John Holder (umpire) is currently a Sports good article nominee. Nominated by StickyWicket aka AA ( talk) at 20:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC) An editor has placed this article on hold to allow improvements to be made to satisfy the good article criteria. Recommendations have been left on the review page, and editors have seven days to address these issues. Improvements made in this period will influence the reviewer's decision whether or not to list the article as a good article. Short description: English cricketer and Test umpire

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This review is transcluded from Talk:John Holder (umpire)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: StickeyWicket ( talk · contribs) 20:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski ( talk · contribs) 11:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Links

• What makes the Mumbai Mirror reliable? Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 13:00, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• I looked up its affiliation of when referencing and it is part of The Times Group in India; I couldn't find anything to suggest it is a "mucky" publication. AA ( talk) 20:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• From the looks of it, the majority of this is cited to "test of character", which you've stated is written by one person, but Google Books suggests it was also written by the subject. Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 13:00, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Yes, I thought it odd that online it mentions Holder as a co-author. I wondered if it was AI generated, because the hard copy only cites Murtagh as the sole author. AA ( talk) 20:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Prose

Lede

• in Barbados at Saint George - reorder to in Saint George, Barbados. Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 12:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Done :) AA ( talk) 19:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Lede has a sentence that starts "as of 2024", but the associated source in the body is from 2021, so that's the date you need to use. Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 12:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Amended; sadly, there isn't a source to carry it through to 2024! AA ( talk) 19:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Unless I missed it, the lede doesn't mention that he played professionally on and off after his injury Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 12:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• I have added some detail to the lede. How does that look? AA ( talk) 21:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

General

• Holder shared in a last-wicket stand of 109 - a non-expert is going to have no idea what this means. Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 12:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Changed stand to partnership and linked it to Partnership (cricket); also added "runs" after "109", so the reader can quantify what the 109 is. AA ( talk) 20:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• The BBC had a cricket team?!? Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 12:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• They did indeed. I think they still have a cricket team, though it is somewhat less influential in the London club cricket scene than it used to be. AA ( talk) 20:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• On Christmas Eve, he was overcome with "unbearable" and "agonising" back pain whilst getting out of bed; this pain did not pass, and he was referred by his general practitioner to a specialist, who diagnosed him with an inflamed sacroiliac joint - could we not simplify this to say he was diagnosed with the disease? Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 12:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• I have made that passage of text less wordy :) AA ( talk) 21:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• , having lost a yard or two of pace - casual. Unless this is a quote, just say he felt slower. Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 12:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Done :) AA ( talk) 20:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 11:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  Thanks for your comments Lee. I have addressed these. Please let me know if you would like any further amendments. Cheers :) AA ( talk) 21:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply