Kerry's pen or the protrusion from Bush's jacket really deserve much discussion. 68.55.18.42 18:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
don't do it. -- gatoatigrado 19:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Why on earth is this page flagged for deletion, with the reason given as "no longer relevant?" While needing cleanup, I don't see how an article related to something as historically important as the most recent presidential campaign can be no longer relevant. Jrwagner 06:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)jrwagner
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Image:Kerryad.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 22:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Kerry policy on Iraq is a stubby article without great potential for expansion without creating undue coverage. The subject could be better covered in the Iraq section of this article, so I propose a merge here. -- BDD ( talk) 16:36, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 13:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
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